Who do you give Eliwood an A with?

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Hector	21 (25.9%)
Lyn	8 (9.9%)
Ninian	13 (16%)
Fiora	8 (9.9%)
Lowen	10 (12.3%)
Marcus	7 (8.6%)
Harken	6 (7.4%)
Nobody	8 (9.9%)
Total Votes: 81

Who do you give Eliwood an A with?; Usually
Topic Started: Jul 25 2007, 06:34 AM (536 Views)
dynamo	Jul 25 2007, 06:34 AM Post #1
Posts: 17 Group: FEFFer Member #1,393 Joined: July 20, 2007	I go for Lowen or Fiora, since he can use his promoted movement well, while the A with Hector could slow him down, not to say I haven't used it. Marcus I don't use, same thing with Harken. Ninian has a fast support, problem is that she's fragile and I don't really want her on the frontlines with Eliwood. That leaves Lyn, who I've used with an A with Eliwood before, and isn't too shabby. So anyway, who do you get him an A with (if one at all?)



Dragon Hellfire	Jul 25 2007, 06:43 AM Post #2
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	Hector, starts early, offers good bonuses, very fast, and the movement difference between the two isn't as much as everyone makes it up to be from my observation. Lowen and Fiora always have a movement lead on him, Eliwood only gains a movement lead on Hector around chapter ... 26 was it?
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dynamo	Jul 25 2007, 07:00 AM Post #3
Posts: 17 Group: FEFFer Member #1,393 Joined: July 20, 2007	Endgame is where Eliwood can be put to good use; As the main character / second main, I think it's a good idea to get him out of the way early, and let's face it, before promotion his ordinary movement + mediocre stats don't make him the best fighter. And endgame is pretty much the most important part of the game, so... Now, as for Lowen and Fiora's early movement lead; Lowen is the tankish cavalier. Tbh he's kinda like a knight on a horse, I would rather use him defensively than have him rush into a horde of enemies, so he shouldn't be too far away from Eliwood, and when they're both promoted they can rush around together and own. And now you tell me, in what chapter before Eliwood promotes, other than one (Crazed Beast), should Fiora be away from your other units?



Dragon Hellfire	Jul 25 2007, 07:11 AM Post #4
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	Uhhh, what? Half of that wasn't even persuading me in the slightest that supporting Lowen/Fiora over Hector was a smart idea, the other half was borderline. Top paragraph made little sense because lategame you can still move Hector around with your team, and he can even be stalking Eliwood thanks to having nothing better to do. Lowen and Fiora might be close by sure, but there are more chances that they won't so it is, in fact the worse support. Early on is when Eliwood needs the bonuses most even, because that's when the enemies are the closest to your combatively, and thanks to Hector being a really fast support those two being together is a lot of help. Lowen being a tankish cavalier makes him close to the team? What kind of logic is that? If he's a tankish cavalier then he should be away from the team where his tanking skills are actually put to use. If he's hanging out with units that have lower defensive stats than him, which is quite likely if you have him with the rest of your team, then he isn't being attacked thus doing nothing for your teams defenses. The only reason a unit like, say, Oswin is nearby is because he lacks mov. If he had more mov he would just move ahead stopping any problems at the source while increasing his chances of his defenses going to use. Lowen has this ability, so he best as well use it. Sure Fiora and Lowen are not going to be going off on their own little killing spree at all times, but their superior mov means those slightly out of range for the team units will be theirs to handle. They are not completely seperated with the team, but their support bonuses may not be there and/or they will not be supporting their partner. Adding in that the Hector support is insanely fast, you're just going to want to go with that.
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Eaichu	Jul 25 2007, 07:36 AM Post #5
Leadership Posts: 3,416 Group: Veteran Member #416 Joined: September 5, 2005	Hector/Eliwood, cuz - Fast, really fast. A support in 57 turns total? Thx - Bonuses are nice, especially the full defense. It's not like there's anything to really frown about here. - Both units have similar movement up until Eliwood's promotion, which means they'll have small issues hanging around each other while playing through the game. Plenty of time to utilize a quick & useful support. The only time I'd possibly give an A to Lowen is if Rebecca wasn't in play whilst using him, so meh; but that still grows slower which is slowing me down in terms of overall effectiveness if Hector & Eliwood are in play; and both usually are. I don't like A supporting him with Fiora because she comes later, and she has plenty of decent partners to work on in that timeframe anyway; it's not like she's losing out on anything if I get an A with Eliwood & Hector, which is helping the team more before she joins.



