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| Topic Started: Sep 9 2007, 01:57 PM (881 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 01:57 PM Post #1 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Cast voatz heer plz. Judges Inui Sentenal Paperblade Mekkah Jeigan Sniper |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 02:03 PM Post #2 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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I'm going to vote for... Well, I'm not entirely sure. I think if the debaet went on another round, that Eltoshen could clean up any mistakes he made with his logic and take away a clear win, but the debaet is over in three posts each. Jeigan made some weak points, but that's a given considering his unit is pretty weak, lol. Stuff like Edain having more range with Libro and Reserve doesn't really work since Lachesis has 4 more MOV anyways. And Fury getting the Thief Sword must be some sort of joke when she's ideal for getting villages, doesn't have an expensive holy weapon, and doesn't need to buy anything like a Leg Ring or Knight Ring. And Lachesis starts with it anyways and gets more out of it since she becomes very good with the Elite Ring and passes it on to a unit that needs it far more than Fee. I think Jeigan didn't try as hard as he normally does. Eltoshen pulled off an upset victory, I'd say. It really came down to him trying harder. This was a pretty close debaet, though. Edit: Elto actually used some humour and fun stuff too, which was better than Jeigan's nothing in that area. 
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| Mekkah | Sep 9 2007, 02:11 PM Post #3 |
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Overall, I am going to give my vote to Snake (vs Elthoshen). He seemed more convincing in showing off Fury's pro's while highlighting Lachesis' flaws. I thought Elthosen brought up some rather moot-ish points, such as Fury's recruitment and stat totals. The things that mattered were countered by Snake pretty well. But let's admit it, Lachesis is extremely hard to defend, or at least much harder than Fury. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2007, 11:25 PM Post #4 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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I'm leaning towards Elto. Jeigan just assumed Fury would like, get every weapon ever. What the hell does Fury even need a thief sword for? Just so Lachesis can't have it? Fury is the only one who can get the Hero Lance? We are supposed to assume Generation 2 has no weight in these debates, right? So Fury passing down the Hero Lance has no relavance at all, thus eliminating his main justification for Fury getting it. Overall, I think Elto did a bit better. |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 11:28 PM Post #5 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Second Generation has weight in terms of stuff you'd never do. Like give Ayra the Elite Ring when her kids will have Elite anyways. And how good a unit's children are = no relevance at all. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2007, 11:30 PM Post #6 |
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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How does Fury passing on the Hero Lance effect first generation ranks in any way? |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 11:32 PM Post #7 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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It doesn't, so it doesn't matter. Her passing it on makes it far more likely that she'll be using it over the likes of Noishe and Alec since they are often not fathers of anyone. You get it now?  (i think Fin should keep it anyways) |
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2007, 11:38 PM Post #8 |
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So, if Fury passing it down doesn't effect ranks, how can that be used as justification that she will get it? |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 11:40 PM Post #9 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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When you play the game, you would never in your life give it to someone that can't pass it down, so Fury has a chance of getting it while people Alec, Noish, and Sigurd will never touch that lance since they'd be destroying it forever. It's moar liek common sense than anything with rankings. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2007, 11:42 PM Post #10 |
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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If we are considering Generation 2 doesn't matter, then its like saying Generation 2 doesn't even exist in the context of these debates. So, if it doesn't even exist, then it doesn't matter if she passes it down, because it doesn't effect generation 1 in any way, shape, or form. |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 9 2007, 11:45 PM Post #11 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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It exists. I don't think I stated that it doesn't exist at all. You just have to think. It's not going to be laid out in stone. An arguement about your unit's children being amazing is worthless. An arguement that Alec would never in his life touch the Hero Lance since he'd be destroying it permanently is valid. You'd never, ever give the lance to someone that can't pass it on. It's just common sense. It's the basics of playing the game. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2007, 11:54 PM Post #12 |
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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Passing down a weapon effects Generation 2 exactly the same way having good kids effects Generation 2, how are they any different? |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 10 2007, 12:01 AM Post #13 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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"It exists. I don't think I stated that it doesn't exist at all. You just have to think. It's not going to be laid out in stone. An arguement about your unit's children being amazing is worthless. An arguement that Alec would never in his life touch the Hero Lance since he'd be destroying it permanently is valid. You'd never, ever give the lance to someone that can't pass it on. It's just common sense. It's the basics of playing the game." How good the unit's kids are has no affect on the first generation. Them passing things down has an affect on the first generation. The second generation is affecting the first generation in the case of the debates. So saying a unit should/shouldn't/couldn't pass something down is valid since it has to do with basic stuff a normal player does when they play the game. On a normal playthrough, you consider the second generation while playing. However, your unit's children's stats don't have any affect on anything at all in the first generation. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 10 2007, 12:04 AM Post #14 |
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How does them passing it on effect Generation 1 in any way what so ever? You say that, but it is entirely false. Lakche or someone getting the Hero Sword from parents doesn't affec the parents.
Yes, but these debates aren't a normal playthrough, they are an ONLY GENERATION ONE playthrough. Otherwise, pairings should be considered. |
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| +Ema Skye | Sep 10 2007, 12:09 AM Post #15 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Pairings don't matter. You can pair someone without them even touching combat a single time. What Lakche does has absolute no bearing on what Ayra does for your rankings in the first generation. Fury can recieve 0 EXP and still be paired with Levin very easily. Pairings have absolutely no relevance to your first generation ranks. "My kids rock!" is not valid in the slightest. When you play the game, you don't give someone like Noish the Hero Lance because he destroys it forever. That's just logic and common sense. If you give that weapon to him, you are losing one of the best weapons in the game and harming another unit later on in the game. Pairings, however, don't affect the actual gameplay of the first generation. Inheritance, however, does. |
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