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| CATS vs Reaver; Karla vs Renault | |
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| C475_1337 | Jul 20 2007, 01:51 PM Post #1 |
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3 posts each Karla (CATS) vs. Renault (Reaver) 100% HHM Imma open |
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| C475_1337 | Jul 20 2007, 02:44 PM Post #2 |
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![]() Yes. Hawt = good. Need more of this. Not only is she sexy, but she's also a badass. You can tell just by looking at her stance in that pic. She's about to slice some motherfucker's head off. And showing alot of leg while doing it. Instant win. If you need more proof of why Karla must be a badass: ![]() This is her brother. The biggest badass in all of FE7. If you know anything about him, you know Karel killed his entire family, just cause they were crampin' his style. Except, of course, for Karla. One of the great questions of FE history: Why did he leave her alive? Perhaps he couldn't bring himself to destroy such beauty, knowing she'd grow into the sex goddess you see in the picture above. Or perhaps she managed to hide in a closet or something. Or maybe Karel simply decided to show, for the first and last time in his life, mercy. All of those sound reasonable, and you may want to believe them, but, the easy explanations aren't true. The real story is brutal, but simple: Karel went after his sister, alright. And when he did, she beat the hell out of him even though he was armed and she wasn't, then grabbed his sword out of his hands, used it to sever his manhood, taunted him about how he had just gotten beat up by a seven-year-old girl, kicked him for good measure, and then left him to rot. This is the actual reason for Karel's insanity, though he has never admitted it. Karla lived with Karel, and not only survived, but actually pwnt his ass. She owned the biggest BA evar at the age of SEVEN. Now she's liek twenty-something, imagine how much worse it would be for some random noob like Renault who decided to get in her way. Karla is the like the female version of Rick Astley, she does whatever the hell she wants and no one can do anything about it. ![]() :angry: No. Don't want old men. Sry but I'm straight. GTFO Renault. If you know anything about Renault's backstory, you know Nergal killed his best friend. And Renault didn't do shit to save his friend. Wow. What a pansy. Plz die, Renault. You're not even fit to lick the soles of Karla's shoes. No, scratch that, you're not even fit to look at her. Being in the same army as her, where Renault might get a chance to ogle her = instant phail. Renault needs to die. http://rpgdl.com/FE.php?character=Karla http://rpgdl.com/FE.php?character=Renault As you can see, Renault is extremely wimpy. Karla has more Pow than Renault 11 levels below him. ![]() Not that I would expect much better from a feeble old man. Anyway, for in game stuffs: Karla joins a good deal below the rest of your team. Thus she can be used to pad the Exp Rank. She comes with a Wo Dao and doesn't need a promo item, so you can buy alot of Silver Swords for her in Battle Preparations and she pretty much pays for them herself. Then you can have her kill those promoted enemies in VoD and Light for huge Exp, while all your other d00dz who are at 20/15 or something aren't getting that much anymore. Exp is a damned bitch to get 5 stars in, so helping with that is pretty nice. Renault is actually likely on a higher level than everyone else when he joins, so he's sure as hell not helping Exp. His fighting sucks alot too so there's no reason to use him. Karla's fighting admittedly sucks also, but atleast she's good for something. Renault has no use. Screw him. Sexy Badass Female Counterpart to Rick Astley that Helps Exp Rank >>> Feeble Senile Pansy With No Backbone that Doesn't Do Jack Shit I rest my case. |
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| +Reaver | Jul 20 2007, 03:13 PM Post #3 |
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Karla only aids the EXP and boner rank, but I like the picture myself. Karel, badass? More like emo, he just wants to be WAAAAAAH and cut everyone and himself, which is clearly seen by his haircut. Classic Emo Haircut. Karel's haircut. The most common emo haircut, part to one side. Looks like someone secretly wears women's underpants, slitting their wrists, and rocking the eyeshadow way too much (as seen in the image too). I think Karel didn't kill Karla because he wouldn't be able to steal her makeup if she was dead. If you call badass wanting to kill yourself every day and trying to be like Pete Wentz, more like biggest pussy. Karla owned Karel, someone that you don't even get in the game because he's not nearly as BA as Harken. Also, where is Karla in FE6? I see Karel, I guess he grew a pair and put his bitch on a leash. ![]() lolwut. Renault tried to save his friend by aiding Nergal, L2backstory noob. Way too good. Also, Renault fucking donkeypunches Karla's husband, Bartre. Badass, being able to suckerpunch a unit that's got a solid 6 CON lead