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| +Reaver | Jul 9 2007, 10:11 PM Post #1 |
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Psio versus Nick, Psio opens. Three posts, make 'em count. (Psio is using Isadora, Nick is using Hawkeye) |
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| Psiwri | Jul 10 2007, 06:38 AM Post #2 |
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I am here to debate just what it is that we should be most concerned about with such debates... of course serious debating could be done, however the extreme boredom and solidity of character status leaves me to believe that debating just stats is, well, completely retarded and needless. What's actually debateable, when stats and averages, no matter how many times you bring them up, never. fucking. change.? Oh I know, character, personality, and random shit to make things enjoyable and fun! Awwright, let's do that. First and foremost is Hawkeye; he's a noob. Not only is he not covered up for the desert life, he's fucking in a leotard or whateve the shit you call a loin cloth. The blowing sands and the beating sun probably make him look like a cancerous butt monkey in actuality, rather than the pretty face sprite FE puts up so the children aren't frightened. Whats more, he wears armor in every location but the one that counts: his penis. Oh and his torso and head and all that, but more importantly his penis. Not only does he have a death wish and is ugly as Gonzales on a bad day, he doesn't even value his manhood, what a fag. There is no "surfer" dude to Hawkeyek, it's a god damn desert. And his name is a disgrace to the awesomeness that is M*A*S*H. Enough of that though, onto Isadora.  First off: She's smart enough to realize that armor = good when you're fighting a buncha armored enemies with sharp, pointy objects. Second off: She knows how to straichten out Em0s and Gays alike. Look at her supports: Harken, Legault, Renault, Gietz. I mean wow, she's like, the help hotline for FE's problematic d00dz. She finally makes Harken un-emo by their A support, and Legault is totally flirting with her cuz she's hawt. She even has a nice talk with the ever troubled, and ever awesome Renault. Only cool people have supports with Renault, which Hawkeye doesn't have. Hawkeye supports with LOL: Ninian, epic fail right there. Paladins > Berserkers, you know why? It's not the weapon variety, it's not the name, it's not even the damn horsies. It's the shield. Fuck yeah the shield, you know what other classes have shields? Heroes, and Knights, both very dignified titles. Isadora is a knightly hero to all, saving gays by day and emos by night. What's Hawkeye? A freaking berserker, something that runs into a crowd of enemies with barely any armor yelling some battle cry before getting owned by a myrminoob or something. Not dignified, slightly cool, and very suicidal. I think Hawkeye needs an Isadora support so he learns to protect his penis for safe sex. |
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| Nick | Jul 10 2007, 10:49 AM Post #3 |
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I quite agree, old boy. It's all a bit of a bore, what? Actually, chum, I think you'll find that character personalities are just as static as statistics. However, I am in full agreement that these things should also be taken into consideration. Now, now, old fruit, I think you're getting in a bit of a muddle. Firstly, the desert is a jolly hot place, and Hawkeye - quite sensibly - wears only the bare necessities to suit himself to this. The loin cloth makes him look rather primitive, it's true - but why would you attach an internet term to a man who would look very out of place indeed in modern society? You wouldn't, of course. The blowing sands, I would guess, cause him less trouble than they would if he was wearing armour - the advantage of not being decked out in finery is that the sand doesn't get stuck in clothing, doncha know. As for the sun, well, we can only assume that it tans him, and I daresay the sprite portrays that rather well, wouldn't you say? Erm, harrumph, I do believe you're mistaken, old thing. Would you be so kind as to tell me how this picture shows Hawkeye as wearing armour in every location save for his penis? Oh, yes, I quite agree, it doesn't. He wears armour on one arm, and on the lower regions of his legs. His entire masculine torso is unarmoured, though, so I really don't see what you were getting at there, hm? I say, who's Hawkeyek? As for 'Hawkeye' (to whom I assume you were referring), I believe that if you had been observant enough to read the entirety of any description of him that involved the word 'surfer' you would also come across the word 'misplaced'. I say, old man, is that entirely proper? . . . wait one moment. "Whats more, he wears armor in every location but the one that counts" "She's smart enough to realize that armor = good when you're fighting a buncha armored enemies with sharp, pointy objects." Look at these two statements you have made. They seem somewhat contradictory, wouldn't you say? Fortunately, to prevent you getting even more muddled, I corrected you above, so we can assume that the second point was the one you were trying to get across, hm? Do tell me if it's not the