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| Double U Jay Cee vs. Solide; Florina vs. Sain | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 22 2007, 07:18 PM (391 Views) | |
| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jul 22 2007, 07:18 PM Post #1 |
 
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All modes, 3 posts each. Somonez RNs to see who goes first, please. |
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| Andras | Jul 22 2007, 07:22 PM Post #2 |
Will I ever change this av/sig combo?
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...22? |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jul 22 2007, 07:24 PM Post #3 |
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>_>; Someone RN a number that's either 1 or 2, please. 1, WJC first. 2, Solide first. |
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| Andras | Jul 22 2007, 07:26 PM Post #4 |
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Specify that then. I simply had a couple left over from judging. Let's see... 2. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jul 22 2007, 07:27 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks. Ok, I go first, then. Could you generate an RN in my other match, too? 1 is Reikken, 2 is Solide. |
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| Andras | Jul 22 2007, 07:30 PM Post #6 |
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Alright then. 1. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jul 22 2007, 07:31 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Aug 10 2007, 10:42 PM Post #8 |
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Sain vs. Florina. Looks to be a promising debate. Good luck. I'll open with a few fairly simple comparisons. Supports. Sain has: -Kent: A great character, and Sain is Kent's best Support. -Serra: Sain is one of her only fast Supports, so she will want to Support him whenever she's played. -Rebecca: A good character, and she doesn't mind a Sain Support. -Fiora: She's underlevelled, but when she's played, she'll often be triangling with Kent and Sain. -Priscilla: Lots of other options, but, seeing as she's a healer primarily, she doesn't care about the bonuses that much, and they're both mounted, so sometimes she'll take Sain. -Isadora: Too slow. -Louise: A garbage unit. Sain has Kent, Serra, Rebecca, and Fiora. Priscilla also won't mind taking Sain every now and then. A Kent/B Rebecca will be his usual setup. Florina has: -Lyn: She's not great due to her 20k cost and shafting one of Eliwood or Hector (depending on mode) or promoting late. She'll take Florina when she is played, however. -Fiora: She's underlevelled, but she'll take Florina when she's available, similar to Lyn. -Farina: Too late. Too much cost. Not worth it as a unit. -Ninian: She wants Florina. -Hector: Too many other options that he'd prefer. -Nino: Too late, too crappy. -Serra: Too slow. Florina has Fiora and Ninian, of which Ninian will be played almost all the time, whereas Fiora will be played sometimes. A Fiora/B Ninian. Looks like Sain is winning Supports. 4 good Supports > just 2. Sain joins a few chapters earlier than Florina does and has a considerably easier time dealing with early-LHM Brigands, so he'll emerge out of LHM with a level or two lead. Level 10/0 Sain w/Iron Lance Offense: 20.4 Atk, 9.6 AS, 97.8 Hit, 3.6 Crit Defense: 26.2 HP, 26.3 Avoid, 7.8 Def, 1.8 Res Level 9/0 Florina w/Slim Lance Offense: 12.2 Atk, 13.4 AS, 107 Hit, 5.5 Crit Defense: 21.8 HP, 37.8 Avoid, 5.2 Def, 6.8 Res On offense, Florina doubles a bit more but for a lot less damage. Her ~12 Atk to Sain's ~20 means that an enemy needs to only have 4 or more Def for Sain to match Florina's DA damage when she doubles and he doesn't. Or Sain could just equip a Steel Lance if the enemy has less than 4 Def and he'd still beat her. On things they both double or on things that neither double, Sain obviously wins. Florina can equip an Iron Lance, but then her Spd falls to below Sain's without beating him in damage, so it makes no difference. Sain is winning offense. Defensively, Florina has more Avoid but Avoid is not yet in the "reliable" range, so Sain's ~4-5 HP and ~2-3 Def completely override that (and the Res lead, for what it's worth, which is to say, not much, as Magic users are scarce). Sain can utilize terrain, as well, such as Forests and Forts. Then Sain has Swords, which help him maintain WTA against Axes, compared to Florina's WTD. Sain > Florina at this point. 20/1 Sain (A Kent/B Rebecca) w/Iron Lance Offense: 31.8 Atk, 14.6 AS, 125.5 Hit, 23.3 Crit Defense: 36.2 HP, 51.8 Avoid, 12.8 Def, 5.8 Res 20/1 Florina (A Fiora/B Ninian) w/Iron Lance Offense: 25.6 Atk, 15.8 AS, 146.6 Hit, 28.3 Crit Defense: 33.4 HP, 53.1 Avoid, 11.8 Def, 15.6 Res 3 HP and 1 Def vs. 1 Avoid and 9.8 Res. I'd call it nothing significant, but then Sain has full weapon triangle control and use of terrain (and he can switch to stronger weapons without Avoid loss), so he wins overall. What is more significant, however, is Sain's massive Atk lead. Per double, he does 12.4 more damage. If he's wielding a Steel Lance, his damage output is 18.4 more per double. Sain > Florina here too. 20/13 Sain (A Kent/Rebecca) w/Silver Lance Offense: 43.7 Atk, 19.3 AS, 126 Hit, 24.9 Crit Defense: 45.8 HP, 65.4 Avoid, 15.2 Def, 7.2 Res 20/13 Florina (A Fiora/B Ninian) w/Silver Lance Offense: 37.3 Atk, 20.3 AS, 155.7 Hit, 31.1 Crit Defense: 40.6 HP, 68.1 Avoid, 13.6 Def, 19.8 Res Defensively, ~5 HP and 2 Def and WTC and terrain vs. 3 avoid and 12.6 Res. The Res lead may matter towards the end, in a map such as HHM CoD, but generally speaking, it's still nothing that's gonna make make Florina better than Sain defensively. Physical enemy combatants are far more common. And then, CoD is different outside HHM--Magic itself is a lot less common outside HHM, and we're debating all modes, so the Res lead isn't anything spectacular. Offensively, does 1 AS even compare to 12.8 more damage in a double? To answer simply: no. Florina can use lighter weapons, but then her damage output suffers a lot (an Iron Lance instead of Silver, for instance, brings her AS up by 2, so she doesn't double much more, but her damage output per blow is now 30.3 rather than 37.3). Sain > Florina here too. Sain > Florina in all three cases, and Sain > Florina in Supports, so Sain > Florina overall. |
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| C475_1337 | Aug 19 2007, 05:08 PM Post #9 |
One serious d00d
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 Doesn't look that promising for you, Sain is already Pwned.