on him without being hit back because he's so damn powerful? BAMF right there. You want to know why Wallace is a bald? Renault likes his pussies shaved. Back when Wallace was actually talented, Renault just fucking dominated him. Another 6 CON lead on Renault, this dude will kick the fucking shit out of you and no one will suspect a thing, that's how badass he is. MAG =/= STR, Renault OHKO'd Bartre and kicks the shit out of Wallace daily, don't fuck with this guy's STR stat. ![]() Renault is better, earlier he decides he's too damn badass for your party and decides to knock up more hoes, but he gives you the parting gift of a Goddess Icon so that Pansywood might actually get lucky and have Roy. lolplotmovement. Renault also comes with a jacked staff level and the fortify staff, Renault is badass enough to heal everyone's wounds at the same time. Also, why would I use Karla to boost the EXP rank when I can use Hector and Eliwood, both who would spitroat Karla if they had the chance and both of which are the only motherfuckers badass enough to deal considerable damage to the dragon. Renault is also ill enough to be able to DA most enemies, because he's a muthafuckin badass, and Karla can't even begin to touch so many enemies she needs to double. F- and B7 for Karla, hello Renault and his amazing ranged healing. Healing is useful, coming with a Fortify Staff and being able to use it (something only Priscilla and [maybe] Pent would be able to do, Serra won't be used) is damn talented for your team, especially when he doesn't steal their EXP like Karla does. Sexy Female who drags Karel by the balls (lol nothing special) that helps EXP rank by stealing EXP from units you'll need on Light <<< BAMF and Donkeypuncher Renault who can heal. |
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| C475_1337 | Jul 20 2007, 04:08 PM Post #4 |
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How many emo kids have a long mane of hair which sweeps down to the backs of their knees? That’s right, none. That’s because none of them are frelling insane like Karel. Nice try, though.
WTF? This sentence caused me to rofl. Alright, first, Karla doesn’t use makeup, son. She’s a Sacaen woman, she don’t need no makeup to make men happy. Makeup is for prisses like Serra. Second, the only makeup Karel uses is the blood of his enemies. Third, what in the world makes you think Karla would let Karel steal ANYTHING from her? So you’re wrong on many counts. But, you at least get points for making me laugh, I suppose
The reason you get Harken instead of Karel is this: Karel was frightened to join an army that had Karla in it, the only person that ever beat his ass, so he found Harken, whipped him in a fight, then forced Harken at swordpoint to agree to join the army in his stead. Wanting to kill yourself every day? ROFL. Karel kills other people, not himself. If you need *still* more evidence that Karel is awesome, look at this: KAREL/DART C RANK CC094 KAREL: ...... DART: What do you want!? Are you trying to start a fight!? KAREL: You smell like...like the sea... Are you a sailor? DART: What's it to you? I am Dart, feared member of Fargus's pirate crews! Know my name, and fear my blade, mate! KAREL: ...... I just wanted to ask you one thing. DART: Huh? I thought you wanted to fight... KAREL: Tell me... Who is the strongest warrior on Elibe? DART: That's easy! You'll find no one tougher than Fargus's pirates! KAREL: At sea, perhaps. But who is the strongest on land? DART: Hey! I don't much like the tone of your voice! But fine, I'll tell you. If you can afford it... KAREL: Take what you want... DART: Ha! Woo-hoo! Well, well, I'm starting to like you more already! Now then, let's see... I've heard rumors in many a port town. You'll have to confirm them yourself. KAREL: Spit it out. DART: Well, it's like this... Out on the Western Isles, there's a stone giant that men call Kelles. He's thrice the size of the tallest man, and he can swallow you whole, from your head to your-- KAREL: He's dead. DART: Huh? Really? KAREL: Yeah. DART: ...Seems like I heard about him only recently. You must get news quickly. KAREL: ...Next. DART: Wait...I just remembered... There's a mage in Ilia who has the power to freeze your blood in its veins. He found an ancient ice tome that-- KAREL: Yeah, he's dead, too. About a month ago. DART: I... Well, that's... Are you serious? How could you know that? KAREL: ...Next. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ STORY RANK: -- COMEDIC VALUE: -- OVERALL RANK: -- COMMENTS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KAREL/DART B RANK CC094 DART: Hey, it's you again! KAREL: ...... DART: You wanted to know about the strongest warriors in the land, right? KAREL: I did, and still do. But those whom I have met did not strike me as being very strong at all. DART: Well, I remembered a bunch more. 