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| Part I Tier List; For starters of the game! | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 29 2007, 10:23 PM (1,486 Views) | |
| Sentenal | Jan 10 2008, 01:38 PM Post #16 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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I'm unable to actually form my own opinion of Aran myself, since I killed him rather than recruited him. But it seems like with the Dawn Brigade being so frail, and Aran being something of a tank, he would be useful there. Laura heals, but is also a piece of glass, and vulneraries/Micaiah are around. So yeah, I'd agree with her going down alot. |
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| Former Guest | Jan 10 2008, 07:22 PM Post #17 |
 
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Aran and Laura are like the epitome of throwaway, and you have control of them from the start, practically. :lol: Pathetic. Some of the characters who only show up during part 4 naturally wind up more in shape for the Tower of Guidance - discounting Tormod, Lucia, Oliver etc. And yes, I know, one part doesn't count for everything (but it secures a high foothold for someone like Zihark, who settles for being a craftily mediocre swordmaster this time around - less in other words). |
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| Sarah | Jan 12 2008, 11:03 AM Post #18 |
~ La dee dum dee dum.
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Vika is awesome, use her I really do mean it she is like one of the best characetrs in the game. Not only is she a dodge queen and ALMOST NEVER gets hit once she learns the tear ability and that she even more inevitible with supports! She is a character that is worth raising as she will have better avoid than Naesala and that she is one of the only characters in the game that will cap in every stat. Actually by the end of the game she capped in every stat except luck. But her luck as at like 30 though! Use her always! She is one of the only few characters in the game that does not have any bad growths in anything. She is certainly a great asset for the final five chapters as she will almost never get hit and that her tear ability activates just as much as Naesala's. Very late joining time yes, but with the Pargon skill you can easily get her to level 30 by the end of Chapter 4-4! But the only thing about her is that she has a little less HP than Naesala but who cares when she can dodge better than most characters in the game. And upon average, she will have around 50/52 HP by the time that she reaches LV30! And for this I am going to bump her into God Tier! She incredibly deserves it! I should bump Zihark up ahead of Edward, as he does excel alot more RES,speed,and luck. Less power but so what, Edward doesn't grow any good Mag Defense, as for Zihark actually having a 15% higher chance to grow Res than Edward and that also he is not a pain to train like Edward! In my opinion Zihark is the absolute best fencer in the game!!!!! |
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| ~Maverick~ | Jan 16 2008, 08:34 PM Post #19 |
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A Part 1 tier list should not have spoilers in the first paragraph. Why don't we just mark this as the spoiler free newbie help thread but spoil the true manipulator of FE9/10 while we are at it? Aran is useful, but his speed is a drawback until you can get some good BEXP into him. Vika really only has use killing the wyverns in part 1 chapter 8- which is hard for her to do anyway. Otherwise, she sucks. Now, if her beak used magic to attack and she had a lower cap... |
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| AdamNW | Jan 16 2008, 11:35 PM Post #20 |
Needs moar Sety
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yeah, WTF @ spoiling the entire Daein plot. |
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| Sarah | Jan 17 2008, 12:12 AM Post #21 |
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~ La dee dum dee dum.
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*Spoiler Removed!* Whoops!