dynamo	Jul 25 2007, 07:48 AM Post #6
Posts: 17 Group: FEFFer Member #1,393 Joined: July 20, 2007	Quote: Top paragraph made little sense because lategame you can still move Hector around with your team, and he can even be stalking Eliwood thanks to having nothing better to do. Lowen and Fiora might be close by sure, but there are more chances that they won't so it is, in fact the worse support. Early on is when Eliwood needs the bonuses most even, because that's when the enemies are the closest to your combatively, and thanks to Hector being a really fast support those two being together is a lot of help. During that time, Hector can be supporting Oswin. Eliwood/Hector is fast yes, but the first few chapters on the Eliwood/Hector routes aren't really hard, I'd rather have a little harder beginning and an easier mid-late than the vice versa as in the first few chapters, you won't exactly be fighting a load of enemies. Now, let's look at affinities (assuming they have a C support): Anima / Thunder ATK 0.5 DEF 1 HIT 0 EVA 5 CRT HIT 2.5 CRT EVA 5 Anima / Fire ATK 1 DEF 0.5 HIT 2.5 EVA 5 CRT HIT 2.5 CRT EVA 2.5 Now, attack and defence are both important. However, earlygame, sometimes doubles still don't cut it, so the attack is important, meaning Lowen can give Eliwood more power in his attack, to defeat more enemies and get more level ups, which is more stats quickly. Hector doesn't give Eliwood any Hit. Hit isn't that big an issue on Eliwood I'll admit, but when trying to use a heavier weapon it can be, so Lowen provides Eliwood with more insurance of a hit. They both give Eliwood 5 Evasion. Same Critical Hit bonus. Now, Crit Evade. Hector wins this by a margain of 2.5; but other than Guy, what earlygame uses is this gonna have? Guy can easily be recruited by luring him anyway. So anyway, although it's slower, Eliwood/Lowen works well earlygame too. Also, just as a finishing note, I usually give Hector a B with Eliwood, so even if I'm planning an A with Lowen, Hector can still help out round the beginning of the E/H routes. Quote: Lowen being a tankish cavalier makes him close to the team? What kind of logic is that? If he's a tankish cavalier then he should be away from the team where his tanking skills are actually put to use. If he's hanging out with units that have lower defensive stats than him, which is quite likely if you have him with the rest of your team, then he isn't being attacked thus doing nothing for your teams defenses. The only reason a unit like, say, Oswin is nearby is because he lacks mov. If he had more mov he would just move ahead stopping any problems at the source while increasing his chances of his defenses going to use. Lowen has this ability, so he best as well use it. Lowen's Str growth is 30; He can't exactly rush ahead an obliterate everything. And by defensive, I mean guarding rooms, passages and such. If he's hanging out with the lower defence units, then he can shield them, that's putting his tankish growths to good use. As for the Oswin argument - Oswin's low move means he can't protect the group completely, while Lowen should be able to reach pretty much everything. Quote: Sure Fiora and Lowen are not going to be going off on their own little killing spree at all times, but their superior mov means those slightly out of range for the team units will be theirs to handle. They are not completely seperated with the team, but their support bonuses may not be there and/or they will not be supporting their partner. Adding in that the Hector support is insanely fast, you're just going to want to go with that. As I said before, Fiora has little reason to move too far away from the main group before Eliwood promotes. Yes, Lowen should be protecting the rest of the team, which may mean separating, but assuming you're trying to get the main / second main character to a high level at the beginning, he should be able to be nearby without missing out on too much experience. And as I said before: you can get Eliwood a C/B with Hector early on if you want, don't presume he'll just get the A with Lowen/Fiora and that's it. Granted you might want to build on a early support lead, but after the first few chapters I don't see why Eliwood and Hector should be side by side.