'Cause you know, I felt like I hadn't given you your money's worth. KAREL: Out with it. DART: But hold on. I was hoping you could help me out, too. I am looking for a certain treasure in Elibe. If you know anything, please tell me. KAREL: I'll tell you what I know. DART: All right then, you've got a deal. Have you ever heard of the Princess of Swords? KAREL: No. DART: Really? Well, she's supposed to be gorgeous. She appears at tournaments and slices through her foes with ease. Then she just disappears. From what I've heard, she's looking for a man from her past. KAREL: Hmm... DART: Speaking of women, let me tell you about the Wyvern General. You know about the three Wyvern Generals in Bern, right? Well, she's a fourth, and she's mightier than the other three! KAREL: Hmm... Interesting. I will remember her. DART: Now it's my turn! So you've traveled all over Elibe, right? Have you ever heard of the treasure of the pirate king? KAREL: No. DART: One word!? You call that an answer!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ STORY RANK: -- COMEDIC VALUE: -- OVERALL RANK: -- COMMENTS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KAREL/DART A RANK CC094 DART: Hey there you are! I forgot one! KAREL: What is it? DART: You know, what we were talking about? The tough guys! Well, I forgot one, but now I've remembered it! KAREL: Spit it out. DART: I hear about this guy wherever I go! He uses a fairy sword and cuts people in half! He leaves behind only a mountain of bodies and a sea of blood. He is the "Sword Demon," who live only to kill! And his name is... Karel! KAREL: ...Sword Demon? DART: Yeah. You only hear the absolute worst things about him... Like how he single-handedly wiped out an entire army of knights! Yeah, but it's gotta be a myth... One against a thousand? That sounds like a tall tale to me, mate... KAREL: ...... DART: How 'bout it? You're pretty good, but there's always someone better, right? Why don't you try acting all big after you've beaten him? KAREL: I apologize, but I cannot duel myself. DART: Hunh...? You're joking... No way... So you're the... You're THAT Karel?! KAREL: I am only one Karel, but that is my name. DART: Well, pucker my portside! Why didn't you say so? KAREL: You didn't ask. DART: So if you're Karel, then... Hey! Do you really have a thousand swords from the men you've slain? KAREL: ...What are you talking about? DART: Don't hide it! I heard all about it! That you laugh on the battlefield as you gather dead mens' swords! KAREL: ...... I guess the rumors have embellished the truth...
Karla’s not in FE6 because by that point, 20 years later, she was getting tired of Elibe, and so she moved on to the next dimension/world/whatever. Yes, next dimension, because when she shows enough skin, she is able to produce enough sheer w1n to rip apart the fabric of time and space itself at will. She faked her own death so Bartre wouldn’t have to know the truth, that she left him simply because he was starting to bore her. Karel? Karel’s still in Elibe because he’s not awesome enough to do the same thing. Duh. Srsly, man, you should’ve known this one……
He knocked Bartre out because at that point Bartre was a weak little loser, due to the fact that he hadn’t yet married Karla. After his association with Karla, Bartre and Karel were tied for second most awesome beings in Elibe, beaten only by Rick Astley, who soon followed Karla’s example and left, leaving Bartre and Karel to be the most awesome beings in Elibe. So, for an old man, Renault is indeed pretty BA. You've convinced me that he's more BA than your average feeble old man. But that's not saying much, is it? On the other hand, Karla’s husband and brother are the most awesome d00dz around, so what does that say of Karla herself? It says that she’s not even in the same universe as Renault (a few years after FE7, that becomes quite literally true). gg Renault.
If his Str stat is so high, why is wasting time trying to kill things with that little staff of his, when he could just be bashing skulls in? Oh, that’s right. Because his Str stat isn’t actually that high. He’s an old man now, he’s not strong anymore. If he arm wrestled with Karla, his arm would snap in half almost instantly.
And Karla gives jU an Elysian Whip, which Hector uses to tame those Peg sisters so one of them can bear Lilina. Yawn, been there, done that.
Nahhhhhhhh. You’re about guaranteed to have Priscilla, Pent and Athos for that already, and probably Erk or Lucius or someone like that as well. Renault’s going to fork over that Fortify staff to Athos, seeing as how Athos has over twice as much range with it. Renault’s staff use is totally unnecessary, especially in Light, where you only face 1 or 2 enemies at a time, thus you only need to heal 1 or 2 units at a time at max, and you already have 3-4 healers without Renault, and they’re all better at it than him. Fortify is rly good for the Dragon fight, but once again, it’ll be Athos using it, not Renault.
Da hell you talkin’ bout, son? Hector’s not underlevelled anymore after his personal chapter, so you can’t use him to pad Exp by this point, and Eliwood won’t be underlevelled either since he promotes well before that. No, Karla is the only one who can pad Exp this late in the game, except for Matthew (who costs 50K in order to do it; no thanks) and Nino (whose fighting sucks even more than Renault or Karla’s; also no thanks).
