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Topic Started: Dec 21 2007, 10:36 AM (1,093 Views)
VincentASM	Dec 21 2007, 10:36 AM Post #1
Posts: 449 Group: FEFFer Member #109 Joined: June 10, 2005	I thought I'd seperate this from the tactics thread. Perhaps a pin? ^^;;; Lyn Hard mode Code: CH Max Turns Minimum Exp Funds 5* 4* 3* 2* 5* 4* 3* 2* P 5 6 7 8 100 80 60 40 1060 1 7 8 9 10 200 180 160 140 14801 2 7 8 9 10 200 180 160 140 300 3 7 8 9 10 300 280 260 240 3290 4 8 9 10 11 450 430 410 390 270 5 4 5 6 6 250 230 210 190 1460 6 7 8 9 10 250 230 210 190 18030 7 6 7 8 9 350 330 310 290 2190 7x 7 8 9 10 450 430 410 390 44502 8 7 8 9 10 500 480 460 440 1800 9 8 9 10 11 650 630 610 590 1430 10 12 13 14 15 450 430 410 390 8000 1 1940 for Normal mode 2 3250 for Normal mode Eliwood/Hector Normal Mode Code: CH Max Turns Minimum Exp Funds E H 5* 4* 3* 2* 5* 4* 3* 2* 11 -- 7 9 11 13 350 300 250 200 26000 -- 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 12 9 11 13 15 500 450 400 300 15000 13 13 10 12 14 16 650 600 550 500 5700 13x 13x 7 7 7 7 650 600 550 500 6200 14 14 12 14 16 18 900 850 800 750 13000 -- 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 16 10 12 14 16 1100 1050 1000 950 34500 16 17 17 19 21 23 1100 1050 1000 950 32500 16x 17x 5 7 9 11 650 600 550 500 16000 17 18 7 9 10 11 950 900 850 800 25500 18 19 10 12 14 16 900 850 800 750 21500 18x 19x 10 12 14 16 1050 1000 950 900 8000 -- 19xx 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 20 10 12 14 16 1700 1650 1600 1550 49000 20 21 5 7 9 11 950 900 850 800 21000 21 22 5 7 9 11 1150 1100 1050 1000 52500 22 23 9 11 13 15 1000 950 900 850 91000 22x 23x 21 23 25 27 650 600 550 500 19000 23A 24A 13 15 17 19 1750 1700 1650 1600 40500 23B 24B 13 15 17 19 1400 1350 1300 1250 37500 -- 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 26 11 11 11 11 1000 950 900 850 73500 25A 27A 14 16 18 20 1250 1200 1150 1100 45000 25B 27B 22 24 26 28 1800 1750 1700 1650 46000 26 28 20 22 24 26 2550 2500 2450 2400 61000 26x 28x 10 12 14 16 1900 1850 1800 1750 99500 27 29 18 20 22 24 3150 3100 3050 3000 46000 28 -- 9 11 13 15 850 800 750 700 22000 -- 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 31 14 16 18 20 1700 1650 1600 1550 101000 29x 31x 5 5 5 5 0 0 0 0 31000 30 32 13 15 17 19 5000 4950 4900 4850 50000 -- 32x 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 F1 F1 9 11 13 15 3300 3250 3200 3150 150000 F2 F2 1 3 5 7 200 150 100 50 0 23A = Lloyd 23B = Linus 25A/27A = Kenneth 25B/27B = Jerme Eliwood/Hector Hard mode Code: CH Max Turns Minimum Exp Funds E H 5* 4* 3* 2* 5* 4* 3* 2* 11 -- 8 10 12 14 450 400 350 300 26000 -- 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 12 8 10 12 14 550 500 450 400 15000 13 13 12 14 16 18 750 700 650 600 4500 13x 13x 7 7 7 7 700 650 600 550 6000 14 14 10 12 14 16 850 800 750 700 12500 -- 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 16 7 9 11 13 1100 1050 1000 950 31000 16 17 18 20 22 24 1100 1050 1000 950 31500 16x 17x 10 12 14 16 700 650 600 550 16000 17 18 11 11 11 11 1450 1400 1350 1300 14000 18 19 10 12 14 16 1100 1050 1000 950 16000 18x 19x 10 12 14 16 1000 950 900 850 24500 -- 19xx 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 20 16 18 20 22 2100 2050 2000 1950 51500 20 21 9 11 13 15 1200 1150 1100 1050 29000 21 22 11 11 11 11 1700 1650 1600 1550 45000 22 23 9 11 13 15 1200 1150 1100 1050 111000 22x 23x 25 27 29 31 650 600 550 500 19000 23A 24A 11 13 15 17 1650 1600 1550 1500 36500 23B 24B 22 24 26 28 1900 1850 1800 1750 41500 -- 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 26 11 11 11 11 1500 1450 1400 1350 62000 25A 27A 18 20 22 24 1550 1500 1450 1400 51000 25B 27B 25 27 29 31 2250 2200 2150 2100 44500 26 28 15 17 19 21 1800 1750 1700 1650 71500 26x 28x 28 30 32 34 2250 2200 2150 2100 94000 27 29 20 22 24 26 3650 3600 3550 3500 36000 28 -- 10 12 14 16 850 800 750 700 7440 -- 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 