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| Topic Started: Jul 9 2007, 10:13 PM (215 Views) | |
| +Reaver | Jul 9 2007, 10:13 PM Post #1 |
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| +Santi | Jul 10 2007, 11:56 AM Post #2 |
Da Niggaz Leader
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To start off, Rath:  Pent:  While Rath is  , Pent is
 If I could think of the blackest character in Fire Emblem, it'd be Rath. Forget about Devdan. Rath is a sick mothafucka. He actually does drivebys. He'll run up on some foo and strike him down with the bow. Then he just leaves to go kill another nigga. That's badass. Another thing, Rath is a nomad, meaning he's always on the go. This guy fucks bitches one night and just heads off the next, because dats how he do. And he doesn't pay child support. Actual gameplaywise, Rath is a pretty decent unit. If you're doing Lyn's story, he pretty much owns throughout the whole thing. He's definitely way more useful than Wil right here. He has the movement boost, and is already way stronger than Wil at that point. In Eliwood/Hector's story, he comes back in a bit underleveled, but after like 2 chapters of training he's up to par with everyone else. If you train him good right there, he's actually pretty useful. He'll still have alot of chapters to do his thing, unlike Pent, who comes in at the end. |
   
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| Simon | Jul 10 2007, 06:00 PM Post #3 |
The strongest among you may not wear a crown
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Rath's Asian, not African. 
He has to run? What's the horse for, then? And screw moving at all, Pent can kill a nub 'cross the country with lightning and he doesn't have to spend forever getting good at it. He's just got skillz.
Pent gives orgasms by looking at people. Rath can't top that.
Lyn Mode's irrelevant; Rath can't get more than three levels there, and that's if you're lucky.
He can't get a whole lot of training done without getting killed, though. Here's why: Chapter 22: Rath rejoins. His only real use is sniping wounded Wyverns. Sure, you've got your drivebys, but what kinda real can't pick off a healthy foo?Chapter 23: lol sand and magic and fog = no Rath for j00 Chapter 24: If you're lucky, Rath's at 14/0. His stats then with an Iron Bow: HP: 30.6 Atk: 17.5 Crt: 5.9 AS: 13.5 Avd: 34.1 Def: 7.7 Res: 3.8 He can barely damaged the scattered promoted enemies here (7-8 damage, no double), and the only things he can double are some unpromoted scrubs and Steel Lance Wyverns. The only thing he can 2hko are said Wyverns as well as some Archers, Soldiers, and things other characters were 2hkoing ten chapters ago. He's not anything special, and with his defensive stats, fielding him is suicide. Chapter 25: Well, at least there's a bunch of weighted pegasi, but that's nothing, anyone can kill them. And considering they like Steel Lances, 3-4hko Rath, and come in packs, assigning Rath to them ain't even that wise to begin with. I'll put him at 17/0 by the time Pent joins in Chapter 26. I think that's being nice, too, since he can't get any Exp on the enemy phase yet. No supports, though, because Lyn and Guy both have more desirable options (in Kent/Eliwood/Hector/Florina for the former and Matthew/Priscilla for the latter) and Wil's completely redundant to field with Rath (you admitted yourself earlier that Rath > Wil, so why field either?). Rath - Iron Bow, 17/0 33.0 HP 19.0 Atk 111.0 Hit 6.5 Crt 15.0 AS 38.0 Avd 8.0 Def 4.5 Res 8.0 CEv Pent - Elfire, ??/6, A Louise 33.0 HP 29.5 Atk 154.0 Hit 18.0 Crt 15.0 AS 51.0 Avd 14.0 Def 19.0 Res 21.5 CEv Pent's winning in every single stat lol. And, to top it off, Pent actually has Supports (which means he's helping other members of the team, namely Louise, who is in play for at least this one chapter) and utility (Staves, including Physic, Restore and Barrier - three critical staves in HHM). Rath has nothing but mounted bonuses (which don't stack up to Staves at all) to save him, and while you're likely to have more than one mounted unit on your team, you probably don't have anyone else but Priscilla/Serra with A Staves (and if you do, I'd like to know how, I've been trying to figure that one out myself ;>_>). |
Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
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| +Santi | Jul 10 2007, 09:28 PM Post #4 |
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Da Niggaz Leader
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I didn't say African, I said black. Black as in the persona, . Besides, this is a made up continent.