case. Now, despite Isadora togging herself up for the occasion, Hawkeye still manages to be more resilient for the entire game, defence-wise! I'm afraid that I must pull in statistics here, but just to show that . . . Hawkeye's base defence: 14.0 Isadora's 20/20 average defence: 11.8 Hawkeye will forever be by far the more resilient of the two in the area of getting attacked with sharp, pointy objects, so I'm afraid that Isadora went to all that bother for nothing. Awfully sad, what? Indeed, she marries Harken. Rather sweet, don't you think? Legault, of course, will be the 'gay' you are referring to. It's a common misconception, good fellow: Legault does state immediately after the offending sentence that he is joking. I do hope you understand what that means. Dearie me, no. That would mean that Lucius is 'cool'. I beg to differ. However, you say Isadora supports with Renault? I think not. If we look at how long it takes for her to manage to get over to him, it's 81 turns. I'm afraid that the quest will have long finished by then, and they will no longer be together. Awfully sorry, old bean, but it just doesn't happen. Psst . . . calling Isadora a 'knightly hero' rather implies that she is a man. If that is the case, would you be so kind as to retract your claim that she 'straightens out gays' as that would, for obvious reasons, be woefully incorrect. Well, given that Hawkeye already has a daughter, I think we can assume that his nether regions are fully intact. Your statement might be seen to make out that Isadora protects her penis, thus implying once more that she is a man - and a gay one at that. Would you please try and stay on a single track for me, it's rather difficult to follow once you start contradicting yourself. Indeed, Hawkeye is a berserker. He is incredibly masculine. He doesn't need to cover every inch of his body in armour to protect himself: his skin is his shield. If someone went for his penis, assuming that it was unprotected, they would find that their blow bounces off because Hawkeye is so manly he can produce a rock-hard erection at will. Very suicidal, you say? I'm afraid I'm going to use more stats, and I'm going to use their bases, as these are the only ones that are guaranteed. Hawkeye (Killer Axe) HP: 50 Def: 14 Res: 10 Avd: 35 Crit Ev: 13 Isadora (Silver Sword/Short Spear) HP: 28 Def: 8 Res: 6 Avd: 38/30 Crit Ev: 10 Hawkeye is better at surviving in every possible way to Isadora - aside from dodging if Isadora is wielding her silver sword, what? So far as living goes, for all her armour and shield and horsie, Isadora is by far inferior to Hawkeye. When you're ready, old lad. |
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| Psiwri | Jul 10 2007, 05:58 PM Post #4 |
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I quite agree, old boy. It's all a bit of a bore, what? What, what? And I wouldn't consider myself old. Your mannerisms of speech confuse me, dude. Actually, chum, I think you'll find that character personalities are just as static as statistics. However, I am in full agreement that these things should also be taken into consideration. Contrarily, I would present to you the idea that personalities are dynamic and moldable to specific situations, much unlike numbers and what not. Now, now, old fruit, I think you're getting in a bit of a muddle. Firstly, the desert is a jolly hot place, and Hawkeye - quite sensibly - wears only the bare necessities to suit himself to this. The loin cloth makes him look rather primitive, it's true - but why would you attach an internet term to a man who would look very out of place indeed in modern society? You wouldn't, of course. The blowing sands, I would guess, cause him less trouble than they would if he was wearing armour - the advantage of not being decked out in finery is that the sand doesn't get stuck in clothing, doncha know. As for the sun, well, we can only assume that it tans him, and I daresay the sprite portrays that rather well, wouldn't you say? Indeed but what it fails to portray is the massive amounts of horrid sun blisters. Radiated skin constantly peeling off his unprotected flesh, quite unsightly. Erm, harrumph, I do believe you're mistaken, old thing. Would you be so kind as to tell me how this picture shows Hawkeye as wearing armour in every location save for his penis? Oh, yes, I quite agree, it doesn't. He wears armour on one arm, and on the lower regions of his legs. His entire masculine torso is unarmoured, though, so I really don't see what you were getting at there, hm? I believe, good sir, that you failed to notice this part of my statement in question; "Oh and his torso and head and all that". You aren't telling me anything I didn't already know or state. I say, who's Hawkeyek? As for 'Hawkeye' (to whom I assume you were referring), I believe that if you had been observant enough to read the entirety of any description of him that involved the word 'surfer' you would also come across the word 'misplaced'. Misplaced you say? Even should he be misplaced, he lacks the surf board, though I assume an axe as large as his might suffice as a custom board... The idea stands however, either he's not a surfer, or mentally incapacitated for being in the wrong spot. I say, old man, is that entirely