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Topic Started: Jul 15 2007, 09:56 AM (2,393 Views)
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Wtf is she healing, dude? She can't heal HP every single turn. I've never had Serra pass level 7 without Lundgren abuse.
What numbers? You never showed numbers that proved: A] player units don't take damage and B] Serra is physically unable to heal every single turn. Those would stop Serra from healing, therefore not reaching level 7 at the least, and I didn't seem them anywhere in your posts.

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I still don't understand how Lyn so easily dies. I've played this game so many times, used Lyn every time, and I've never found her to be too frail. Enemies in this game don't have the Hit of FE 9 enemies or the Atk of FE 6 enemies. They're pretty...bleh.
You never proved that Lyn can survive well. Also, explain how this counters:

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Too bad C Florina gives her no durability. Lucius is getting defensive bonuses faster than Lyn is.
Lyn crushing in durability? She has a 2 def lead which is actually 0-1 when you factor in supports, and that's it. The avoid is laughably unreliable, so it's nearly worthless. It helps against Steel Axes, and that's it. And on the flipside, her defense drops by 1 vs lances.
Now on to Lucius's advantages that you conveniently neglected to include: A 10 res lead giving him a massive win vs magic, and not taking counterattacks, which gives him a clear win in durabiliy. Lyn can only take 1-2 hits without dying in the first place, and then one of those goes away from the counterattack. That's pretty phail.
Lucius beats Lyn in durability.
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Lack of enough turns to even do so was mentioned.
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Next, Serra is getting way more than "a couple of levels" in Lyn mode. Without Lundgren abuse, if you're S-ing LHM, she can get to level 9 by the end of it. With Lundgren abuse, she'll reach at least level 11, possibly 12. If that seems high to you, realize that she's getting two heals on turns that Nils refreshes her, which is going to be almost every time since there's rarely ever a need to refresh an attacker: enemy density is so low in LHM that you have way more than enough units to kill all the ones in range every turn and usually even still have units left over who have nothing to attack, so refreshing an attacker would be pointless. You get nothing out of it. Whereas refreshing your healer gets you more exp. It helps Serra without negative effects on anyone else. There may be a turn or two in chapters 8 and/or 9 that refreshing an attacker would help, but that's it.

Now, since you apparently got Nils to lv 7, Serra would be lv 11-12 when she rejoins in ch 12, and lv 14-15 by the time Kent joins.
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That point was contested by me. There's not always HP to heal due to low enemy density. -.-

Anyways, why are you posting in here? No, don't answer. This topic is for judges and for voting.

No moar derailing plz.
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I agree. Quibbling won't do any good. If one point really determined the vote in your eyes, then read the match again; it was a mix of different things that decided the match for me.
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I'm going to have to vote for Crysta. Sentenal clearly underestimated Crysta, sandbagged, and tried to bullshit her and overhype Hector's defensive parameters. She showed how Kent's Evd made up for it and his huge level lead once Hector is stuck 20/0 for a while. Also, she successfully proved that Kent had much more offense, imo.

If Crysta had brought up Hector's phailureness for the Experience rank when he's stuck at 20/0 and hyped up how high his SUK stat in Cog of Destiny was, it wouldn't have even been close.
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I'm not an official judge iirc but can I vote anyway?
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Oct 12 2007, 03:30 PM
I'm not an official judge iirc but can I vote anyway?

Yes. You qualify now for sure.
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I was leaning towards Sentenal throughout the debate, and then I leaned towards Crysta towards the last post, but since last posts go uncountered...

Yeah, Sentenal.
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Couple of thoughts:
- I was kind of halfway expecting for Kent to get hammered on for not having a sexcellent B support. I personally think Fiora is good enough, but Lyn has some very great cons against her and isn't even that easy to keep with Kent. Then again the only time Lyn was mentioned properly as a support was in the last and therefore uncountered post. God Lyn sucks so much.
- I felt Sentenal was overrelying on the Brave Axe sometimes.

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Crysta: 18.2 x 2 is indeed more than 23.5. In instances in which Kent is doubling and Hector is not, unless the axe has 12.9 more strength than the lance Kent is carrying, he's doing more damage. It's that particular offensive lead that you're attacking in the above arguments, after all.

Sentenal: And if Hector uses a Brave Axe? That turns into 23.5x2 (assuming Hector doesn't double normally. You see where Hector's CON advantage actually comes in handy? You won't use the Brave Axe all the time, granted, but against an enemy Hector wouldn't normally double, you use it. And with next to no draw back. As said before, Kent loses 5 AS from a Brave Axe.


- I was surprised I never saw "Kent can use heavier weapons to get slower and often still double, but Hector can never get faster"

Atm I am leaning towards Crysta and I doubt it's changing. Srry Sent :(
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Oct 12 2007, 03:16 PM
I'm going to have to vote for Crysta. Sentenal clearly underestimated Crysta, sandbagged, and tried to bullshit her and overhype Hector's defensive parameters. She showed how Kent's Evd made up for it and his huge level lead once Hector is stuck 20/0 for a while. Also, she successfully proved that Kent had much more offense, imo.

If Crysta had brought up Hector's phailureness for the Experience rank when he's stuck at 20/0 and hyped up how high his SUK stat in Cog of Destiny was, it wouldn't have even been close.

Uhhhh, I wasn't sandbagging or underestimating, or anything. I was trying to win with an inferior unit.
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Need moar votes plz.
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Marcus asked me to read and vote on Sent vs Crysta. So, I did.

Voting for Sent. I feel like he did a good job proving that Hector = Kent in offense, or at least that Kent's win there is minor and only against certain enemies, while Crysta never did anything to counter Hector's clear durability lead.
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Lol, I wouldn't say she did nothing about durability since she argued the level lead and Evd wins, but okay. I think Crysta lacked in durability arguements and Sentenal lacked in offense arguements. =/

Well, it's 2-2... We need another judge, preferably of the elite level considering how close this is. I wish CATS was around. Reikken, can you vote?
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Sentenal lacked in offense arguements.


Not really. He said that once Hector starts doubling due to low enemy AS, Kent's advantage in offense mostly disappears.
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