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| Linus/Lloyd and Jerme/Kenneth; Which do you want to go to? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 25 2007, 08:58 AM (192 Views) | |
| Mekkah | Dec 25 2007, 08:58 AM Post #1 |
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I've been thinking a bit which route would be more beneficial to take, and if they're worth changing your team or play for. Four Fanged Offense 24 Lloyd has a limit of 11 turns. 24 Linus has a limit of 22 turns. So if both maps were equally quick to complete, then it would be preferable to take Linus over Lloyd. However, the goal of both chapters is to kill the boss, and Lloyd happens to move toward you quite quickly while Linus is stationary. So the Lloyd version is considerably shorter - if the difference is less than 10 turns (likely) then Linus will still be better for tactics, but I doubt the difference is that great. Linus version gives you Geitz, who is awesome, and Lloyd version gives you Wallace, who is quite the opposite. The items you get are (iirc) the same, the funds and EXP requirements differ a little (Linus requires a little more for both: 5k in funds and 350 EXP) To get to Linus' map, you have to powerlevel all of your lords. The sum of their levels has to be 50 or higher. That means that on average two of them must reach 17 (one can be 16). The absolute minimum for each of them is 10, and having one at 10 means the other two must be at 20. Eliwood has to grow one level per chapter up to this point, assuming you field him always and you go to all gaidens including 19xx. Eliwood is autofielded in 12, 13, 13x, 20, 22. Hector can grow slightly less than one level per chapter assuming you go to all these gaidens, and he is autofielded always. Lyn has 11 Lyn Mode chapters and 12 HHM chapters. Assuming she manages to get to L9 in her own mode, then she has these 12 chapters to grow 8 more levels. Lyn is autofielded in 16, 20 and 22. Now, beyond the numbers: I can say from my own experience that getting the lords to this high of a level at this point of the game is not something I'd do if it weren't for this requirement. Lyn is a unit that starts decent and then turns into wet paper except without reliable dodge, and that I usually do not even want to promote. Eliwood starts as absolute shit - he's great once promoted and all, but early on he really isn't worth a lot. Using Hector obviously cannot be a bad thing, except that he doesn't promote until a full 6 big maps later than 23x. Obviously, having your lords with some levels is nice for these chapters where they're forced into (like Ch26 with Vaida). But it also takes away resources from others. Obviously EXP and therefore levels and stats, but also spots in chapters. Some chapters allow very few units where fielding Eliwood/Lyn is not the greatest idea. Best example is Port of Badon, which allows 4 units + Hector. Lyn is somewhat plausible to field there since she doubles some pirates and damages the Paladin (provided she lives to see the end of it), but Eliwood is undesirable when I would rather use that place for a unit that can double (Guy), that can attack ranged (Erk), heal (Priscilla), gain a bunch of EXP (Raven) or reach villages and Fargus quickly (Florina). Indeed, I can't even do all of that with the spots I got, and then I have to sacrifice one or two extra spots for Eliwood and Lyn. Lame. So overall, is Linus really superior? + higher lords = better time in Unfulfilled Heart, Final chapter, etc + Geitz >>>> Wallace + little quicker for tactics + No Fog of War I guess - more EXP and funds required - Lyn is ass later on - Eliwood is ass early on - Lords promote late - EXP is distributed in an undesirable way - Spots in chapters with low limits are distributed in an undesirable way Pale Flower of Darkness I don't feel like writing a lot more but...to go to Jerme, the total level of Hero Crest units has to be higher than the total level of Guiding Ring units excluding Canas. Let's look at their base levels first. Dorcas: 3 Bartre: 2 Guy: 3 Raven: 5 Total: 13 Erk: 1 Serra: 1 Priscilla: 3 Lucius: 3 Total: 8 Dorcas is the only Hero Crester with Lyn Mode under his belt. There's three of those in the Guiding Ring pool. Then the Guiding Ring people all have staff EXP after promotion (and Ch27 is late enough to assume that they've had plenty of time for that), so if you were to use an equal amount of each of these on your team, then usually Guiding Ringers wins the tiebreaker quite easily, methinks. Tier-wise, Erk and Serra are generally considered awesome, Lucius decent at least (on par with Erk in most ways), and while Priscilla has durability issues she's been considered godly for ages as well. Guy and Raven are godly, then Dorcas is kind of mid and Bartre has a very rough start and becomes...a slightly faster Dorcas, afaik. Not bad by any means, but I think overall the Guiding Ring people are better units, if only because of healing. So Jerme version needs to have something awesome over Kenneth to warrant a visit.. Tactics Kenneth - 18 Jerme - 25 Note that Kenneth generally takes shorter though since all you have to do is seize the throne, while in Jerme you need to hunt down every single enemy. There's also a ton of doors to open and stuff. Then again Jerme is totally void of the annoying long-range magic and Jerme himself is a pretty retarded boss while Kenneth is somewhat threatening. Then, for Kenneth version, you need to kill a certain few promoted units (3-4 I believe) to unlock Harken, who is generally considered better than Karel. In Jerme, you need to open a bunch of doors which I've heard is a pain to do. Jerme also requires 700 more EXP and about 6500G more for funds. So in conclusion, I think it's Lloyd -> Kenneth for me. |