31 11 11 11 11 2050 2000 1950 1900 45000 29x 31x 5 5 5 5 0 0 0 0 31000 30 32 15 20 25 30 6150 6100 6050 6000 50500 -- 32x 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 F1 F1 8 10 12 14 2800 2750 2700 2650 150000 F2 F2 2 3 4 5 200 150 100 50 0 23A = Lloyd 23B = Linus 25A/27A = Kenneth 25B/27B = Jerme Explanations Tactics (turns) and Experience scores are totalled and averaged against the total maximum/minimum requirements. For Funds, the final Assets (physical Gold + worth of all items) are averaged against the total Max Funds. If the total Assets are approximately >80% of the total Max Funds, you should get 5 stars. For example: You completed all the chapters in Hector Hard mode and participated in Lloyd's Chapter 24 and Kenneth's Chapter 27. In the end, your total number of turns is 340. Summing up all the 5-star maximum turn (Tactics) requirements gives 317. Your total turns is over this, so you can't get 5 stars. Summing up all the 4-star chapter maximum turn requirements gives 349. Your total turns is under this, so you will get 4 stars. About all or partial 0 values The 0's are not incorrect, but arise (possibly) due to a programming error. If chapters have these, it can be both a blessing or a curse. Basically these chapters don't contribute to the averaged total maximum/minimum requirements. For Funds and Experience this is great, because you don't have to do anything, but anything that you do is beneficial. For Tactics this is bad. I can't think of how to explain, so if you can't see why, consider this prime example: You're playing Hector Normal Mode and you just reached Chapter 15 (skipping Chapter 13x because you're lazy). Up to now you took a total of 31 turns. You'll notice that this value is just within the total 5-star maximum turns requirement (0 + 9 + 10 + 12 = 31) and, looking at your Rankings menu, you do see 5 stars in Tactics so all is well and good. Chapter 15's victory condition is to survive for 7 turns. You look at the 5 star maximum turns requirement for this chapter expecting to see 7 turns, but instead you find it's 0 turns (and the same for 4, 3 or 2 stars). At this point you're either confused or think it's a mistake. However, upon finishing Chapter 15 you find that your Tactics ranking has gone down from 5 stars to 3 stars! Why is this? Up to now your total turns has been 31 + 7 = 38 turns. So far, the total 4-star maximum turns requirement is (0 + 11 + 12 + 14 + 0 =) 37 and the total 3-star maximum turns requirement is (0 + 13 + 14 + 16 + 0 =) 43. So 38 turns is good enough for 3 stars. But that means you were penalised for pretty much no reason... Yes, unfair, but true. To sum up, if you're aiming for a good Tactics score you should either aim to finish these chapters in as few turns as possible (and if possible), or make up in earlier/later chapters. Survival chapters If possible, don't wait them out. At the very end of the chapter, the game counts an extra turn. So if the condition is to survive 11 turns, the game counts 12 turns at the end. However, if you can end the chapter during the player (or enemy?) turn, it won't count the extra turn. Final words Yeah, the last part was mostly c+p'ed from my site. I suck at explaining, so feel free to ask questions. The data was obtained by hacking the game. I did many extensive tests and have come to the conclusion that all the data is accurate, and accurate for all modes. Finally if the code tables are ugly, you can view the HTML tables from the original page.
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Tino	Dec 21 2007, 10:42 AM Post #2
Posts: 158 Group: FEFFer Member #1,594 Joined: December 17, 2007	Where did you get this? If you want to know why I want to know, I saw this recently on GameFAQs, where Restrictor13 posted exactly the same. So unless you ARE Restrictor13 you might have just copied it from him. I'm not saying you did, but just to let you know why I asked.