Karla is easily LvL 10 at least by the time you manage to recruit Renault like halfway through VoD, so she actually has a point of Spd on him and is thus probably doubling a couple enemies he can’t (there’s two Heroes with 17 AS).
What do you mean, “maybe” Pent? There’s no “maybe” about it. Pent is guaranteed to join with an A Rank in Staves. Even if you don’t use him, his base Mag is higher than Renault’s 20/20 Mag even if Renault gains a point of Mag on every single level up. So you’re guaranteed to always have someone who makes better use of the Fortify than Renault. Then next chapter you get Athos with his guaranteed 30 Mag. |
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| +Reaver | Jul 20 2007, 07:11 PM Post #5 |
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Sanity? Who cares, Karel is still emo.
![]() The fact Karel is stealing her eyeliner makes me think Karla is letting her big brother steal her makeup. How cute, emo crybaby Karel's mascara is running! I don't think so, as Harken puts his foot in Karel's ass. Harken DAs Karel with the Brave Sword, outdamages him with higher STR, and his Hard Mode Boosts allow him to kick Karel's sorry ass, Karel just wanted to see Fall OUt Boy and jack off to Pete Wentz. So a drunken pirate fears having WTD. Whoopee! Karel is a gay emo stalker, observe: Geitz/Karel A Support GEITZ: Hey, Karel! Karel! I know you're here somehwere! Hey! Come on out! ...Please! KAREL: ...... GEITZ: You've been following me, haven't you? If you're nearby, just say so! It's creepy! KAREL: So then... You noticed. GEITZ: Of course I did! I got goose bumps! KAREL: I've been watching you. Watching you fight. You have natural gifts, honed well in battle. Your sword arm is much improved. GEITZ: Yeah, so what!? Stop being so weird! You sneak up on me like death itself and... Wait... You're not trying to ambush me, are you? KAREL: Pfah... GEITZ: Give me a straight answer! "Pfah" is not good enough! KAREL: Pfeh... Poor Geitz, he's going to try and ambush your bunghole. Better punch him the face or else he'll try to slip you a roofie and make you bleed from your ass with his emo STDs. Karel also proves to Lucius that he is emo:Karel/Lucius A KAREL: Lucius. LUCIUS: Karel... KAREL: ...You are not a fool. And you are weak That is why I do not need to kill you. LUCIUS: ...... KAREL: Perhaps that also is why... When I am near you, I feel...calm. LUCIUS: ...You look tired. KAREL: ...What? LUCIUS: You face seems pallid, drawn, and worn. It looks unhealthy. KAREL: Perhaps...I am... tired. When I fight, my entire body is filled with a hunger I cannot suppress. ...I have never had the luxury even to imagine fatigue... LUCIUS: I don't care about your fighting. I cannot change the way you live. Nor would I. We both follow our beliefs. KAREL: ...... LUCIUS: I don't know why you believe this killing is your destiny, but I pray that you will someday know peace. KAREL: I want...to sleep. If only for a while... LUCIUS: Rest now... lol emo, "I can't be tired because I'm an impure being and I want to die". Luckily Lucius wants him to sleep for another reason. Yeah, Karel totally isn't a gay emo who doesn't cut himself with his Fairy Knife (Wo Dao).[/sarcasm] Karla's not in FE6 because she sucks. Rick Astley wouldn't leave Elibe, you've listened to his song how he'll never let you down or leave you. Try again. What a weird theory, Rick Astley is never gonna give you up, yet he leaves... ![]() Bartre is strong enough to resist Karla to recruit her, Renault knocked that motherfucker out and therefore he could knock out Karla. Despite quitting the sword he kept his pimp-hand mighty strong. Karla's brother is a dude who gets suckerpunched (and owned) by an old man despite being a total meathead and smashing his face against rocks when he needs to think. Karel also isn't awesome, you should've seen the poor little guy when they sold the last Atreyu CD in the record store before he got a copy, he cried in a ball on the floor of his room like a little baby... until Karla gave him some eyeliner. At least Karla can make the crybaby shut up. Renault knocked out Bartre, who clearly has more STR than Karla. Renault knows that if he unleashed the killing fist of the human beast he could rule Elibe, but being a man who's lived for 500 years he knows full well that he doesn't want to rule such a pathetic existance as Elibe. Are you asking Renault to pimp-smack Karla and return to the lifestyle she discussed she grew up in? rofl wut? Farina's a goddamned prostitute, she's not using the whip for anything kinky and neither is Florina. Hector also seems like he'd kick anyone who tried to use a whip on him right in the face and then kill them with a swift smack of his dong. I'd hand Guy the Wo Dao