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| Organized Religion is the Bane of Mankind | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 8 2008, 02:49 AM (1,579 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Jan 8 2008, 02:49 AM Post #1 |
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I'd like to open this with my final research paper of the previous semester in college.
Basically, religion has caused far more bad things than good things, and is only in existence due to human's having a desire for immortality through the afterlife and needing some sort of explanation for creation. |
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| Psiwri | Jan 8 2008, 04:47 AM Post #2 |
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And yet without it many people would lose the drive that progresses humanity, it's a vicious loop that wont be leaving us. |
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| Cephas | Jan 8 2008, 09:59 PM Post #3 |
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The Holocaust was jusified by the Nazis from a combination of an atheistic worship of race and the scapegoating of the Jews and other groups for material troubles, not any organized religion. Also, religions are diverse in themselves, so a more effective way to condemn them is to condemn them each individually. |
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| Hospitality | Jan 8 2008, 10:18 PM Post #4 |
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Your Conclusion needs work imo. Though honestly, I'm horrible at them too. |
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| Yzarc | Jan 8 2008, 10:25 PM Post #5 |
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Though I'm pretty sure this isn't here for critique, you used quite a lot of first person in an essay, which isn't allowed unless it's agreed upon by the community that you are an expert on the subject, which I assume you're not. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 8 2008, 10:35 PM Post #6 |
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We were allowed to use first person for our research papers in this class. It's not here for critique. It's here to be debated. I know I'm not that good at papers since I despise doing them. I think religion is a negative in the world, and something that should be discarded. I'm not saying belief in a superpower that made stuff should be discarded, or that we shouldn't think Jesus pwns, but I'm saying organized religion is bad for mankind. |
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| +Punishment Divine | Jan 8 2008, 11:00 PM Post #7 |
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I don't think that it's religion itself that's the problem. Humans just have a natural arrogance about them where they refuse to think anyone else can be right. If wars or anything of the sort didn't happen because of religion, it would have occurred from anything ranging from belief in one political system to whether Burger King makes a better burger than McDonald's or not. It just so happens that religion is one of the more near and dear things to us, and we're willing to fight for our beliefs and do anything to "prove" we're right. |
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| Shinobi | Jan 9 2008, 12:50 AM Post #8 |
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i agree with that. the idea of religeon is not in itself bad. but rather, the people that corrupt the religeon's good name. they use religeon to control people. if you want to know more about a religeon, dont just speculate and go by what people tell you. the true examples of that religeon are in their koran or bible or whatever holy book they posses. |
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| Laharl | Jan 9 2008, 03:15 AM Post #9 |
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I agree with the last paragraph. Its not religion thats bad, just people that twist it to get what they want. Thats the whole problem. The fault lies with people, not religion. |
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| +Reaver | Jan 9 2008, 06:54 AM Post #10 |
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I agree in general, but it's not because of religion itself but rather because of people's tendencies to force their religion on others. In their doctrine, most major religions don't acknowledge any other religion. Everyone has a favorite color, but this doesn't cause wars; everyone has a favorite religion and this spawns crusades and "political corectness" lawsuits. It's the strength of the religion in people's actions, not the fact religion itself exists. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jan 9 2008, 12:05 PM Post #11 |
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The point of organized religion is to keep things...well, organized. People would go to extremes even without religion; religion just keeps things ordered by group rather than Free-For-All-Smash-Style. In the absence of religion, race would become more prominent. Maybe beauty, intelligence, absence of physical deformity, political power, etc., would all gain such importance that the current levels of violence enacted due to religion would even be exceeded. In fact, religion is the only one of the aforementioned factors that actually prevents violence in addition to causing it (well, they all do to a certain extent, but usually that's a fairly short extent). For example, your race doesn't tell you not to kill another human being, whereas most religions do indeed. Religious fantacisim is emphasized by the media. Every day, you hear about the three guys who planted a roadside bomb and caused lots of people to go BOOM out of religious spite, but why don't you ever hear about the millions of other people that haven't committed murder for religious reasons? |
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| Crysta | Jan 11 2008, 03:06 PM Post #12 |
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yay for conformity!
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I don't agree that it's always the people who are the rotten variables in religion. I think scientology, satanism, and mormonism suck in essence. Sorry. I know that makes me a politically insensitive jerk, but I'm not down with what those religions preach. Sorry Tom Cruise and Mitt Romney. Of course, I'm sure I'm bound to find some scientogolists, satanists, and mormons I might actually like, but it's not likely to have anything to do with their religious beliefs. I think stupidity is a bigger bane anyway. That branches into all aspects in life and there's no cure for it. |
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| Simon | Jan 12 2008, 05:59 PM Post #13 |
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Actually...it's more like "Mankind is the Bane of Mankind." Religion itself is not the issue. Specifically:
That's faulty cause and effect. Leaders using religion as justification for their actions =/= religion caused the atrocity. The Egyptian pharaoh that enslaved the Israelites did so because he felt -- granted, falsely -- that the Israelites would attempt to take over his kingdom. Jesus was a threat to the power of the Pharisees, so they accused him of blasphemy, made up false charges of inciting rebellion, and got him killed. Had religion not existed, the Egyptians would have enslaved the Israelites anyway; I don't even see how organized religion is relevant to the Egyptians enslaving the Israelites.