proper? I would say yes, in both contexts. Rawr. . . . wait one moment. "Whats more, he wears armor in every location but the one that counts" What's more as well, you failed to conceptualize the entirety of my statement, ignoring a vital clause employed immediately afterwards. "She's smart enough to realize that armor = good when you're fighting a buncha armored enemies with sharp, pointy objects." Look at these two statements you have made. They seem somewhat contradictory, wouldn't you say? Fortunately, to prevent you getting even more muddled, I corrected you above, so we can assume that the second point was the one you were trying to get across, hm? Do tell me if it's not the case. So now, they really don't seem that contrary once you grasp the entirety of my wisdom. Now, despite Isadora togging herself up for the occasion, Hawkeye still manages to be more resilient for the entire game, defence-wise! I'm afraid that I must pull in statistics here, but just to show that . . . Hawkeye's base defence: 14.0 Isadora's 20/20 average defence: 11.8 Hawkeye will forever be by far the more resilient of the two in the area of getting attacked with sharp, pointy objects, so I'm afraid that Isadora went to all that bother for nothing. Awfully sad, what? What are these bases, numbers, and averages? I do believe you seem to be pulling these out of your ass, as I've never heard of such terms in the context of a human being. I begin to surmise the possibilities of what you're trying to imply, but alas I can not pin it down. Indeed, she marries Harken. Rather sweet, don't you think? Legault, of course, will be the 'gay' you are referring to. It's a common misconception, good fellow: Legault does state immediately after the offending sentence that he is joking. I do hope you understand what that means. I do, it means that he tries to hide his true gayness through excuses only after commiting the act. I insist that anyone who is more useful as a lower profession, in this case a lowly thief over a well trained assassin, is quite gay indeed. Dearie me, no. That would mean that Lucius is 'cool'. I beg to differ. I would beg to differ the idea that Lucius it NOT cool, from my observations, he is quite the popular character, seen in many a place of entertainment and the object of many a merry joke. However, you say Isadora supports with Renault? I think not. If we look at how long it takes for her to manage to get over to him, it's 81 turns. I'm afraid that the quest will have long finished by then, and they will no longer be together. Awfully sorry, old bean, but it just doesn't happen. What are these turns you speak of? Is real time not a concept you are capable of grasping? There is enough time for two people to have a nice chat I'd say. Psst . . . calling Isadora a 'knightly hero' rather implies that she is a man. If that is the case, would you be so kind as to retract your claim that she 'straightens out gays' as that would, for obvious reasons, be woefully incorrect. It would be woefully incorrect, if the term was explicitly in reference to the masculine sex, which it's not. Well, given that Hawkeye already has a daughter, I think we can assume that his nether regions are fully intact. Your statement might be seen to make out that Isadora protects her penis, thus implying once more that she is a man - and a gay one at that. Would you please try and stay on a single track for me, it's rather difficult to follow once you start contradicting yourself. Indeed, Hawkeye is a berserker. He is incredibly masculine. He doesn't need to cover every inch of his body in armour to protect himself: his skin is his shield. If someone went for his penis, assuming that it was unprotected, they would find that their blow bounces off because Hawkeye is so manly he can produce a rock-hard erection at will. That sounds quite unfavorable to the female gender to me, no one wants that in em. Very suicidal, you say? I'm afraid I'm going to use more stats, and I'm going to use their bases, as these are the only ones that are guaranteed. Hawkeye (Killer Axe) HP: 50 Def: 14 Res: 10 Avd: 35 Crit Ev: 13 Isadora (Silver Sword/Short Spear) HP: 28 Def: 8 Res: 6 Avd: 38/30 Crit Ev: 10 Hawkeye is better at surviving in every possible way to Isadora - aside from dodging if Isadora is wielding her silver sword, what? So far as living goes, for all her armour and shield and horsie, Isadora is by far inferior to Hawkeye. When you're ready, old lad. A sunblistered, bulky, meat-filled man who fails to know the difference between an ocean and a desert is better at surviving? Your claim is suspicious at best. Firstly I would think such a well cooked meat bag quite the tastey treat to the resident carnivores of the desert. Nothing like pre-cooked and ready to devour. Secondly is the pure unsightlyness of his apparal, natural and man made alike. It is simply inconceivable as to how his feeble mind functions. Thirdly, and once again, these numbers being used to describe these people seem to be quite insulting, and quite wrong. Are you by chance a robot? Does your mind only conceptualize things as numbers and nothing else? Perhaps I should tempt you with a few nuts and bolts for food and oil for a beverage? You, sir, are an insult to us all, please visit a trash compactor. |