too, a unit with like zero durability and two more AVD than Renault (who has more HP, DEF, and RES than Karla). She also suffers WTD on counters. Renault, the fucking rock hard kick ass priest is killing the shit out of Karla for durability. Why would I even give her a weapon when I can give it to Guy, who beats the shit out of lance users even with WTD vs. Karla and her magnificent 37 AVD with WTD? Matthew and Ninan > Karla. Matthew can actually dodge, Nino doesn't need to deal with counterattacks, but Karla and her 11 DEF, 12 RES, 52 AVD, and 29 HP needs to be carefull guarded. Renault has tons more HP, more DEF, and RES... at the cost of 2 AVD. Matthew also gives supports, something Karla can't do because she joins way too late and even Nino can do better. Matthew and Nino plz if I need to boost my EXP rank, Karla's too undurable and weak. Karla's not going to survive long enough on her own to gain those levels, she needs to be babysat... two chapters from the Dragon. Ttly worth babysitting Karla at this point, especially when she still is inferior defensively to Renault. Same argument with Guy, only Renault > Karla when they keep their respective selling points (Fortify/Aura vs. Wo Dao). Renault can heal, useful no matter what, and fight okay, Karla can only fight with low proficiency against the bulk of enemies. Renault > Karla. |
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| C475_1337 | Jul 21 2007, 01:45 AM Post #6 |
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lol, right.
![]() You drew what looks like a crappy imitation of a monocle. Once again, nice try, though, you still get points for making me laugh.
Karel killed a twenty foot stone giant, a legendary ice mage, an army of a thousand knights, and god knows what other crazy shit all on his own. Harken’s only notable accomplishment is that he survived an encounter with Nergal whereas all his comrades died, but seeing as how he only managed that by running like a coward while his buds actually tried to fight, that’s not very impressive. And you expect me to believe Harken > Karel? I think this one deserves another
Did you not even read that support? Dart doesn’t caer, he only wants to find treasure or something like usual. The support was about Karel killing all these other insanely powerful warriors, and then killing an entire army, not about Dart being scared. Though, I can’t blame Dart if he was.
Your attempts to pervert Karel’s convos are cute, but ultimately also quite laughable. Yes, Karel is trying to sneak up on Geitz and slit his throat, and he eventually succeeds in doing so. The game just doesn’t mention that in Geitz’s ending so that it could keep its E rating. And yes, of course Karel is tired in his convo with Lucius. You’d be tired too if you hadn’t slept since you were thirteen, and instead spent all your days killing the strongest stuff you could possibly find and all your nights bathing in the blood of whatever you’d killed that day. The point of these convos is quite clearly that Karel is a maniacal killer obsessed with blood and death. Not an emo, lol……
Rick’s song is addressed to Karla, the only woman worthy of him, and he indeed does not let her down or leave her, he follows her into the next dimension when she gets bored with Elibe. I said this already in my last post, come on now.
No, Bartre is not strong enough to resist Karla. That is only what Karla wants you (and him) to think.
What? You’re describing Bartre, but at the beginning of your sentence you clearly said Karla’s brother. So Bartre = Karel? ![]() Interesting theory. Certainly Karel/Bartre is awesome enough to deceive the world into thinking he is two separate people, when they are in fact governed by the same entity. I shall have to examine this claim further……
Bartre does not have moar STR than Karla. That is only what Karla wants you to think.
Then why doesn’t Renault do as Karla has done and simply leave the “pathetic existence” that is Elibe? Logic dictates that this is what he would do. However, he does not do it. Therefore we must believe the simple explanation for this paradox, that he does not do so because he is not, in fact, as awesome as Karla and therefore unable to do so.
No, you quite misunderstand, my friend. Farina and Fiora were a bit feisty with him at first, they didn’t much like the idea of sleeping with him, so Hector had to use the whip to straighten those bitches out. You know how Farina is, she wanted to get paid, and Hector wasn’t having that. As for Fiora, well, I don’t know what her problem was, the text was cut from the game. Yes, the Farina convos were edited so that (again) the game could get an E Rating, and his Fiora support was removed entirely because the whole thing was deemed inappropriate.