-HJ-	Dec 21 2007, 10:44 AM Post #3
I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead. Posts: 2,087 Group: Veteran Member #912 Joined: August 26, 2006	More like he copied it from Vincent. >_>



VincentASM	Dec 21 2007, 10:49 AM Post #4
Posts: 449 Group: FEFFer Member #109 Joined: June 10, 2005	Actually, we worked on them independently. I don't think Restrictor13 even knows about my work. We both got the data from hacking the game. EDIT Basically I got the idea from Dragon Hellfire's post and started working on the data. When I started I saw Restrictor13 had posted LNM and ENM data at GameFAQs. However before they finished their work I already figured everything out.
	Serenes Forest (Fire Emblem info here~)


-HJ-	Dec 21 2007, 10:51 AM Post #5
I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead. Posts: 2,087 Group: Veteran Member #912 Joined: August 26, 2006	Well, I know who Restrictor is and... he's... not that bright. >_> But maybe he's better with math than with other things.



Tino	Dec 21 2007, 11:05 AM Post #6
Posts: 158 Group: FEFFer Member #1,594 Joined: December 17, 2007	Okay. Just wanted to know. And good job btw!



Mekkah	Dec 21 2007, 11:29 AM Post #7
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	I just finished working on an excel table which should have your tactics limits per chapter, both total and not. I think it looks neat, if I may say so myself. It's based on HHM, taking Linus and Jerme routes (because they've got more lenient limits) and all gaidens. Based on this, it seems taking Genesis is a very good idea (25 turn limit), Night of Farewells too (28 turn limit, you'd probably go there if only for the Fell Contract though), while Value of Life (0 turns) and A Glimpse in Time (0 turns) both hurt. It seems that on average, to stay within the limit of every chapter, you'd have to take about 10 turns for each map, while the total amount of turns for 5 stars seems to be 335. Megaupload EDIT: Forgot to add calculations into the cells



VincentASM	Dec 21 2007, 11:43 AM Post #8
Posts: 449 Group: FEFFer Member #109 Joined: June 10, 2005	I'll do a quick HHM run with those chapters, to check if the total is correct.
	Serenes Forest (Fire Emblem info here~)


Blackbird	Dec 21 2007, 12:42 PM Post #9
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	Hey, thanks for posting this! This is really useful information. Expanding on this, how does the Funds rating work, exactly? Does the stated Funds value compare to the amount of gold you have as "liquid assets", or is it derived somehow from the gear and items you have in the convoy? I'm pretty sure I've actually lost funds ranking by selling gems to get gold before.