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 17 2008, 12:16 AM Post #22 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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-High Tier- Sothe Nailah Black Knight Nolan Rafiel Laura Tauroneo -Mid Tier- Zihark Micaiah Tormod Volug Muarim Jill Aran Vika -Low Tier- Ilyana Edward Leonardo Fiona Meg My rushed thoughts. |
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| Paperblade | Jan 24 2008, 06:36 PM Post #23 |
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I can't see Tauroneo that high. He's only in 2 chapters, and in one of them he has terrain problems because it costs Generals 3 to move over Thickets and 2 for everyone else. Yeah, he's pretty much invincible when you do have him, but he's not around that long. |
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| AdamNW | Jan 24 2008, 11:31 PM Post #24 |
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Needs moar Sety
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Part 1 tier list should include Chapter 3-6, 3-11, and 3-12 too, so it's actually four. Edward should be above Ilyana since he has that one long-named sword during part 3. Nolan should go above BK for the same reason. Laura above Rafiel for existing in part 3 if needed, Tormod below Volug for only being in three chapters. |
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| smash fanatic | Jan 28 2008, 04:50 AM Post #25 |
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Interesting. Could you post the link? |
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| Paperblade | Jan 30 2008, 04:31 PM Post #26 |
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Reikken's argument consists of Laura being frail and Micaiah being able to do the same thing (every other turn and at the cost of Vulneraries, which are more expensive than Heal Staves, but he downplays that). He conveniently ignores that <10HP Micaiah is even more frail than full HP Laura, and 2 healers, especially in the Dawn Brigade where enemy hit rates are high, is much better than 1, especially one that uses lowers her own HP to do so. I could see Micaiah above Laura, but not this huge gap like he suggests. |
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| Former Guest | Jan 31 2008, 03:23 PM Post #27 |
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So, it seems the basis of your rebuttals are two-fold: i) she doesn't lose so badly to Micaiah within the Dawn Brigade, and ii) two healers on standby for that problematic army > one (or one and trash filler like Leonardo in the vacant slot instead). If both points make you feel better about pouring experience into her long-term, sure, whatever. I won't dispute either. Just don't forget to include iii) not draining combat EXP from anyone as a priest. In any case, neither changes the reality of the distinct gap between Micaiah (or Elincia, or Mist, or Soren, or Pelleas, or Calill, etc.) and Laura. While it may not be gaping huge, it still exists, and Laura really offers nothing, let alone anything unique, to counter it with apart from being there when they aren't or they want to attack instead. Stock healing from a square away ultimately doesn't go so far to complete these games in efficient fashion like offense does. Does she ever have any answer to Thani, for example? No, not even close. Howsabout a weapon rank that doesn't take an eternity and then some to be optimal? No. Or a mount? No. Is there some complication that intervenes, any good reason not to humor this Laura for the DB chapters before ditching her promptly by Act IV (as with Aran)? Not really. I know the topic is focused on act I when your units are at their weakest, but Reikken gives me the impression that he doesn't really care about one act as a debater. And tbh, neither do I. Act I isn't the entire game.......the big picture, as always, is stuck in the back of my mind and takes precedence. Laura's failings as a long-term investment are so evident I'd be faintly exasperated if I weren't so amused :rolleyes: - they're things as fundamental, as foreheadslap-worthy, as typically falling far short of making it to third tier at a decent time or in other words before thirtysomething other beorc can. Even some terrible below average unit like Lucia with a tenth of her playtime has bragging rights over Laura there. Wonderful. Smash, if you contrive events like Master Crowning her whenever she caprams as both a priest and a bishop, then you not only shave concrete durability off of her but she probably trails in raw stats to others like Micaiah even more. Why not favor her up in vain with BEXP, and Discipline, and Paragon, and stat boosters while you're at it? It's not as if the payoff for all the attention you 'need' to shower her with for the entire game is even really going to amount to much, if anything (in fact, this is all reminding me of another seriously overrated magician named Lugh). The bottom line is that in practice Laura's a resounding disappointment on the whole to me, a throwaway unit as opposed to donotwant or plzthrowout, the sort of unit whose sheer growths/availability