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| Inui vs SwordsAreShiney; Bastian vs Renning | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 14 2007, 01:01 AM (372 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Dec 14 2007, 01:01 AM Post #1 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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| +Ema Skye | Dec 18 2007, 11:40 PM Post #2 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Let's get right down to how much Bastian rapes when he first joins. Bastian: Level 10 Archsage HP: 45 - 25% STR: 21 - 20% MAG: 35 - 30% SKL: 27 - 70% SPD: 24 - 40% LUK: 21 - 40% DEF: 20 - 25% RES: 32 - 50% Shove, Corrosion, Flare (Discipline should be added in order to get his other weapons to S level before this chapter ends) Highest level Cat: 47 HP, 14 Res, 72 Evd Bastian with Arcfire: 48 Dmg, 100 Hit, 27 Flare Highest level Tiger: 58 HP, 8 Res, 50 Evd, 10 Crit Evd Bastian with Arcfire: 54 Dmg x 2, 100 Hit, 8 Crit, 27 Flare (lower level Tigers are often OHKO'd) Highest level Dragon: 69 HP, 16 Res, 29 Evd, 9 Crit Evd Bastian with Arcthunder: 40 Dmg x 2, 100 Hit, 19 Crit, 27 Flare Highest level Hawk: 47 HP, 12 Res, 66 Evd Bastian with Arcwind: 47 Dmg, 100 Hit, 27 Flare Highest level Raven: 46 HP, 20 Res, 75 Evd Bastian with Arcwind: 39 Dmg, 100 Hit, 27 Flare Renning never has anything like this. He's never a demigod that makes all enemies tremble in fear. ----------------------------- Bastian: 20/20/15 Archsage HP: 46.3/50 Str: 21.9/23 Mag: 36.5/40 Skl: 30.5/34 Spd: 26.0/32 Lck: 23.0/30 Def: 21.2/24 Res: 34.5/36 Shove, Corrosion, Flare, Adept, Shade Since you have tons and tons of skills to throw around, and most people don't need Shade or Adept, he can have both to boost his offense and durability. Generals HP: 48-50 Atk Spd: 23-25 Def: 29-31 Res: 20-23 Crit Evd: 25-26 Renning doubles these, but Bastian one-rounds with Adept or Flare and Renning also needs a skill to activate in order to one-round, IIRC. Hammer, maybe? Didn't check. Sages HP: 41-43 Atk Spd: 22-24 Def: 17-20 Res: 24-26 Crit Evd: 19-21 Renning doesn't double half of these. Bastian one-rounds with either skill activating and is more durable from Res and WTA. Snipers HP: 48 Atk Spd: 26-27 Def: 23 Res: 17-18 Crit Evd: 23-24 Renning doesn't double these, so Bastian clearly wins offense by a lot. Lekain HP: 47 STR: 21 MAG: 35 SKL: 28 SPD: 25 LUK: 25 DEF: 20 +3 RES: 34 Rexaura, Rewarp Shove, Corona Cover then gives him 33 Def, so, so much for the big Def/Res gap. Bastian has WTA and will one-round with Flare. Renning will double, but he loses durability by a lot and can't use a h4x weapon like Bastian can. Rexcalibur ftw. During the entire final, Bastian can use high level staves to heal and support your party. He can also use seige tomes and do gay stuff like one-round Levail with one. Bastian >>> Renning. Yes, Bastian is better than the lord he serves, lol. |
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| +Mike Hunt | Dec 21 2007, 08:16 PM Post #3 |
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That's nice. Too bad that after this point the raepage comes to an abrupt halt.
ORLY?
Renning with hammer: 148 hit; 39-41 power. His hit with everyone at neutral biorhythm is around 80, but you've also got a billion people with leadership stars by now, so it can very easily be substantially higher than that. He can deal with the generals effectively.
Renning one rounds all of these. I dunno how you figured that 29 speed doesn't double 24, but it does. <_< He one rounds with any silver weapon or any steel weapon not called Steel Sword (and the 43 HP ones don't get one rounded with Steel Axe).
Are you sure about that? Bastian at level 13 we'll say with Rexcalibur has ~30 attack on them. Renning at level 16 with Vague Katti has 28 attack on them. The leg up Renning has is Killer weapons, which he could equip for a higher critical rate, to increase his chances of a OHKO. Or he could take a Brave weapon for a higher chance of activating Sol or any other skills he has. There are only two snipers on the map from the start, so this isn't really a big deal anyhow. The map is largely sages, bishops and generals, all of which Renning can one round. Next, on to the bosses.