Handing Guy the Wo Dao? It doesn’t matter, you once again fail to understand my point. Karla losing the Wo Dao doesn’t lessen her worth, as Killing Edges are if anything better than Wo Daos and also buyable so Karla can easily have one. Fortify, on the other hand, can’t be bought or replaced, and without it, Renault’s staff use gets alot less useful. And two more Avo than Renault? That’s at her base stats. She’s not going to be at base when Renault joins, nub: ??/12 Karla (C Bartre; yes, because Bartre must be in play so that he can recruit Karla, and he has pretty much no good support options that he might be taking over her except maybe Dorcas, and that still leaves room for C Karla) 33.2 Hp 15.8 Str 24.2 Skl 21.8 Spd 18.8 Luck 11.7 Def 13.4 Res 7 Con Karla also can have S Swords, if not by now, then a few turns after this. Fatal hits give double WEXP and she DAs, so that’s 3 WEXP per round, meaning she needs to fight about 23 times in order to get S Swords. She gets one round on every player phase, can get one or two more from counters on enemy phase, rounds in the arena in Battle Preparations are likely giving more than 3 WEXP in one turn, etc. No sweat. ??/16 Renault 43.0 Hp 12.0 Mag 22.0 Skl 20.0 Spd 10.0 Luck 15.0 Def 18.0 Res 9 Con Karla w/ Silver Sword (Killing Edge): 29 (25) Atk/22 AS/37 (67) Crit—33 Hp/12 Def/67 Avo Renault w/ Shine (Divine): 18 (20) Atk(lol)/20 (17) AS/19 (21) Crit—43 Hp/15 Def/50 (44) Avo lol @ Renault’s Atk. The Def/Res gap on enemies is almost never 9-11 points. Maybe you’ll see that on Wyvern Lords or something, but on the vast majority of the enemies, no. Karla’s raw damage w/ Silver Sword is usually better, then she can switch to Killing Edge when she needs to do even more damage (~89% chance of getting atleast one Crit from a KE DA, which is reliable). Against a 15 Def/10 Res enemy: Karla w/ Silver Sword (Killing Edge): 14 x 2 ([10 x 3] + 10) Dmg, 28 (40) total Renault w/ Shine (Divine): 8 x 2 (10 x 2) Dmg, 16 (18) total As you can see Karla is doing alot better. Even if the enemy has 20 Def/10 Res: Karla w/ Silver Sword (Killing Edge): 9 x 2 ([5 x 3] + 5) Dmg, 18 (20) total Renault w/ Shine (Divine): 8 x 2 (10 x 2) Dmg, 16 (18) total Damn, Karla is STILL doing better. Then, there’s alot of enemies like Valkyries, which have alot more Res than Def and which Karla rapes Renault against in raw damage output. There’s also some Heroes and NTs which Renault might not double but Karla will, and if Renault equips Divine he starts phailing to double even more stuffs.
No, Karla can use Lancereaver against enemy Lances when necessary. Yes, you heard me right. Those are buyable in Battle Preparations, you just got 30K and have the Silver Card, and Karla has used absolutely no money at all yet while everyone else on the team has been burning through weapons and items, so she more than deserves to be outfitted with one. So she has a 17 Avo lead over Renault under best case scenario (against enemy Swords—note that the promoted sword enemies are things like Heroes which Karla DAs and Renault doesn’t, or that 24 AS Swordmaster, which actually DAs Renault but not Karla; Karla’s higher CEV also is good against that guy). When Renault equips Divine, add 6 Avo for Karla. When Axes come along, add another 15 and also add 1 Def. When Lances come along, add on 26 Avo and 2 Def. Renault’s defense is by no means clearly better. Karla’s offense, however, is quite clearly better. And again, she actually is helping Exp Rank, while Renault is doing nothing worthwhile.
No. Promoting Matthew costs 50K. That’s alot. If you plan on using all your stat boosters (168K) and S Ranking Funds (847K), you have 183K left for units. On a 12 man team that’s about 15000K per unit—5K after promo items for most pplz. Yes, people like Pent don’t have to promote, and then people like Eliwood are going to go over the limit (20K promo item + 6K Rapier). It’s all going to average out to be about the same. If you promote Matthew, he goes over the 15K limit by 35K. Divided among 10 other units (Ninian doesn’t matter), each unit has to save on average 3.5K to compensate, leaving a meager 1500 Gold per unit to spend on weapons and such. Not going to cut it. You can’t fit all this in and also promote Matthew. “but just don’t use stat boosters, or use more prepromos, or something” Having to do those things so that I can afford Matt’s promotion = fail. Not using stat boosters is a pretty obvious disadvantage. If I have to use moar prepromos, that’s restricting my team build. Etc. No reason for all this hassle when I could just Karla who is practically free to pad Exp instead. Nino? lol, at base level she has 19 Hp/4 Def/32 Avo. And you said Karla’s base defenses need to be “carefully guarded.” Yes, Karla has to take counters……and she actually is able to take a counter from the enemies and not die, a distinction that Nino doesn’t always have. A mere 23 Atk is needed to OHKO her at base level. “but she won’t be at base level” No, probably not. But, you were using Karla’s base stats, and thus assuming Karla was still at base level. So, I did the same for Nino. The point is not that Karla is clearly better than these two, but rather, it’s that she’s not clearly worse. She has a distinct advantage over each, and it would be perfectly legitimate for someone to prefer her based on said advantages. So she can indeed be viably be used for something. In the department of healing, on the other hand, Renault is very badly outdone by multiple units who are all almost certainly in play. I shouldn’t need to explain this. There is no need whatsoever for his healing. His range with Physic is a mere 6 tiles, and he only heals 22 Hp (I imagine chars are gonna be taking alot more than 22 damage during Light)……Renault has no use.