I get presented with and wonder wtf went wrong. She never has anything like Tormod's minor pwn in the first place when he was first around, and by the time he returns, she's been warming the bench and spitshining it to make room for him. "But she's the best bishop in the game omg!" - so what? Her would-be competition Rhys and Oliver blow such enormous detrimental cock in-game and shouldn't even be getting used unless you actually enjoy fielding shitty characters at third tier - third tier! - who need Corona to activate or they're still going to miss the one-round/double attack on everything ˜75%/100% of the time. :richie: Laura has got to be my least favorite female ever in the series who's locked to light magic and staves - and that's by a very considerable margin. |
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| smash fanatic | Feb 2 2008, 06:01 AM Post #28 |
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Here are simple comparisons between Laura and every unit who can eventually use staves, off the top of my head. If you want me to, I can bring up numbers. Micaiah: worst promotion in a US FE ever, plus 35% spd growth = extremely bad. Any earlygame lead Micaiah gets is countered by her lategame fail. Ilyana: Spd almost as bad as Micaiah = phail. She's not even that good at fighting in part 1. Tormod: Starts off better, but then doesn't show up against until late in part 4, where Laura rapes him back since she's third tier (promote her with master crests/crowns when she caps spd) and he's not. Elincia: She rapes about 90% of the units in the game, so her raping Laura is expected. Calill: Her availability is almost as bad as Tormod's, but unlike Tormod, she doesn't have a period of massive rape. Soren: The only non-Top tier staff user who beats Laura. Caps mag, skl, and res at level 10 2nd tier. BEXP him until he caps spd, and then master crown to third tier gets a pretty fast healer. Mist and Rhys: They suck much more than Laura could possibly do in part 1. All three get one-rounded for awhile (Mist and Rhys don't get one-shotted, but are generally slow enough to get doubled anyway). The difference is that they compete with each other for healer spot, while Laura's the only DB healer until Micaiah promotes. Rhys also has LOL spd, almost as bad as Micaiah's, and Mist has fail offense due to using swords and bad str. Pelleas: More bad availability and is underlevelled. woohoo fail. Oliver and Bastian: More lollable spd (Oliver's is completely lollable). more fail Of course, you can say "All staff users except Elincia and maybe Soren phail", and that would be mostly true, but you'd still use them anyway. A unit doesn't need to be good the whole game to be useful, and Volug is living proof of that.
Then it would no longer be a part 1 tier, but an overall tier. Also, Reikken gave me the impression that he was only focusing on part 1. That's why he said... lolwtf @ the idea of Laura being top tier low move, gets doubled by nearly everything, and gets one-shotted by nearly everything Maybe her growths might make her not suck later on, but getting there is the problem, and she sucks beforehand. Vulneraries heal 20 and have 8 uses, and Micaiah can heal ppls, making staves completely nonessential, and you don't really get any staves that do anything but heal hp at 1 range until Micaiah can use staves as well, and Laura dies when sneezed on, so you have to keep her completely out of enemy range at all times, so she's not good at all. He didn't want to look further. It was a part 1 tier list, and he said what was needed for part 1. Laura's growths don't do much in part 1.
Laura's HP growth is 45%, and her def growth is 20%, and her base HP/def suck. She's not missing out on much. Compare that to a 70% spd growth and mag growth. She'd much rather start getting spd and mag again than get more HP and def. Promoting her early also means you save more exp.
I wasn't aware that master crests or crowns was considered massive favoritism, considering that most people don't want to use one (barring level 20 to save a level up, which is retarded when compared to Laura promoting 5-10 levels before that), and you can't even sell crowns for money. BEXP, by the way, isn't favoritism as long as everyone on the team gets an equal amount. Theoretically, the same should apply to paragon (everyone gets equal kills with it), but that's very difficult to measure, so it's probably easier to just keep it out. |
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| +Ema Skye | Feb 2 2008, 01:58 PM Post #29 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Micaiah vs Laura is so slanted. Wtf @ debating it. Bastian = best final chapter healer. He'll go into the final with A Staves and 37 Mag. That's nuts. Saying he fails is pretty silly. |
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| smash fanatic | Feb 19 2008, 02:26 AM Post #30 |
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37? Don't you mean 35? Unless Bastian somehow gets 7 levels. His concrete durability is better than I expected. But he's still pretty slow. |
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