So will I. Florina > Sain Florina > Sain Florina > Sain Florina > Sain in all 3 instances, so clearly Florina > Sain overall Now, to counter your arguments.
Blah blah blah, Sain has good supports, Florina has bad ones, i win lololololol. That's essentially what you're trying to say, right? Well, ofcourse you want to say that because you want Sain to win. But that ain't enough. You spend liek one line on each saying why Sain's are good and why Florina's aren't. Watch me counter:
See how easily I raep'd that? Fail'd logic thar, Solide. Until such is proven otherwise, the neutral, unbiased view is the one that should be used. In other words, anything is fair game until one of us can prove otherwise.
Suck on Sain's dick moar, nob.
wtf? You have complete control over the distribution of Exp in LHM, there is no excuse for anyone consistently coming out at a higher level than anyone else, so long as they're both combat units we're talking about (and in this case it is).
LOL LOL LOL Now that I've intimidated you by lol'ing at your logic, allow me to proceed. See, you glossed over quite alot of things, and skewed some other things to make Sain look better. For example, "Florina doubles a bit more but for a lot less damage." Those two words in italics are strategically placed so as to make Sain's damage lead appear to be more significant than Florina's speed lead. Not that I expected you to not skew things in your unit's favor; just pointing out that your argument is based on stuffz like this just as much as, if not moar than, actual logic. Another example of this would be the stupid pointless one level lead for Sain, so we're going to make the Peg Knight LvL 10 too. In addition to that, Florina and Lyn have already hopped in bed a few times by now (who has Sain hopped in bed with so far? That's right, NO ONE), so Florina has dat C Lyn for +1 Atk. You claim that an enemy with only 4 or more Def makes the damage equal when Florina doubles and Sain doesn't? That's quite false, plz check your math next time: (14 Atk - 6 Def) x 2 = 16 20 Atk - 6 Def = 14 HOLY SHIT FLORINA WINS FLORINA WINS AND IT'S 6 DEF WE'RE USING INSTEAD OF 4 And guess what? Florina still does moar at 7 Def, at 8 they're tied, and Sain only wins at 9. Yes, most enemies have less than 8 Def. Only Cavs and Knights can have that much, and most Cavs still have less. So against the majority of enemies, FLORINA WINS, I do believe. Perhaps you should go ahead and eat your words now. "but steel lance" 70 Hit weapon during earlygame = FAIL Florina also already has almost a 1/3 chance to Crit on a DA, about 28%, to be precise. Bout 15 Crit, 5 from Skl, 5 from Lyn, 5 from Slim Lance. Beat that, nob. Plus, Florina has actual Res, and 1337 mobility (u ignored this last one, ur a sneaky one). Pirate Ship is a great example of Florina pwning Sain. On the left you have Shamans that Florina is more durable against, on the right you have Swords that Florina can double and Sain can't, and erriwhere you have water that Florina can fly across and Sain can't. As for the rest of this mess, I can't be bothered to counter it point for point or anything like that. I do feel the need to say that Sain is a poser, however. And we all know that posers fail. He acts like a stud/pimp/whatever, but if any woman actually offered him sex, he'd hop back on his horse and fly away like the wind. Not that anyone is ever going to offer him sex, on account of him being an annoying little bitch. Florina, however, is not scared of sex at all. Just look at her supports. She can go both ways (Lyn), isn't afraid of being banged by Hector's overwhelming manliness, and is even into incest (Fiora/Farina) and semi-bestiality (Ninian). That's pretty intense. The whole shy-little-girl act is just that, an act, I believe. Catch her in private and you'll meet a far more 1337 person.
 Florina can shoop da whoop all over Sain's ass whenever she wants and instantly own him. Lazor'd/10.
Yes, Sain has alot more Str than Florina. And Florina has more Spd than Sain. Yes, Sain has more Def than Florina. And Florina has more Avo than Sain Who caers? After promotion they both kill almost everything (and can use Silver/Killer for whatever they don't) and shouldn't die, and before promotion Florina is better anyway. What matters at this point is that Florina has something fairly unique, and also fairly useful. Huge mobility from flying + huge aid. Florina can ferry Eliwood/Hector to the throne, or rescue Lyn and fly with her two sisters over some mountains to handle another part of the map while erribody else is still at the start, or fly to save some villages or buy from a shop or something. Sain can't do any of that crap. Sain can only fight, and Florina can do that with more or less the same proficiency, and also can fly for utility purposes. Combat + Utility > Combat alone
No. Florina has boobs, Sain does not. Boobs > no boobs. Florina has a nice, smooth, toned female ass. Sain has a nasty hairy guy's ass. Florina is a lesbian, and I have PROOF! Florina has actually had sex, and in alot of different ways with alot of different people. Sain has never touched a woman in his life. Last but certainly not least, Florina knows how to SHOOP DA WHOOP. I'd much rather get in bed with Florina than Sain, no question about it. How, then, can you say that Sain is better? Are you saying you'd rather get in bed with Sain? ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GAY, SOLID? Because if you are...... |
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