 Run up as in approach somebody. Example):"What makes you think that I won't run up on you wit da nine?" -50 Cent Learn ebonics, yo. Rath would know.
When hoes even think of Rath, they orgasm. Even when he left them with a baby all alone; he's that rough.
I wasn't even talking about levels here. It's his usefulness. He's definitely a good unit in Lyn's mode, you can't argue that.
Wyverns are some of the most dangerous units there are. And he can crush them, even at a weak level. That is pretty right there.
I'll give you that. He's not a sand nigga
He's still training here, why would you put him on the front lines anyway. A smart way to do it would just finish off the weak ones.
If anyone can kill them, you might as well move them on to bigger fry and let Rath take them, no? Give him another guy down there and he's good. And he gets in more training.
Pent's already promoted at this point, it's not fair to compare them. ._. Rath can do his own things in this chapter, especially with his movement bonus.
Louise? Who even uses her? Why would you want a support with a unit you're probably not even going to use later on? You could just get Rath or a better archer. And with Louise taking up his supports, he can't reach an A support with someone actually good.
Why would you use Pent for staves anyway? If you have Serra or Priscilla, they could already job. If you're gonna use Pent it'd be for attacking. If you left him out with a staff he'd just get killed. Rath can save other units that might be in danger with his higher movement by either rescuing them or finishing the enemy off. Pent can't do that. If you look at their stat caps... Rath: 60 25 28 30 24 23 30 Pent: 60 28 30 26 21 25 30 It's pretty even, with Rath killing Pent in Speed and Defense. Not so bad for a low tier guy. |
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| Simon | Jul 10 2007, 09:48 PM Post #5 |
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The strongest among you may not wear a crown
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I know, I couldn't call him black down here in Louisiana or he'd get lynched by a horde of rednecks. 
Sorry, paler than a ghost. :/
Notice that you said just hoes. Pent does it to everybody, whore or queen, priorly pimped or not. Winner: Pent.
Dorcas is a good unit in Lyn Mode. Think about that, and then try and raise Lyn Mode usefulness as a point in Rath's favor.
Rath can't even 3hko some of them. Wyvern sample: 32 HP, 13 Def, 8 AS Rath at 10/0 deals...8 damage to it. 4hko, and he doesn't double. Not very B|, more like the kid in my avatar kinda B|.
rofl, gotta give you that one, that was funny. b(B|)b
The fact that he's still training when some of your units are promoting goes miles toward emphasizing his lack of usefulness.
Lemme rephrase that, anyone else can take them. Rath actually dies against them without a bodyguard, and if said bodyguard can take them by him/herself anyway, why bother adding Rath?
Realism and choosing the best candidate for the job > fairness. That's true of both FE debating and affirmative action, btw. osnap And what "other things" are you talking about here?
O RLY? Louise is actually usable; she 2hkoes Wyverns in the chapter she joins, and Rath's endgame wins aren't enough to offset that. I'm short on time, so I'll elaborate tomorrow.
Pent's healing is a utility. IE, his primary role is attacking, but he can also heal and use other staves. Your one healer can't handle everything in HHM; that's where Pent and A Staves comes in. Pent also has Bolting for those emergencies; 16 range > 10.