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| Nick | Jul 11 2007, 07:36 AM Post #5 |
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I say, sir, don't you know what's what, what? Actually, old bean, I think you'll find that as this is a video game, personalities remain constant throughout. If it was real life characters we were discussing, I would agree immediately; unfortunately, it is not. I can't help but wonder where you get all your silly ideas from, m'laddo. There is no evidence to dictate that your ideas are correct, and all the evidence in the world to tell me that they are not (the official artwork, no less). Oh, I say, I'm terribly sorry! Still, you do seem to be contradicting yourself . . . 'every location' 'his torso and all that' Given that 'his torso and all that' makes up the majority of his body, I would say that your claim of 'every location' still looks wildly incorrect. Please affirm which notion you wish to continue to back. Oh, quite, old bean. You see, the legend has it that Hawkeye saw the sand for the first time one day, and going by the principle that where there is a beach there is water, he set off for the sea in the desert. Of course, there was no such place, but instead - being drawn to water - he found a small oasis, and a village full of dragons to boot! Talk about finding a pound and losing a penny, what? He proceeded to become the guardian of the region, such was his power. Oh, I say, you vulgar youths nowadays. Yes, I have to admit I didn't catch that. This was probably because I didn't think it would even be possible for one person to contradict themselves quite as much as you managed to in such a short space of time, eh, what? Well, no, but they do make ANOTHER statement of yours look rather silly, thus rather contradicting the 'entirety' of your wisdom claim (as it is, of course, not entire when it contradicts itself), this being 'every location (aside from the main part of his figure)'. Really, the phrases you youngsters pick up nowadays . . . now, young feller m'lad, what you must understand is that the people we are debating are not actually 'people', as such . . . they are merely characters in a game. If you like, they themselves are made entirely up of numbers - that's how electronics works, doncha know. So, via the internet, I can link you to the pages that I am pulling these statistical averages from. Hawkeye's jolly averages Isadora's averages And there lies the truth behind my claims. Thieves are indeed rather useful. Matthew, that jolly chap, is much more useful as a thief than as an assassin, and yet he had a girlfriend. He was about to ask her to marry him, too. Do you think that makes him 'gay'? No, I didn't think so either. No, no, old chap, you are confusing being popular with being ridiculed. Common miscon . . . oh wait, no it's not. It's just silly. Oh, I know of real time sure enough, old bean, it's just that this game doesn't pass as such. If you look at the top of those stat pages that I linked you to, you'll find how many turns it takes for each support to develop. Funny the way things work out, what?
Dictionary.com: definition #01 You see, the correct term for Isadora is actually heroine. Do you speak from experience, good sir? On the contrary, my claim is backed up by statistics and facts. Well, given that these 'carnivores' are the dragons that dwell there, and that Hawkeye is the guardian of the desert and LIVES IN THE SAME VILLAGE as the dragons, I daresay your claim is incorrect, old lad. And yet function it does. Life goes on, what? Firstly, no, being characters in a game, they cannot feel 'insulted' by us. Secondly, no, I am not a robot. Thirdly, trying to tempt me with food over the internet is nothing but downright stupid no matter the manner of the victuals. Oh, I say, isn't that rather rude? Foul play, sah, deduct two points! |
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| Psiwri | Jul 11 2007, 02:11 PM Post #6 |
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I say, sir, don't you know what's what, what? Not particularly, but I'll what your what if you know what I mean, ya Swanky Brit. Actually, old bean, I think you'll find that as this is a video game, personalities remain constant throughout. If it was real life characters we were discussing, I would agree immediately; unfortunately, it is not. This is a game?! What manner of falsehoods have I been taught? This is an outrage, my outlook on everything thus far may have been only partly in the right. You may be my foe but I thank you for the enlightenment! I can't help but wonder where you get all your silly ideas from, m'laddo. There is no evidence to dictate that your ideas are correct, and all the evidence in the world to tell me that they are not (the official artwork, no less). Use your common sense and mind, you're far too literal dude. Think outside the box, not in such a limited, inflexible view as to fail to see the greater potential in things, like Isadora. Oh, I say, I'm terribly sorry! Still, you do seem to be contradicting yourself . . . 