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| Blackbird | Dec 25 2007, 07:24 PM Post #2 |
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I think you are mistaken here. As far as I know, you don't have to do anything to make Harken appear on Jerme's map... it's Karel that needs 4 doors opened in order to appear. So if your objective is to obtain Harken, it's very simple to get him on Jerme's map... just don't open too many doors too quickly. To be honest, I've never seen Kenneth's map... my healers always seem to lag behind (I got some good advice for this on another topic though...) and so going to Jerme's map is usually a given... which isn't a bad thing. The drops for these maps -are- slightly different. On Kenneth's map, I believe you recieve an Aura tome, whereas on Jerme's map you get a Light Brand. The value of these items will depend on who you use the most, I suppose... if you really loved Lucius/Serra, then maybe you like Aura more (and are probably going to Kenneth's map anyway, haha). Also of note is that it's the only Aura in the game, whereas if you miss the Light Brand here, there is another to be found elsewhere. Of course, your light mages already have a ranged attack, whereas Light Brand adds a 1~2 rng option for units restricted to sword only (swordmaster, assassin, etc...). As for Linus vs. Lloyd, my instinct is simply to say Linus first because the overall outcome of the maps is similar, Linus' map has no fog of war, and Geitz is cooler than Wallace (maybe even usable!) |
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| Former Guest | Dec 25 2007, 09:41 PM Post #3 |
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I call euphemising shenanigans! Wallace is horrendous. Geitz is usable and moar, an excellent unit who auto-saves you a Hero Crest. I agree that Aura > extra Light Brand, though. Aura makes a better secondary nuking weapon in Lucius/lategame Serra's inventories with its decent boost to crit than the Light Brand does in anyone's. What's more, this is a scenario where promoting all four of those magicians seems way more practical and doable to me in-game than promoting any more than three of the Hero Cresters (who out there is honestly motivated to train Bartre that far?). |
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| Blackbird | Dec 26 2007, 12:06 AM Post #4 |
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People that really love Karla =P? |
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| Mekkah | Dec 26 2007, 05:30 AM Post #5 |
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True true, mistake there. The items are indeed different...I recall that Aura is worth a lot more than Light Brand in gold but then you also get some different items (Blue Gem + Short Spear vs a White Gem or something...don't recall exactly). I think neither are really useful though. Aura is really heavy and Serra is never going to get an A in Light magic...if she could get an A at that point in a ranked game then she's obviously been neglecting healing. It also costs her 10 AS. Lucius can't really afford to lose 9 AS either, his avoid already is mediocre as it is. Light Brand gives people like Guy and Matthew a ranged option...one at half power hitting Res that cannot critical though. How very lame. |
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| Blackbird | Dec 26 2007, 01:28 PM Post #6 |
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Mekkah, do you know if the Bolting Tome appears on both the Jerme and Kenneth maps? |
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| Mekkah | Dec 26 2007, 03:31 PM Post #7 |
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It's dropped by a Mage in Kenneth (though I played that on HNM last time so I can't be sure), don't know about Jerme but my guess is that it's in a chest. |
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| Barst | Dec 26 2007, 07:14 PM Post #8 |
Like I said before... I am perfect.
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Yeah, it's in a chest. Oh, and isn't it Jerme's map the Short Spear appears in? |
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| Blackbird | Dec 27 2007, 12:13 AM Post #9 |
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Yeah, I was just thinking that's probably a more important item, being the only long range, direct damage tome in the game, but if both maps have it, it doesn't matter. |
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| Light Yagami | Dec 27 2007, 02:05 AM Post #10 |
Time is money and money is power. So, of course my ultimate goal is to have power over time
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I hate fog and Karel...my choices are obvious now, right? |
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