Dragon Hellfire	Jul 25 2007, 08:01 AM Post #7
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	._. You don't even know how to calculate Hit. The weight of a weapon does not effect your hit rate. Ever. Early-game isn't really up for debate because if Eliwood is getting an A with Lowen, he's getting a B with Hector and vice-versa. Early game he's getting the same bonuses no matter who he will end up getting an A with, because that comes later on. Quote: Lowen's Str growth is 30; He can't exactly rush ahead an obliterate everything. And by defensive, I mean guarding rooms, passages and such. If he's hanging out with the lower defence units, then he can shield them, that's putting his tankish growths to good use. As for the Oswin argument - Oswin's low move means he can't protect the group completely, while Lowen should be able to reach pretty much everything. He actually can quite well kill of enemies later in the game because his arsenal is so wide and diverse he can choose the perfect weapon. That wasn't the point though, he's up there making sure the enemies don't get to your weaker defensively units until they can handle them with ease. It doesn't even have to be so much that the enemies are strong enough to hurt your team, it's just the fact that Lowen is strong enough to sustain tons of damage without worry, so you might as well make good use of that. And what you said about Oswin ... is what I said about Oswin. ._. Quote: As I said before, Fiora has little reason to move too far away from the main group before Eliwood promotes. So you say something, I make a nice decent rebuttal, then you say the exact same thing again? Do you know what debating is? Quote: Yes, Lowen should be protecting the rest of the team, which may mean separating, but assuming you're trying to get the main / second main character to a high level at the beginning, he should be able to be nearby without missing out on too much experience. Wait wait. I could take a slower support, miss out on experience, lose a tankish unit's diversity OR go with the faster one and miss out on nothing? Yeahhhh Quote: but after the first few chapters I don't see why Eliwood and Hector should be side by side. What? That doesn't make any sense at all. They don't even split away from each other in terms of movement for another 18 or so chapters, such as Lowen and Eliwood do in exactly 0 chapters. So if you don't see the reason Eliwood and Hector should be side by side, then you sure as hell will NEVER have Lowen and Eliwood side by side. ._.
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dynamo	Jul 25 2007, 08:25 AM Post #8
Posts: 17 Group: FEFFer Member #1,393 Joined: July 20, 2007	Quote: You don't even know how to calculate Hit. The weight of a weapon does not effect your hit rate. Ever. Okay, that's my bad, I'll admit that. I'm not an expert, I don't know the exact formulae. Quote: He actually can quite well kill of enemies later in the game because his arsenal is so wide and diverse he can choose the perfect weapon. That wasn't the point though, he's up there making sure the enemies don't get to your weaker defensively units until they can handle them with ease. It doesn't even have to be so much that the enemies are strong enough to hurt your team, it's just the fact that Lowen is strong enough to sustain tons of damage without worry, so you might as well make good use of that. And what you said about Oswin ... is what I said about Oswin. ._. 1. Okay, so he can go up there with WTA advantage and kill enemies. Problem is, he's gonna be going through quite some weapons (which means funds) with his eh Strength. I'd rather have him defend around the group. 2. No. You said Oswin only hangs around the group because of his low move, which is something I agree with, but you said this means Lowen should be on the frontlines, while I'm saying he should stay behind as Oswin can't reach everything. Quote: So you say something, I make a nice decent rebuttal, then you say the exact same thing again? Do you know what debating is? Actually, you never answered me when I said that Fiora has only one chapter before Eliwood's promotion where she should be away from the main group. Also, shut up. I never insulted you once. There's no reason for you to insult me. Quote: Wait wait. I could take a slower support, miss out on experience, lose a tankish unit's diversity OR go with the faster one and miss out on nothing? Yeahhhh Yes, let's ignore that Eliwood will spend less time with Hector later, meaning their A support is of less use. Quote: What? That doesn't make any sense at all. They don't even split away from each other in terms of movement for another 18 or so chapters, such as Lowen and Eliwood do in exactly 0 chapters. So if you don't see the reason Eliwood and Hector should be side by side, then you sure as hell will NEVER have Lowen and Eliwood side by side. Lowen and Eliwood can be side by side late-on for pretty much everything, and the boosts they give each other are great too. If promoted Eliwood just hangs around with Hector, you're wasting movement. Anyway, this argument is going round in circles. I intend to stop soon, if not now, but I'm still convinced I'm right ;l