'every location' 'his torso and all that' Given that 'his torso and all that' makes up the majority of his body, I would say that your claim of 'every location' still looks wildly incorrect. Please affirm which notion you wish to continue to back. I do believe there was a miscarriage in our communication over this matter. By saying "his torso and all that" I was saying that they too were NOT protected, as was with this apparently stony phallus. I don't see how you mistook my words in such a manner, twice, but you did. I hope you can understand this better now. We are in agreement as to his level of metallic protection. Oh, quite, old bean. You see, the legend has it that Hawkeye saw the sand for the first time one day, and going by the principle that where there is a beach there is water, he set off for the sea in the desert. Of course, there was no such place, but instead - being drawn to water - he found a small oasis, and a village full of dragons to boot! Talk about finding a pound and losing a penny, what? He proceeded to become the guardian of the region, such was his power. Such was the pity placed upon his fouled mind. It was either give him the job of living alone save for the sole purpose of randomly joining a group of heroes at some point only to get benched shortly there-after. Such is his 'power' of providing heat to a wooden seating device. Oh, I say, you vulgar youths nowadays. You speak such things when defending a man in a loin cloth, and claiming that his penis of inhuman material. Yes, I have to admit I didn't catch that. This was probably because I didn't think it would even be possible for one person to contradict themselves quite as much as you managed to in such a short space of time, eh, what? It's not possible, your thoughts were correct, it was merely your lack of ability to correctly comprehend my words that caused your false belief that it was a contradiction. The fault on this is your's. Well, no, but they do make ANOTHER statement of yours look rather silly, thus rather contradicting the 'entirety' of your wisdom claim (as it is, of course, not entire when it contradicts itself), this being 'every location (aside from the main part of his figure)'. Lol, read previous statements you illiterate bat. Really, the phrases you youngsters pick up nowadays . . . now, young feller m'lad, what you must understand is that the people we are debating are not actually 'people', as such . . . they are merely characters in a game. If you like, they themselves are made entirely up of numbers - that's how electronics works, doncha know. So, via the internet, I can link you to the pages that I am pulling these statistical averages from. Free you miiind maaaan, see things for their intent, not their reality. Closed minded I say, no future for you. Hawkeye's jolly averages Isadora's averages And there lies the truth behind my claims. As I can see, you fail to see the outer potential and only see what is shoved upon your brazen face. But we shall explore that later. Thieves are indeed rather useful. Matthew, that jolly chap, is much more useful as a thief than as an assassin, and yet he had a girlfriend. He was about to ask her to marry him, too. Do you think that makes him 'gay'? No, I didn't think so either. Matthew is a spy, not a thief. Have you not known the men of Ostia properly? No, no, old chap, you are confusing being popular with being ridiculed. Common miscon . . . oh wait, no it's not. It's just silly. No more silly than your claim that a monk with better utility than Hawkeye has, is uncool. Oh, I know of real time sure enough, old bean, it's just that this game doesn't pass as such. If you look at the top of those stat pages that I linked you to, you'll find how many turns it takes for each support to develop. Funny the way things work out, what? I'm surprised you would know, seeing as no one wants Hawkeye's supports.
Dictionary.com: definition #01 A limited mind again! My my what is with your pompous attitude combined with a lack of creative thinking? Unless you are a member of the feminist movement, I would suggest you realize such terms can be used to encompass both genders. In face the feminine form is the more limited of the two. I was speaking of the paladin class as well as of Isadora. Do open your narrow views at some point. You see, the correct term for Isadora is actually heroine. See above, I would rather refrain from causing confusion by insulting her status by calling her a harmful drug. Do you speak from experience, good sir? No more than you do. On the contrary, my claim is backed up by statistics and facts. On the contrary, your stats do not support your claim. Well, given that these 'carnivores' are the dragons that dwell there, and that Hawkeye is the guardian of the desert and LIVES IN THE SAME VILLAGE as the dragons, I daresay your claim is incorrect, old lad. Once more you fail to realize that the common ecosystem contains more than ONE fucking species of animal. I would daresay that your inability to think of full scenarios made you appear inept once more. And yet function it does. Life goes on, what? Functioning and being of use are not one and the same. Firstly, no, being characters in a game, they cannot feel 'insulted' by us. Secondly, no, I am not a robot. Thirdly, trying to tempt me with food over the internet is nothing but downright stupid no matter the manner of the victuals. I'm glad you enjoyed my non-serious jeers so thoroughly, I dare