Now here's where Renning pwns you, with a skill that was my personal favourite this time when clearing the endgame.  PARITY Parity knocks out the +10 def that cover provides. It ALSO prevents him from being raped by Corona. Renning is free to one round with Vague Katti (28 * 2 @ 100% accuracy if both have neutral biorhythm), or any silver weapon that isn't a silver sword. Brave weapons as well rape, steel poleax, etc. You get the point, he can easily one round Lekain. Seeing as this isn't 4-F-5, there's no competition whatsoever for Parity, so Renning can easily nab one, and then take something like Daunt, Vantage, Provoke, Corrosion, Cancel, etc. Renning clearly wins against the Lekain, and is overall the superior contender in this part of the chapter. He can one round the vast majority of enemies via his Hammer without relying on minimal percentages for skills like Bastian, and one rounds both bosses as well, not that Hetzel really matters since he can't attack.
While Bastian can use staves, it's a given that your main healer will be Micaiah, with the Fortify staff. 5 uses + an extra 12 from Hammerne = Micaiah can use Fortify basically every turn for the final without worrying about its durability. Micaiah's healing ability completely outclasses Bastian's, as his staff level caps at A, where as Micaiah's goes all the way up to SS. Micaiah also loves the exp, given that she just promoted, where as Bastian doesn't have this dire need to level up. Apart from this, we have sleep, silence and restore staffs, which are all really situational, and unlock for getting the one chest in 4-F-1. As for Levail, Bastian will not have the speed to double, and will again be relying on small chances of a skill activating. Renning won't be doing so well either, so eh.
I THINK NOT! The next part of the chapter's fairly straight forward; a big open space flooded with almost entirely physical units in which you have to fight while Ike deals with the Black Knight. By this point, Bastian will be level 15 or so, so he'll have 26 speed. This in itself is a problem for him - the swordmasters in this level have 30-31 speed. He can get doubled easily, and nearly one rounded if he's not fully healed, especially with the abundance of silver blades/swords/steel blades. Renning, on the other hand, does not have this problem. His base speed is sufficient to not be doubled by any enemy in this chapter. To improve his durability, Renning also has access to Imbue, restoring 18 HP (at least) every turn. This, combined with the crazy terrain features of the tower, and other factors which I will touch on in a little bit, can make him completely invincible for the rest of the game. Apart from his amazing magic combined with imbue, Renning also his amazing affinity, the best in the game, earth, to bolster his durability. Every support he gains will provide an extra 7.5 evasion at least. Another unit that joins along with Renning at the start of the endgame is Caineghis, who also has the earth affinity. Obviously both of them won't have any supports yet, so the two would willingly take each other for the h4x evade, +15 per level. The two will both be frontlining, and zipping around the battlefield with this massive movement, so they have no problems staying together. On top of this, both have a ton of leadership stars as well. If they're hanging out together a lot, which they likely will be if you're supporting him, then Caineghis will provide Renning with +25 hit and evade, and Renning will provide him (and other surrounding units) with +20 hit and evade. He can make other units around him better just in being fielded, something Bastian cannot do. On top of this, unless I'm mistaken, 4-F-2 is of the earth affinity, so Renning also get another free +5 hit and evade. Yay. Assuming Renning levels up twice in part 1, he'll look like this in part 2: Level 18 HP: 56.8 Str: 32.2 Mag: 18.2 Skl: 33 Spd: 29.8 Lck: 24.2 Def: 28.4 + 3 (Vague Katti) Res: 23.4 With his C support with the Lion King and his chapter affinity bonus, his base evade will be 103.8. Everything will have ~40-50 hit on him, obviously with things varying with biorhythm. +25% evade from Caineghis' leadership stars. Now, what can Bastian do to match this evasion? Nothing. He's got one of the worst affinities in the game, wind, which provides a pathetic +2.5% evade and hit per level, plus his partner's bonuses as well. He try to pick up Calill or something starting in 4-5, since she'd provide him good bonuses, and, at least from my experience, she seems to have troubles finding a support partner before 4-F anyhow. At any rate, +1 attack, +2.5 hit and +5 evasion isn't going to be matching Renning's impregnable durability at all. Versus Levail, Renning will be able to double, where as Bastian could attack from afar with Blizzard or something. Because Levail is standing on Cover, unless Renning forgoes his support bonuses and Imbue and keeps Parity, Bastian will be doing better than him. Oh well, Renning's better against all the other enemies anyhow. I don't have any stats speed-wise for this chapter, but I do remember that Soren with 30 speed was only doubling the slowest of enemies, armours and some warriors, as well as the bishops, so Renning will likely fare better against them than Bastian. He has his hammer still (if both haven't been exhausted by now) for the armours, and Vague Katti or Silver Sword/Blade for against the Warriors. Bastian, on the other hand, can only sit and hope for Adept to activate. Flare won't be doing enough damage against a number of the enemies, taking them down to critical HP, but not OHKOing. I'd go on to the next part, but since we only have one chapter in our debaet, I figured I should hold some stuff back. o_o So, in conclusion, so far: - Renning one rounds almost every enemy in 4-F-1 - Renning doesn't have to worry about getting doubled and raeped by swordmasters in 4-F-2 - Renning has the best affinity in the game - Renning makes other units better with his leadership stars - Renning can have amazing durability via Imbue - Renning is a prime candidate for support with what is one of the best units you have for the endgame, which makes them both invincible - Renning has access to brave/killer weapons for moar raepage - Renning gets to boss Bastian around Where as... - Bastian has to rely on low skill activation percentages to get kills most of the time - Bastian rarely doubles (without adept) - Bastian is doubled sometimes - Bastian has a terrible affinity - Bastian has no leadership stars - Bastian is Renning's bsh - Bastian can use staffs, but the main healer will be outclassing him via Fortify, rendering his healing worthless. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 17 2008, 01:54 AM Post #4 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Too bad Renning never has anything like this, as I said.