Dragon Hellfire	Jul 25 2007, 08:26 AM Post #9
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	Fix your quote tags please. >.>
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dynamo	Jul 25 2007, 08:27 AM Post #10
Posts: 17 Group: FEFFer Member #1,393 Joined: July 20, 2007	just did, lawl



Dragon Hellfire	Jul 25 2007, 09:24 AM Post #11
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	Quote: 1. Okay, so he can go up there with WTA advantage and kill enemies. Problem is, he's gonna be going through quite some weapons (which means funds) with his eh Strength. I'd rather have him defend around the group. How thick can you be? You counter the first sentence of that paragraph while ignoring the rest. And might I add the rest pre-counters what you just said. Lowen going ahead does, in fact, protect the group, moreso than him staying behind. Him being right by Eliwood in the group means that the enemies are going to attack Eliwood and not him. If Lowen is not getting attacked, then he is not defending anyone. Lowen moving ahead is better for the teams defenses. Quote: 2. No. You said Oswin only hangs around the group because of his low move, which is something I agree with, but you said this means Lowen should be on the frontlines, while I'm saying he should stay behind as Oswin can't reach everything. Oswin can't reach everything so you send Lowen ahead to reach those things. Putting Lowen right back aside Oswin is greatly reducing the area that you have tankish units to defend. Duh. \|: Quote: Yes, let's ignore that Eliwood will spend less time with Hector later, meaning their A support is of less use. Rofl, wtf? Eliwood and Hector are almost always closer to each other than Eliwood and Lowen. You still haven't countered the perfectly right stalking argument, in which Hector just follows Eliwood around, then after Hector promotes it's his personal chapter in which Eliwood is coming to and not Lowen, so they'll be MUCH closer to each other than Eliwood and Lowen. Next few chapters we're coming to an end, and one of the chapters isn't even combatively, and those very few chapters don't make the Lowen support better when it comes to practicality. Hector and Eliwood activate wayyy faster so you have an A longer, and those times they have the A and have either similar movement/Hector Stalks outweigh the time that they won't it's retarded, retarded to even attempt to bring that up as a win for Lowen when Lowen is away from Eliwood when it comes to movement for the entire game. Quote: Lowen and Eliwood can be side by side late-on for pretty much everything, and the boosts they give each other are great too. That's absolutely ridiculous. Lowen and Eliwood don't even have the same mov lategame AND they preform different functions. The time that Hector and Eliwood are together lategame > the time that Lowen and Eliwood are together lategame. Quote: If promoted Eliwood just hangs around with Hector, you're wasting movement. Gah, don't be retarded. Obviously you have Hector follow around Eliwood, which is VERY FUCKING EASY mind you, meaning that they will almost at all times be within range of each other. You don't even have to worry about who is moving first like with Lowen and Eliwood, because Hector can move to the spot that he's giving Eliwood bonuses before Eliwood goes to close in and attack. Lowen is currently an offensive unit so he will also want to go close in and attack too, meaning that he won't be gaining from Eliwood if he moves first or vice-versa. Then you have that Lowen is trying to preform tank functions, and there are times that Eliwood would just fuck up his style if he went to go stand next to him because then the enemies would attack Eliwood and you just lost that tank usefulness. The enemies are crowded enough in this game that the mov difference of 2 between Eliwood and Hector is not great enough to split them up.
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C475_1337	Jul 25 2007, 09:41 AM Post #12
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-HJ-	Jul 25 2007, 09:46 AM Post #13
I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead. Posts: 2,087 Group: Veteran Member #912 Joined: August 26, 2006	So was I, and I did it.



Eaichu	Jul 25 2007, 09:48 AM Post #14
Leadership Posts: 3,416 Group: Veteran Member #416 Joined: September 5, 2005	That's liek 20 PWR right there



Rei	Jul 25 2007, 10:32 AM Post #15
UNIVEEEEEERSE! Posts: 527 Group: FEFFer Member #678 Joined: March 19, 2006	Hector, a support as fast as speedy cat giving max avoid and max defense, especially early on when it is most needed. GG



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