say they were successful even. Oh, I say, isn't that rather rude? Foul play, sah, deduct two points! The only foul play going on is Hawkeye's atrocious odor. Now that my rather 'bold' retorts are over with... As much as the preference to be avoided, I do fear that the ringing up for numerical arguments are at hand. First and foremost I would bring up the matter of supports. Which in this particular match up is the difference between superiority and non existence. Who can, and would, support with Isadora? Harken, for an obvious A support, and B Geitz. Both are good, usable units with a speed stat and powerful attacks (and durability), and they both benefit from Isadora's support boosts. Who can, and would, support with Hawkeye? Ninian, MAYBE. Does Ninian profit from the support? Not really. It's a one sided support and it's only an A. Isadora can easily pull of an A and a B both of which are mutual benefit supports. No one loves Hawkeye, cause the only person who would support him is canonically in love with Eliwood. Pent and Louise you say? They'd sooner triangle support with Erk than Hawky. Let's say all of these supports occur. Who gets what out of it? Let's see, Hawkeye would get some well rounded, and thusly shitty, boosts. +1 attack, +1 defense, +15 hit which needs, 7 evade, 7 crit, and lol 15 crit evade. The attack defense and hit is handy for him, but none of these help his speed. What will Isadora get from her greater support options? +1 attack, +1 defense, +20 hit, +25 evade, +25 crit, and lol +17 crit evade. Better all around due to better affinity match ups and an existent second support. What's more she actually has some fun supports, Legault, Renault, and Geitz come to mind. And ever MORE so, both Geitz AND Harken get hard mode boosts, making them most worthy units to use, both of which are superior to Hawkeye and Isadora's supports give them more evasion and crit just like she gets, that's pretty badass. What's this? Now Isadora has 3 more base crit than Hawkeye, a berserker with 1 weapon, while she has all three at her disposal. A lot of good his class is doing him right now. By the time all these come into effect I'd say their level is about 20/10 or so? Cause they're both sexy pre-promotes so they don't have as much of a leveling problem, and both are usable when you get them. Oh wait, Hawkeye comes as a foot unit on a desert chapter, oops. About all he'll do is visit Fa in a house during that chapter. Well, after that chapter he's certainly useful, if a bit slow with 11 starting speed! Anyway let's see our level 20/10 averages. Isadora; HP 35 STR 16 +1 SKL 15 SPD 21 DEF 10 +1 RES 8 +1 LCK 14 CON 6 MOV 8 Hawkeye; HP 53 STR 20 +1 SKL 16 SPD 13 DEF 15 +1 RES 12 +1 LCK 15 CON 16 MOV 6 8 speed difference, even with axes Isadora would need something with 14 wt to slow her down to Hawkeye's abysmal speed. And normally an iron axe would be used if needed, which causes negligible slow down. Hawkeye will rarely double, and Isadora will nearly always double, stemming his 4 point STR lead by a lot, as his damage per round is probably in fact lower in many cases. How do these stats translate into battle stats (supports included) though? Isadora: 35 HP 17 attack power 57 hit (oftenly 72 due to WTA advantage ability) 19-21 AS (dependent on which commonly used weapon) 11 defense 9 res (77)-81 evade (92-96 due to WTA) 32 crit 31 crit evade Hawkeye: 53 HP 21 attack power 54 hit 13 AS 16 defense 13 res 48 evade 29 crit 30 crit evade Well, Hawkeye certainly has better offensive raw damage power, and better durability. But I do say those speed stats worry me. There's also the fact that Isadora will commonly have, get this, nearly 50 more evasion than Hawkeye, and with this game's enemy hit rates, that's basically the difference between getting and not getting hit. Hawekeye's durabily advantage means very little if Isadora doesn't have to worry about getting hit most of time. Enemies show up in squads of the same weapon type very oftenly, and Isadora can handle all three types. Hawkeye can handle lances, fair against axes, and struggles somewhat with swords offensively. Let's not forget that Isadora has access to lances, which have the best 1-2 range weapons of the melee weapons, giving her for more capability at range. She also has better mobility. Isadora has abysmal CON right? 6 sucks, it truly does. But she only has 1 less aid than Hawkeye, and can move after rescuing, which is another advantage she has aside from ability to not get hit, and higher per-round offense against the majority of enemies. Honestly I don't see where Hawkeye is doing better in any area besides being a wall that takes hits, while Isadora simply evades them. Claim fragility all you want, with 96 WTA evasion she won't be worrying about take a hit or two. That CON can let Hawkeye catch up with the AS difference, but Isadora doesn't even need stronger heavier weapons to out damage all but the most defensive of enemies when compared to Hawkeye the slow.  Harken and Geitz are both fine prepromotes, Harken for reasons that should be obvious, and Geitz for having an actual speed stat as a warrior. (Unlike poor Hawkeye here.) From what I can, at a unit's best potential. Isadora wins over Hawkeye in more areas than she uses, and has one of the most versatile classes and support boosts that compliment her strengths. She has more crit, two changes to crit rather than one, weapon advantages far more often, extremely superior evasion, and more supports that help not only herself but two other good units. Hawkeye has Ninian.  I hope you can find any errors in my assessment, I would hope your skill can do that Nick, I'm sure they exist, but even if they do let it be known that Isadora is the superior unit when all things are taken into consideration. HOLD IT! PICTURE TIME YAY!  Say it with me now, [size=7]Awwwww...[/size]  Geitz is a better bird's nest than Hawkeye will ever be, and he's the one with a bird in his name! 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| Nick | Jul 12 2007, 02:50 PM Post #7 |