Matthew doesn’t have to promote in order to transfer support bonuses, and that’s 100% irrelevant to using him as an Exp pad anyway; having an A Support with Matthew doesn’t cause Guy’s Exp gains to suddenly go up by 15%.
So you say Karla needs alot of babysitting, but then advocate using Nino over her? Riiiiight.
Except that, once again, taking off the Wo Dao does not make Karla significantly worse at fighting at all. Taking off Fortify makes Renault’s healing considerably worse. And yes, Karla can fight with low proficiency against the enemies, and Renault also can fight against them with an even lower proficiency, so Karla’s winning in that department. But still, they both suck at fighting, so you probably wouldn’t use them for that alone. So what else can they do? Well, Karla can boost the Exp Rank. Renault can heal. You have no one who is clearly better at boosting the Exp Rank than Karla (at this point in the game, atleast), and it’s probably a necessary task, Exp is a bitch to S Rank in this game. Healing is also a necessary task, but, Renault is very clearly the game’s worst healer (as opposed to Karla being able to actually compete as an Exp pad). Healing in general is needed, but when you already have 4 people on the job, a 5th one who sucks at it is quite unnecessary. Legitimate competition for landing the job at a necessary task that only two other units can rly do at all >>>>> about the last choice for a necessary task that atleast four other units are nearly guaranteed to be doing already There’s an actual reason to use Karla, there’s never a reason to use Renault. And just for icing on the cake, Karla fights better, and is hawt. Fin. |
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| +Reaver | Jul 22 2007, 02:45 PM Post #7 |
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Karel's eyeliner is still running, laughing or not. ![]() Harken survived Nergal, Nergal > Ice Mage, Nergal > Stone Giant, Nergal > Thousands of Armies. I can assume Nergal is tougher shit than Karel, and if Harken can survive Nergal he could also kick the shit out of all of the things Karel could too. Not to mention Harken doesn't smoke poles in his spare time. Karel's not a badass, the fact Harken kicks his ass and he wears eyeliner seals it. Harken could take those warriors. Obessing about blood and death is what emo kids do. Karel = emo. Wait a minute, Rick Astley fell into obscurity way back in the 1980s, way before Karla even existed. Interesting idea. ![]() A real God rules by fear and through full use of their power. Karla doesn't have enough power to be a God. Massive typo.:x The laws of the game prove otherwise. ![]() Why do you think Renault is working so hard to go heaven as a bishop? He wants to rule the ultimate realm. Hector doesn't use Elysian whips, only pegasai knights can use them rendering your theory useless. Karla using the Wo Dao means she's hogging a sword that ensures that Guy will kill every enemy on the field within one round of combat. Renault using fortify means that he's healing every unit's minor scratches so your better healers can focus on those who needs more healing. Renault's fortify staff is most useful in his hands because your other units need more serious healing from better staves, Renault holding a staff that allows him to treat everyone else >>>>. As if she's going to be jacked by the time he joins either, she probably won't gain anything because she can barely make a scratch on your enemies and she isn't durable enough to survive without massive babysitting. Isn't it a little bit late to watch over little baby Karla? :richie: Bartre won't S Bartre, you're not taking a 19 turn luxury now that you're this far into the game and going for an S-rank. http://www.serenes-forest.net/fe7/calc.html She needs 70 WEXP to get to S-Rank. She's only attacking on the ally phase because you're not letting a unit with 29 HP, 52 AVD, 11 DEF, and 10 RES near the hordes of lance users. Karla gets about three WEXP per unit, about 3 WEXP per turn. I don't know how WEXP works in Arenas, but unless it can give her massive WEXP she's not getting an S-Rank. Renault is inferior offensively, but he's also vastly superior defensively, namely because he has a massive HP lead and can actually do something useful (heal). Karla and Renault, both outclassed massively offensively, only have two selling points: utility and survival. Renault survives better with stronger defensive categories and his class, which keeps him out of harm's way. He also heals, which is better than using Karla to boost the EXP rank (since I can use Matthew, who supports, to do that). Renault > Karla defensively and Renault > Karla in utility, Karla can be better offensively because in reality she's still awful at it. Or I can just get a better unit to do it. You