VincentASM	Dec 21 2007, 01:06 PM Post #10
Posts: 449 Group: FEFFer Member #109 Joined: June 10, 2005	Funds measures Assets, which is the combination of physical Gold and worth of all items. EDIT Up to Kinship's Bonds and all the HHM turn values look good. The only problem is that I seem to be off by 2 points all the time (since I started counting). I could have miscounted one of my turns early on- we'll see when I get to the Epilogue :S EDIT2 Oh, I know why and it's kind of stupid >___< On survival chapters, it counts the very end as an extra turn... I think I'll finish right here. That's enough testing I think. Code: CH E H 5* MY TURNS -- 11 0 1 12 12 8 1 13 13 12 1 13x 13x 7 7 <- 5 STARS AT END 10/27 (SURVIVAL CHAPTER THAT I WAITED- ADD 1 TURN) 14 14 10 1 <- 5 STARS AT END 11/37 -- 15 0 7 <- 5 STARS AT END 18/37 (SURVIVAL CHAPTER THAT I WAITED- ADD 1 TURN) 15 16 7 1 <- 5 STARS AT END 19/44 16 17 18 41<- 5 STARS AT END 60/62 JUST (Eh?) 16x 17x 10 10<- 5 STARS AT END 70/72 JUST 17 18 11 1 <- 5 STARS AT END 71/83 18 19 10 5 <- 5 STARS AT END 76/93 18x 19x 10 25 <- 5 STARS AT END 101/103 JUST -- 19xx 0 1 <- 4 STARS AT END 102/103 (Hmm...) 19 20 16 15 <- 5 STARS AT END 117/119 JUST 20 21 9 9 <- 5 STARS AT END 126/128 JUST (MISCOUNTED MY TURNS EARLY ON?) 21 22 11 11 <- 5 STARS AT END 137/139 (4 STARS IF YOU WAIT THE CHAPTER OUT) EDIT3 So my initial estimate of 310 was pretty good. 317 if you count the Kenneth and Lloyd chapters (I think I picked the first ones originally). Now I need to minus 7 for those survival/turn limit chapters: 1 Peddler Merlinus 2 Ch 15 Hector 3 Pirate ship 4 Protect Nils 5 Against Vaida 6 Protect Zephiel 7 Denning chapter 8 Battle preparations I might have finished one of those early. Can't remember (probably the pirate ship, as you can't hide) XD
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Mekkah	Dec 21 2007, 05:35 PM Post #11
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	The limit for the survival/protect chapters always seems to be equal to the amount of turns they take (most of them are either 7 or 11)...so when you say that it counts the very end as another turn, does that mean you're guaranteed to have an effective 1 turn loss anyway? i.e. Talons Alight has a limit of 7 and takes 7 turns, but the game counts 8 to your progress? EDIT: Oh cool, your site says beating the boss deletes the extra turn. So that's where that myth came from ("if you don't beat the boss you don't get the tactics point"). This would almost be a reason to take on Vaida in Unfulfilled Heart, but she's damn hard to beat and the Spear she comes with in Cog of Destiny is worth 9000G. Even if you obtain the one in Unfulfilled Heart via the Mine Glitch it's only worth 1500G according to this. However, if you'd like a turn added to your tactics then I suppose you should go and figure out how to kill Puzon (ouch), Sealen (free Dragonshield too) and Ursula (I always did that anyway). Pirate Ship and Kinship's Bond are more like normal chapters with the goal "kill boss" to end the chapter except that if you really suck it ends at a certain turn # and in Kinship's Bond you can't let them to Nils.



VincentASM	Dec 21 2007, 05:45 PM Post #12
Posts: 449 Group: FEFFer Member #109 Joined: June 10, 2005	Yeah, Talons Alight would count 8. I don't know if it would physically show 8 during the Epilogue, but that's what it counts for Rankings. EDIT It does show XD
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C475_1337	Dec 21 2007, 06:14 PM Post #13
One serious d00d Posts: 1,863 Group: FEFFer Member #902 Joined: August 26, 2006	Hm. If you do well enough on tactics throughout the rest of the game, something like limited arena abuse in PoB becomes possible.
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Mekkah	Dec 21 2007, 06:14 PM Post #14
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	Haha. Also, when adding up the Lyn Mode funds, I get: Hard Mode: 43760 Normal Mode: 43020 740G difference, and then you get an extra Iron Sword in Normal for 460G, so you have 1100G more if you play Normal Mode. If the only rank you care about is funds and that extra ~1k makes a difference on whether you can afford to use the Knight Crest, Angelic Robe and/or Energy Ring, then Lyn Normal is a viable option (though the tutorial is gay). I know for a fact that using only one of these will usually net you an A in funds as long as you don't use the others (and obviously don't use Short Bow/Armorslayer/Lancereaver etc), so if this 1k makes enough of a difference and you can use two of them now, Also Vincent you did some awesome work here. CATS Hm. If you do well enough on tactics throughout the rest of the game, something like limited arena abuse in PoB becomes possible. It's pretty hard to estimate how you're going to do throughout Ch18-Ch32 and you also don't have Ninian (who has the rings AND move again, which is sex) and you don't have more than one flier (which is required to keep the ring effect if you're into that, but also helps a lot with rescue chains to make maximum use of the arena). I'd say Four Fanged Offense Linus makes the best chapter for some arena abuse if any: it's the last real counting arena, so you should know how you're doing, you have Ninian in full glory, you have access to not one but three fliers, you can bring a hell lot of more people than in PoB (including Isadora as an extra mounted unit to rescue) and you have better unit flexibility in general, because in PoB you need everything you got against these pirates, while FFO Linus is a pretty easy chapter.



C475_1337	Dec 21 2007, 07:33 PM Post #15
One serious d00d Posts: 1,863 Group: FEFFer Member #902 Joined: August 26, 2006	Yeah, FFO sounds like a much better candidate.
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