So he'll do better in Link Arena. Good for him! Look at Wallace and Dart's stat caps, while you're at it. They've gotta be good, right? Let's ask Lex Luthor-- WRONG! Rath doesn't hit any of his stat caps by 20/10 or even 20/12, so that's irrelevant. |
Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
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| +Santi | Jul 11 2007, 12:00 PM Post #6 |
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Da Niggaz Leader
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Again, not literally hoes. Hoes is a term to just define girls. A hoe could be any woman, even the queen of england(assuming she was hot). Rath can pull all dem hoes. Pent is married lawl, no fun for him. I think the winner is clear here.
So? I'm still talking about Lyn's Mode. He is useful in Lyn's Mode, you can't argue that. The other modes are a different story.
The thing is, those wyverns are pretty strong. Even some of the big guys can't completely finish them off. Rath can go in for the easy kill after them, getting a shitload of experience and getting even stronger. After a bit of training, he'll be able to rape any wyvern, some of the hardest units to deal with.
He may still be training, but if you actually do train him right, he can be a better unit than his counterparts by the end of the game. He'll be useful later on when he can kill the enemies that some of your already promoted people can't defeat.
I can't remember ever sending solely on person down there to take down all the pegasi by himself. That'd be suicide. Even a strong unit would need backup.
Being straight up nigga and owning muddafuckas. No, but using his movement to go around and attack others. That is a big chapter.
Those same wyverns will fuck her up just as easily.
Still, with so many units, he could easily be wide open if you were to use his staves. It'd be just like having another defenseless healer out there if you used him for that. And you can only use Bolting five times, and that runs out really quick. Rath won't run out so easily. In conlusion...Rath is the baddest mosthafucka in the game, thank you, goodnight |
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| Simon | Jul 11 2007, 08:51 PM Post #7 |
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You remember what happened to the last guy who called a bunch of women hoes, right? (Hint: This guy's first name rhymes with "on.") And since when did marriage stop people these days?
lol, k, so he'd good in Lyn Mode. That's not worth anything.
Any trained up magic user can (Lucius, Erk, Canas, promoted Priscilla/Serra), as well as Hector, Lancereaver/Wyrmslayer Raven, Oswin (maybe, he might not double depending on how much they're weighted down)...the list goes on. Rath pales in comparison to pretty much anyone worth using in HHM here, since he's just too underlevelled. He's also a thorn in ranks' side; he takes a while to catch up (hurting Tactics), and he can't counterattack on the enemy phase if he's attacked (hurting Combat).
No, he won't. 28 Attack and 22 AS isn't impressive, since he can't 2hko anything he doubles except scrub magic users...who aren't even very scrubbish to him, since they'll always counterattack and hit him hard in his weak point: Res. Oh, and unpromoted enemies, but no one cares about them.
Oswin/Hector/Lowen? All three have Axes at that point along with decent Defense, high HP, and the ability to take advantage of the forests nearby for decent Avoid.
Except that, at 17/0, he's still having trouble going solo since almost everything has a chance to attack him with impunity. He doesn't have any supports at all, let alone with high-move people, so he can't even fall back on that. Sure, you can send another unit with him, but most of said other units can simply do the same job without Rath as a liability.
Louise, A Pent: 28 HP, 77.5 Avoid, 13 Defense (lol forests) Rath: 33 HP, 58 Avoid, 9 Defense Not nearly "just as easily." Those Wyverns have about 5-10 Hit tops on her, whereas they're encroaching on the 30 Hit mark on Rath. Louise wins pretty easily there. Offensively? Louise, A Pent: 39.5 Attack, 17 AS Rath: 25 Attack, 15 AS Rath can double the weighted down ones, but he can't DA some Iron Lances and he can't 2hko at all. Louise, meanwhile...well, just look. She DAes all of them and 2hkoes all of them. So no, they don't fuck her up just as easily. Besides, that's Pent's job to fuck her up, not theirs. 