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Bags of swank, that's the one. Must be this whole new-fangled 'comprehensive education' thing, what? *switches from brit talk, can't be bothered right now* Well . . . Common sense dictates that if you are given several pictures of a man not covered in blisters, and no pictures of the same man covered in blisters, he is likely not actually to be covered in blisters. See what I'm saying? Well, I ‘mistook’ your words because you did also say something that wholly contradicted that statement. But yeah, it is agreed where Hawkeye wears armour. Learn some grammar, boy. You provide no alternative to the 'give him the job . . . shortly thereafter' option, and thus 'It was either' is incorrect. More to the point, getting benched shortly after joining is better than getting benched IMMEDIATELY upon joining, which is of course what any sensible player would do to Isadora. I never referred to the MATERIAL of his penis . . . merely that he can send a massive surge of blood to it in moments purely through strength of mind. It's your's fault? Leave him alone, he's not that bad. You clearly contradicted yourself; I am more worried that you seem to be unaware of what you say than of the fault apparently belonging to Your. Once again you manage to make an impossible statement: If I was illiterate, it would be totally ridiculous to tell me to 'read' something. Evidently you are unaware of what 'self-contradict' means, because you do it even when you're telling me that you are NOT doing it. Oh, drat, 'fraid it's game over. When it comes down to it, what we are debating is something which has set rules, and is completely static. Relying on statistics and facts is what you need to do in this context. You will get nowhere by thinking "Supports say Karel killed a thousand men by himself, he should be able to clear these 60-or-so enemies without much trouble' because he will just end up dying. There is a massive difference between applying the most sensible viewpoint - what I am doing - and trying to see the wider picture where there is no such thing, which is what you are clearly attempting to do. Well, you know, it's just that his class is thief that gives that misleading impression. Better utility has nothing to do with coolness. Everyone laughing AT Lucius = he gets mocked all the time = he's not cool. Ah, well, you see, maybe this is your problem. You've looked at Isadora but nobody else. I, on the other hand, have looked at many different characters, and so know how supports function. My statement remains the same. One should endeavour to be precise when it is possible, and it is entirely possible, even easy, in this context. It is better to be entirely correct and precise in what you say than to vaguely class someone as something when you could class them as something else that is much more suited to them, wouldn’t you say? Again, you're quite wrong: the drug in question is called 'heroin' and does not have 'e' on the end of the word. I will leave our readers to draw their own conclusions from that. Yes, they do. The fact that you believe otherwise suggests merely that you are incapable of recognising the simple principle that 2 is greater than 1 and so on. Suggest something larger and more dangerous than a dragon that lives in the desert. Once you're done with that, think about this: if Hawkeye can make friends with the largest, most threatening creatures in there, is he REALLY going to be troubled by the lesser carnivores? No, I thought not. Think, dear boy. And yet function was the word that you used. Your point? Oh, they were mildly entertaining. Gawd, you SNIFF your gameboy/computer screen? Weirdo. Oh, god, this next bit looks long and boring. Foremost? You’re already making mistakes. Raw stats alone are FAR more important than supports, as they are what characters depend on for survival. I do hope the rest of this section isn’t as flawed as your opening statement . . . Of course. Oh, wow, they have a speed stat. You got me there. Must-haves. Harken? He’d rather have Lowen or Eliwood than Isadora. Both, in fact, for a neat Hector A Eliwood B Harken A Lowen B Rebecca set-up. Why? Because both give better bonuses for Harken than Isadora, and both are by far superior units. Harken is a stellar unit, and so you will want to give him supports, with other good characters as he is a frontliner - Eliwood and Lowen are up there at the top. Geitz . . . he just won't exist. I'll explain that in a bit.
