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| Topic Started: Jul 26 2007, 05:03 PM (830 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Jun 11 2008, 03:01 PM Post #31 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Inui raped Mekkah, though. Seth is too good. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jun 15 2008, 05:29 PM Post #32 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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http://z11.invisionfree.com/Fire_Emblem_Fu...showtopic=14165 How about that voting, fellow debaters? Solid, CATS, Jeigan? Anyone? 
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| +Reaver | Jun 15 2008, 07:01 PM Post #33 |
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I'm going with Mekkah. Mekkah effectively proved Moulder's utility not as a lone unit, but to a team. The first thing that bugged me about this debate was that Inui kept insisting healing was "a convenience and not vital". I giggled. Second thing was how ineffective I felt the counter to Moulder's "team improvement" argument was. Mekkah: "3) Moulder's team is higher leveled/bigger because he saves even more EXP than Seth. I either have an extra unit, or each of them is stronger." was not effectively countered thoughout the debate. Inui's response, "And "Moulder over Seth does blah blah blah" is not a valid arguement since they don't pull from the same EXP pool.", sort of helps Mekkah's case because Moulder pulling EXP form a separate pool means more EXP is available for others. Also, Inui repeated arguments that Mekkah effectively countered, which was another thing that bugged me. I didn't like how Inui's final post stressed Moulder "was the worst unit on the enemy phase", yet Mekkah countered this argument effectively. Inui's response to Mekkah's Moulder improves any unit's durability was (paraphrased) "Moulder had to be near the frontlines and his durability is garbage, thus he won't do that". Also, directly from his counter: "Adding another fighter, especially a durable one like Seth, adds to your team's durability by adding to the amount of units taking hits." More units taking more hits = wtf  I felt Mekkah soundly defeated this argument.So for Mekkah's efforts in proving how Moulder's presence improves your team overall, I vote Mekkah. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jun 15 2008, 07:10 PM Post #34 |
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I have no problem losing to Mekkah since he's amazing, but your reasoning for the vote seems awful. I used Reikken's points and logic often, and that's not easily countered like you're saying it was.
lol, you didn't even understand my logic here, apparently. :lol: |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jun 15 2008, 07:10 PM Post #35 |
 
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Inui wasn't using that to defeat Mekkah's case. He was using it to strengthen his own. He even stated that it was a different point completely.
One more unit to take hits means your other units will take less. Not contesting your vote. I've only skimmed the debate. Just pointing these things out. |
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| +Reaver | Jun 15 2008, 07:15 PM Post #36 |
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To which Mekkah responded, using Seth as the example, nothing that if Seth is in play hits are going to be directed towards other units because of Seth's level and such. I misread the statement, fortunately Mekkah didn't relooking at the post. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jun 15 2008, 07:17 PM Post #37 |
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Yes, I'm aware that Mekkah contested. I was only referring to what you said about it, which was "wtf :Psyduck:" |
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| Mekkah | Jun 16 2008, 04:11 AM Post #38 |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jun 16 2008, 05:06 PM Post #39 |
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Whoa, close debate. Mekkah sort of seemed to go a different way with his last post than his other two posts, in that he no longer mentioned direct combat, but that was O.K., since his case was still strong nonetheless. Inui's last post also seemed to deviate a bit from his previous two; from what I could tell, a large portion of it dealt with weapons, and it didn't seem as solid as Mekkah's new case. At the very end, though, Mekkah sort of slacked off on his argument and seemed to say "lol the two are equal; you think one's better, and I think the other's better." I didn't like this. Mekkah was descriptive in his reasoning. Inui was less so, citing Seth as a "god" but not really elaborating. Inui did successfully defeat anti-EXP arguments for Seth, but Mekkah countered that nicely with the argument that Moulder actually gets the rest of the team to a higher level. I also noticed that Mekkah made an assumption about standards, and while Inui succesfully countered the logic of introducing such standards, I didn't really see what those assumptions had to do with either's case. I was confused by this whole exchange. I feel that Inui slightly won the first round, but Mekkah slightly won the second round and won the final round, so I'm giving the overall victory to Mekkah. Good debate. |
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| Mekkah | Jun 17 2008, 06:48 AM Post #40 |
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From what I know, it was a bit like this. I emphasized how Seth takes more EXP from the team than Moulder. Therefore, when given a choice between using Seth and Moulder, on this aspect, Moulder > Seth. Moulder being there > Seth being there. The same sentence can also be seen as: Seth not being there > Moulder not being there. Inui translated this to something like "it's not about who helps more by disapoofing". Which indeed it was not about. There was a negative for using Seth that there was not for fielding Moulder. Dunno if that clarifies anything. |
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| 180degrees | Jun 17 2008, 04:24 PM Post #41 |
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"Everyone, even the girls here, would rather have sex with Isadora than Dorcas" Um, sorry, but no. I would love to see them together, though. 
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