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Topic Started: Sep 9 2007, 01:57 PM (884 Views)
Sentenal
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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Taken this to MSN, and I stand by my reasoning.
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Sep 10 2007, 01:35 AM
Taken this to MSN, and I stand by my reasoning.

Same here.

But...we're keeping it like I said.
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Mekkah

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Technically you cannot destroy the Hero Lance forever. If it isn't passed down, it is dropped by some enemy General in Chapter 8 (either Muhammed or the one near the castle Blume stands on, both got a Hero Lance and I forgot which drops which). A similar fate goes for Lex' Hero Axe - he cannot pass it on, but exactly the same axe is dropped by Smith the Axe Knight in Chapter 6. It even keeps its kill count.

Just wanted to note that in case you forgot/didn't know.
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And in any case, a first gen character's stats affect their kids just as much as passing down weapons will. The reason I didn't include ANYTHING about passing down weapons is because I basically cut off Generation 2 from the debate.

Jeigan made some very false points. If I may point them out in case you guys totally missed it. >_>

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yeah, exactly. If you move Lachesis where there are enemies, the knights will do something stupid. And since Lachesis needs to be near the frontlines to heal...

Totally untrue. As I said:
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If an enemy is somewhere on the map, they will go and attack those enemies. They only surround Lachesis when there are no attackable enemies on the map.


Of course, there are minor exceptions when it comes to this, as the chapter is really confusing.

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Btw, Lachesis is not the only one who can get the Elite ring. Since Fury gets the thief sword, she gan get money to buy it.

She doesn't "get" the Thief Sword. She has to buy it off of Lachesis.

Only basic mistakes I could find. I could dig deeper but then it'd seem like I was debating an extra post.
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Big Boss
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She doesn't "get" the Thief Sword. She has to buy it off of Lachesis.

Only basic mistakes I could find. I could dig deeper but then it'd seem like I was debating an extra post.


By "get" I meant that Fury is better user for the Thief sword than Lachesis. Sorry if it was confusing.
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It's 2-1 Eltoshen, but we still need moar voatz.
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Paperblade

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I'm gonna have to go with Elto.

Jeigan/Snake was giving Fury lots of things she really didn't want or need over anyone else... Like villages and weapons.
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Eltoshen advances. D:
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Mekkah.

Sentenal made some errors and didn't really show how Holyn's stats made him so much better for killing things. Mekkah also added some fun stuff.
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Paperblade

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I'd say Sentenal. Even if he was a bit more boring and a had a couple facts wrong, he made it pretty clear that despite that, Holyn was owning Beo for at least 2 chapters.
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Sentenal
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Jeigan and/or Sniper needs to vote.
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Mekkah

At first, I was leaning towards Sentenal, but during the second and third round of posts, Mekkah's arguments were stronger. Sentenal's mistake about doubling was pretty bad, too.
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Sentenal
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K Mekkah wins, set up my next battle.
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Mekkah

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For Sentenal vs Sety, I am leaning towards Sentenal. I'm not officially voting yet since I might have to reread but Sety should just get some of his facts straight before posting them.

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Not sure about the lover bonus crit, but I think it's 20+skl. Plenty high.


I don't know the exact chances of this either, but the chance of criticaling normally is Skill%. Lover critical is just a seperate sort of critical hit that has either 10% or 20% of activating.

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Very few enemies in the prologue have 35+ HP. Where the hell are you getting your stats from? And it's called "leveling her up with staves." Or you can give her a few kills here and there. It's not really hurting anyone. The only level one units here are Azel, Fin, and Ethlin.


According to PaperBlade's FE4stats.xls ALL enemies in the prologue have more than 35 HP. Lowest is L1 Brigand/Hunter/Mountain Thief with...36 HP.

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combat rank = battles/wins, should be x% or higher, in fe7 x = 40 iirc and it should be around this in fe4 too
survival = not allowed to have more than 3 total battle record losses
capturing = tactics basically

Sety also seemed to be dodging arguments like here

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Holyn one rounds just about every Lance Knight, Axe Knight, Free Knight, Swordfighter, and mage in the chapter. With Moonlight hit (about 40% chance to activate once in a round), Holyn becomes one of the best people to take down the various Armors in chapter 2 as well, as when he activates Moonlight hit once, he one rounds all of them as well. This is good offense. Hitting once for 20 damage is not.


Sentenal proves Holyn's offense is enormous, and instead of countering it Sety switches to Holyn's recruitment

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So, tell me. Who is good enough to kill every enemy in the arena and then survive Holyn's Luna? Not at Evans, I can tell you that. He OHKO's sure, but he may or may not be recruited on turn one, which is a bad thing for him.


which wasn't such a sturdy argument anyway because Ayra (who will always double Holyn even with a 6 wt sword as long as she gained one speed level-up) and Sigurd (who needs 2 speed level ups to tie Holyn but is a good candidate for the Speed Ring to make this easier as well as his Heirhein rush with Cuan) can do it quite comfortably, and so can Fin if he gets Prayer.

That's my feedback.
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