. . . Heh. How ridiculous are you? Oh yeah, she doesn’t profit aside from gaining 1 def, 7 evade and 15 crit evade. Hey, I know it’s not much. It still helps. It benefits Hawkeye, which is, of course, also useful. Why would you NOT support them? No reason. So Hawkeye has A Ninian right there. No . . . Isadora is rubbish for frontlines, which is where both her supports would be. . . . Who is off with Hector and Harken. O snap, Hawkeye’s got his support. ROFL bullshit right there. Pent is of course having A Louise B Erk. Erk is having A Priscilla B Pent. Now, you’ve made it clear that you want Louise to exist, so I’m going to go along with that. Louise is now lacking a B support. Hawkeye is the obvious answer: he gives her ATK and CRIT, which are very useful to her, and is a fast support. Let’s not, actually, purely because they won’t. Now, Geitz. We have agreed that all of Pent, Erk, Isadora, Hawkeye, Louise, Ninian, Harken, Lowen, Hector and Eliwood will be in use. Well, Lowen and Hector weren't strictly 'agreed' on, but they'll be there anyway. That is 10 people. Other than them, we're going to be using Priscilla, Raven, Guy, Florina, Kent, Sain, Matthew and Oswin DEFINITELY before Geitz is brought into use. Plain and simple: no room for Geitz in this team. Bai bai Isadora's support. Just spotted something worth countering in your massively faulted supports comparison: Hawkeye appears on like, turn 2 or something, and he’s surrounded by your units. You’ll only feasibly be using Florina here as a flyer (it’s WAY too risky to use Heath) and so Hawkeye will actually be level with the rest of your units. He is of massive use, as he has awesome resistance and HP on a chapter that is full of magic users. You can give him a hand axe and he OHKO’s most of them. Such was my skill that I managed to find that the whole thing was one big error. I’m just that good  Now for a much more proper statistical comparison, what? Base levels. Both will have just joined the party, and I very much doubt that Isadora will have managed to gain a level in her starting chapter - unless she's done a good bit of experience stealing, what? So, let's compare the two at base level, with no supports, of course. Hawkeye: ??/04, Killer Axe HP: 50 Atk: 29 Hit: 99 Crit: 52 AS: 11 Def: 14 Res: 10 Avd: 35 Crit Ev: 13 Isadora: ??/01, Silver Sword/Short Spear HP: 28 Atk: 25/21 Hit: 109/89 Crit: 6 AS: 14/10 Def: 8 Res: 6 Avd: 38/30 Crit Ev: 10 Offense: Let me see . . . oh, right, Hawkeye criticals every other hit and no enemy is going to survive a single critical? Not bad. He also does more damage, and has greater AS when Isadora uses the spear. Accuracy is pretty moot, Isadora has either +10 or -10. Yeah, Hawkeye wins by a landslide thanks to his godly critical. Defence: lol 22 points of HP, 6 points of defence, 4 points of resistance. Isadora has a mighty 3 points of evade . . . with her better weapon. Hawkeye wins by miles once more. Base winner: Hawkeye, by a massive way. Not even close. Now, let's move on a little. Stats at ??/10, I'll be nice and assume that somehow, despite being at a lower level and being inferior in combat, Isadora caught up in levels. Hawkeye: ??/10, Steel Axe, C Ninian C Louise (S Axes) HP: 53 Atk: 32 Hit: 119 Crit: 35 AS: 13 Def: 16 Res: 13 Avd: 43 Crit Ev: 22 Isadora: ??/10, Iron Lance HP: 35 Atk: 23 Hit: 117 Crit: 7 AS: 19 Def: 10 Res: 8 Avd: 52 Crit Ev: 14 Items are those that are most comparable price-wise. Offense: Hawkeye's critical win - now meaning that he criticals in 1/3 hits - is still by and large the dominant force here. Oh yeah, he does 9 more damage per hit and is more accurate. BUT ISADORA HAS OMG 6 MOAR AS So? That means, assuming that Isadora doubles 3/3 enemies and Hawkeye doubles 1/3, that (all enemies are assumed to have 10 defence and WT neutral in this scenario) . . . Enemy 1: Isadora doubles, Hawkeye doesn't. Isadora = 24 damage, Hawkeye = 22. Very minor win for Isadora. Enemy 2: Isadora doubles, Hawkeye criticals. Isadora = 24 damage, Hawkeye = 66. Massive win for Hawkeye. Enemy 3: Isadora doubles, Hawkeye doubles. Isadora = 24 damage, Hawkeye = 44 damage. Big win for Hawkeye. Overall, Hawkeye wins. Defence: Isadora has 9 evade as her only win. Hawkeye has 18HP, 6 defence, 5 resistance, and 8 crit evade (lulz). Win for Hawkeye once more. Now endgame, and just for old times' sakes, I'll do them at ??/20. Actually, I always find it very easy to get Hawkeye to ??/20 . . . I never use Isadora so I can't say for her. Hawkeye: ??/20, Killer Axe, A Ninian B Louise (S Axes) HP: 58 Atk: 38 Hit: 142 Crit: 76 AS: 15 Def: 19 Res: 18 Avd: 56 Crit Ev: 39 Isadora: ??/20, Killing Edge (S Swords) HP: 42 Atk: 28 Hit: 127 Crit: 44 AS: 23 Def: 12 Res: 11 Avd: 65 Crit Ev: 19 Offense: Hawkeye wins by 10 on power . . . Hawkeye wins by 15 on hit . . . Hawkeye wins by 32 on critical . . . Isadora wins by 8 on AS. Similar situation to before, really - Isadora's AS lead just doesn't make up for Hawkeye's pure damage output. Defence: 16 more HP + 7 more defence + 7 more resistannce + 20 more crit evade >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9 avoid. Hawkeye wins. At no point in their duration of the quest does Isadora win. Hawkeye ftw. 
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| +Ema Skye | Jul 12 2007, 02:59 PM Post #8 |
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