Using Staves doesn't mean you can't counterattack with Elfire/Thunder. I don't see where you're getting that from. True, Bolting does run out...but by then you have Warp/Rescue, which work even better because they have better range, don't require Pent to rush into the thick of battle (well, Rescue doesn't), and they give him sexy EXP gains to boot. Considering when you get those, Bolting's 5 charges is ample (lol 1 chapter later). Oh, and Louise > Rath. I should only have to compare at one point, Rath's best (the endgame): Louise - ??/13, A Pent B Erk (contrary to popular belief, two good Sages is *not* a bad thing), Silver Bow 33.4 Hp 31.1 Attack 140.2 Hit 31.3 Critical 20.6 Attack Speed 72.4 Avoid 15.8 Defense 19.7 Resistance 31.2 Critical Evasion What an offensive monster. 31 Critical means that her odds of criticalling on a DA are 52.39%. That's once every two attacks, and a critical like that guarantees a kill. With a critical she kills most any non-General enemy; without, she still manages to get magic users ('cept for Valkyries), other Snipers, and anything that attacks her at range on its turn. She 3hkoes anything she can't 2hko. Rath - 20/9, Silver <weapon> 44.8 Hp 33.5 Attack 128.45 Hit 14.2 Critical 21.5 Attack Speed 54.3 Avoid 12.1 Defense 10.2 Resistance 11.3 Critical Evasion Louise wins offense due to massive critical (2.4 Atk < 16.9 Critical) and defense due to massive avoid and better concrete statistics (17.9 Avoid + 3.7 Defense + 5.6 Resistance > 11.4 HP). WTA against axe users means that Rath wins against them...and only them, and if he's got a sword out against a lancer he's dead (y helo ~33 Avoid and 5 Defense). Rath can counterattack and has mounted bonuses...but they're not worth much; he can't frontline very well (although, granted, he does so better than Louise), so even though he is doing better than Louise, he's not doing good, which means the value of him being able to perform such a function drops substantially. Mounted bonuses allow him to rescue and move after action; these are minor, though, and certainly can't beat Louise's statistical lead. Then you factor in the other things Louise does - saves 10kG in Funds, doesn't require a tenth of Rath's babying - and the little bit that Rath has going for him (flimsy range 1 counterattack, mounted bonuses) are essentially nullified. I'm not comparing the rest; it's obvious Louise wins before this point because Rath's growths are better than hers are, meaning that Rath gets better faster than Louise does and thus that Louise beat Rath by a larger margin prior to this point. Therefore, Louise > Rath, so if Rath is justifiable on a team, then Louise certainly is, and therefore Pent gets full supports. Now, for the real comparison: Rath v Pent, endgame. It's the same case as before; Rath is obviously at his best against Pent in the end, so an endgame comparison alone should suffice. Rath - 20/9, Silver <weapon> 44.8 Hp 33.5 Attack 128.45 Hit 14.2 Critical 21.5 Attack Speed 54.3 Avoid 12.1 Defense 10.2 Resistance 11.3 Critical Evasion Pent - ??/14, Thunder, A Louise B Erk 37.0 Hp 29.9 Atk 155.2 Hit 28.8 Critical 20.2 Attack Speed 75.1 Avoid 18.4 Defense 23.8 Resistance 34.7 Critical Evasion Pent wins offense even easier than Louise; he's got much better critical like Louise did, only this time the Attack is balanced by a huge Def/Res gap on most generics. Rath has better offense against magic users, but that's it; Pent wins everywhere else. Defensively, Pent destroys Rath; Pent is better in literally every single defensive parameter except HP, and 7.8 HP ain't making up for all the other losses. As far as other stuff goes, better counterattacking > mounted bonuses...and Staves combined with no promotion cost and no underlevelling worries on top of that puts a boulder so big in front of Rath's tomb that Jesus might have trouble moving it. Pent >>> Rath. In conclusion, Rath may be the Ghidori (sp?) of this game, but Pent's the Godzilla. 
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| +Ema Skye | Jul 11 2007, 08:56 PM Post #8 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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