You know what, I never saw leadership stars do anything, even when someone's profile says that person is their commander. Either it doesn't show up in the stats or it doesn't exist. He can deal with them if two ~80's hit, huh? That's not exactly that impressive given the single RN system, and he has to take a counter, which is really bad for him against the sword using ones, and even the axe using ones.
Naw, what happened is that I mixed up the Res and Spd. Renning wins offense, Bastian wins durability.
He's not level 13. Considering how he pwns the previous chapter so massively and it has tons of EXP, he'll gain 5 levels, and BEXP exists to pump him up by like 99 EXP before it begins even. He hasn't take any resources yet, so he deserves it. Yes, there are few Snipers, but they still exist. They won't attack Bastian since he counters them, anyways.
Most of the time, Lekain is hiding behind walls and can only be attacked at range, at which case Renning offense is garbage while Bastian's doesn't fail. There's plenty of competition for Parity. Anyone that needs the EXP from boss-kills wants it, and units that can't take biorythm hits, like Evd-reliant ones.
Wtf? You only need that staff when you're fighting Ashera. You may have already used the Hammerne once or twice on weapons, especially the good spells. It doesn't matter is Micaiah's healing is better. You need way more than one healer in this ginormous chapter, and Bastian does it very well. Sleep and Silence PWN in this chapter. Putting Dragons/bosses to sleep = w1n. You finally have decent uses for them. One person outclassing him in staff usage = lol. It doesn't matter. And... 20/20/1 Micaiah: 32 Mag 20/20/15 Bastian: 36.5 Mag Who's outclassing who, hmm? Bastian clearly has the upper hand initially, and that won't go away for a while.
Reyson can chant for him. It often takes more than one person to do it, and Bastian can be one of them. Point is, Renning can't attack from 10 spaces away without moving an inch. That's awesome.
It sure seems like it. Entirely physical units ftw! Bastian gets to rape their lower Res with h4x spells. He'll be level 17 or so, nub. You're underleveling him. He won't be getting doubled. There's also lots of units with ranged weaponry in this chapter. Bastian will counter them while Renning will not. Also, on the enemy phase, they may even ignore him entirely and he'll win durability. Even better, he can sit back and be a dedicated healer with his gigantic Mag stat and add to the team's durability while not being in any danger himself. Bastian is crushing Renning in durability so badly when you consider that.
To improve Bastian's durability, he has the ability to stand behind everyone and just heal, increasing the team's durability and making himself unkillable. You have two Imbue scrolls, IIRC, and Tauroneo, Titania, Marcia, and other units with good Mag will want it. If Renning is so durable, why would he need to take it from units with less Def? Renning can stand back and still be useful. Bastian can, and he adds to the team's durability while doing it. Bastian's the invincible one.
His affinity doesn't mean jack when he joins only in the final chapter. He'll be lucky to score any supports at all since almost everyone is full. His only hope for this is indeed Caineghis, but unless they stand adjacent a lot, it's not happening. Again, I never noticed the leadership stars doing anything at all. I tested it today and nothing ever changed. Am I a noob?
I didn't know they were set like that. I'm sure one of the chapters will have Bastian's affinity, anyways.
Please do. I are lazy.
Congrats. He one-rounds Generals if he connects two ~80's and he has to take a counter. Neither does Bastian. Too bad he has no time to support people. I never noticed this affecting anything for some reason. Bastian can have amazing durability by not fighting, and then increase the team's durability via healing. Caineghis is already crazy durable, and the support builds slowly and it starts only in the final. Point conceded. Renning would be long dead if not for Bastian.
Not all the time, but he has more than one skill stacked anyways. Ohnoez, instead he either heals or does huge damage in one hit. Or not, since he shouldn't be within range of Swordmasters if he has 4 less Spd than them. Who cares? It's not like either of our units gets to do much for supports...well, Bastian has more time by a little bit. Big deal. Again, Renning's lucky to even be alive, and it's due to Bastian. That's not true, as shown. |
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