can always use another healer, you don't always need another blade on the team, especially when at this stage in the game everyone can fight (but not everyone can heal!). Why use stat buffs? I can support to fix all of the issues my bad units have. Matthew getting an A Support with Guy is worth at least 30 secret books for the Critical bonus alone for free. I'd much rather use Mattew and get a unit that offers stat gains for two-five units if needed than use all my stat buffs. Use Ninian, she gains EXP for your EXP rank, requires no money, gives stat bonuses with rings and supports when she (not Nils) is available. Matthew's B Support with Guy is worth like... an energy ring and 20 secret books just for the CRT and ATK bonuses, that's already 168K worth of buffs. ![]() Nino doesn't need to be heavily guarded, she can hang out behind enemy lines and hit people from there. Karla's class, however, requires she goes against enemies on the enemy phase and she obviously won't survive against Wyverns and such. Nino doesn't bother with Wyverns and gives a gradual EXP rating bump. Karla can be used to pad the EXP rank, but I prefer to support to fix problems stat-wise (I can still use 118K of stat buffs and promote Matthew so he's more useful in giving his massive support boosts to great units) and for good reason. In the department of fighting, on the other hand, Karla is very badly outdone my multiple units who are all almost certainly in play. I shouldn't need to explain this. There is no need whatsoever for her fighting. Her range with her weaponry is 1 and only deaths small amounts of damage (I can imagine enemies need to be up against 23.8 MT, even with a critical, to be killed.). Renault and Karla are both arguably the worst in their respective fields, but Renault has much less competition (Pent, Priscilla, Erk) than Karla (Raven, Guy, Kent, Hector, Sain, Harken, Geitz, Priscilla, Pent, Erk...). Less healing than fighting means Renault doesn't need to compete with the majority of your team, he's overall better for your team than Karla since 95.3% of units have the ability to fight while only 23.3% percent of units can Heal. Competing with 23.3% of your army > Competeing with 95.3% of your army. Renault also will have a higher staff rating than Erk/Lucius/Canas/Nino if they're used, only Pent/Athos/Serra/Priscilla could hope to ever match or beat Renault's staff rating. Renault is already an intermediate staffuser, placing right in the middle of your army. However, there are so many units that can outdamage Karla and kill more efficiently. Boosting the EXP rating while providing bonuses and getting stronger, therefore making it easier to aid characters with your bonuses because you're gaining more EXP and level ups > boosting the EXP rating. Nino in the backlines gaining EXP for 6 chapters > Karla getting EXP for two. Nino not taking damage in the backlines > Karla being prone to damage when she's ganing EXP. Renault being able to provide a service that most of your units can't even do (heal) > Karla boosting EXP doing something common. Karla needs the critical if she wants to even scratch most enemies, Renault can make an impact healing with a Heal/Mend staff and staff experience is constant, meaning he's actually aiding your ranking and being useful rather than aiding a ranking. Healing is useful no matter what, since he's getting constant EXP through healing he's healing and helping the EXP rating vs. just helping the EXP ranking and sucking. The fact Renault can use staves that Lucius, Nino, Erk, and Canas won't be able to touch makes him a better healer than they are. Also, the idea that fighting in general is needed, but Karla is just another unit when your whole team (save Nin. directly and Merlinus) can fight and isn't helping anything but EXP. Aiding EXP slightly and providing a good service > Aiding EXP a lot when I can use better units to do so. Matthew and Nino are better bets than Karla because they'll gain more EXP since you can access them earlier. Matthew also has the advantage of providing support boosts (more substantial than Stat Buff Items) while aiding the EXP rating and having other thief abilities (but no stealing) over Karla. Renault will automatically have access to better staves than half of the remaining healers, the idea that he can do what they cannot makes hm better. Karla and Renault both fight pretty poorly, but Renault can actually provide a needed service that never hurts to have versus be a constant burden because of frailty like Karla is while other units can boost the EXP rating better than she can. Good debate, I'll lock this and we'll get judges. |
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Karel also proves to Lucius that he is emo:

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