No, this [being religion, I assume] did not cause the Crusades. The powers that [used to] be in Europe decided that there were riches in the Middle East -- not only actual riches, like perfume and myrrh that would cash in well in trading, but also the fact that the Middle East was both a hotbed of trading in the Mediterranean world as well as the only way to access the Silk Road -- and that they were worth going to war over. Since religion was such a dominant aspect of the everyday serf's life, said powers that [used to] be called a "holy war" in order to gain the support of the common people. If religion did not exist, then the rulers would simply have said something else to gain the respect of the people; religion was just the most expedient method. As for the whole "radical Islamic terrorist" thing...I don't see how that is the fault of organized religion. Sure, you could say that if organized religion didn't exist, then there wouldn't be radical splinter groups; however, that's the same as saying that I should be held responsible for the action of someone impersonating me. That's exactly what radical Islamic terrorist leaders do; they impersonate the dominant religion of the area and use it as a means to an end -- here, the end being destroying all political opponents and reigning the Middle East through terror. Were Hinduism the dominant religion of the Middle East, for instance, the terrorists would be the exact same, only they'd be followers of Hinduism; were there no religion, they'd simply find something else to use. To put it simply, you can't even begin to say that organized religion is the source of these atrocities, nor can you blame organized religion for the horrors of those who thirst only for the blood of their fellow man and of those who hunger only for power over their fellow man. |
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| Janus | Jan 13 2008, 05:41 PM Post #14 |
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I'm not quite sure what exactly this discussion is supposed to be about per se, but there are one or two things I’ve got some issues with:
(1)Wait, this is supposed to be an essay on the reasons why religion is bad is it not? Well than why are your first two examples of religious persecution taken from the bible, a source of questionable historical accuracy and undoubtedly religious nature? This greatly weakens your argument. (2)Jesus wasn't really murdered, you could argue it, but really he was crucified, which is probably worse, but definitely a different verb.
(1)Uhhh… No. The Egyptians enslaved captures peoples because they needed a shitload of manual labor to those little piles of stone called the Pyramids, plus all there other great temples and placates and whatnot. There justification was more along the lines of the "look at out big sharp metal objects of destruction and dismemberment. You'd be best working for us if you know what's good for you" not anything even so thinly veiled as religious superiority. Anyways, it's a bit of a myth the Egyptians were big enslavers—much of the work on there epic works projects was done by civil labor. (2) You oversimplify. Jesus was killed because the Jewish leaders thought that his preaching would lead to rebellion, which they thought would bring the downfall of Judea (which it eventually did, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora]Second Disapora[/url]), so they passed him off to Pontus Pilate, who thought he was innocent and passed him off to Herod Antipas, who wanted nothing to do with him, so passed him back to Pilate. Pilate still wanted nothing to do with him but his hand had been forced, so he asks the crowd that's gathered to see the spectacle, in order to wash his hands of the whole incident, "free Barabbas or Jesus?" The crowd is worked up, mob mentality kicks in, they shout for Barabbas to be freed and Jesus to be crucified--the rest is history. That's still oversimplifying it, but, suffice to say, with Jesus, everybody is in the wrong, not just the religious leaders. Anyway, in this situation, the fact that the religious leaders were in power (technically—the Romans ran the show but the Jewish aristocracy weren't totally kicked of the stage) was a more influential to there decisions than the fact they were religious. |
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| Soja | Mar 5 2008, 09:04 AM Post #15 |
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Relevant bump. I disagree with Lucas' paper. A lot. Here's why. The impression with Catholicism, perhaps the largest organized religion in the world, is that we are mindless, ritualistic, esoteric sheep. The truth is that we, along with Islam, are probably the most scholarly of the world religions. (I have to give "most zen" to Buddhism, for obvious reasons). That said... the bulk of preservation and archiving of almost all knowledge, philosophy, art, and culture of classical antiquity was a labor undertaken by Christian monks after the sacking and final collapse of the Roman Empire. Had it not been for these scribes, the world -- civilization in itself, as we know it -- would have been lost to the dust of ages long ago. For all the mistakes the Church, and all other centralized religions have made, this one critical aspect makes me think that every man, woman and child that enjoys the freedoms employed by Western civilization owes a debt of respect to Christianity, believer or not, that is often not paid. And believe me when I say this: atheistic organizations so far have the higher body count. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and a large number of brutal African and South American regimes are all among them. The opening post is so pathologically anti-religion it starts to fold in on its own logic. This Rushdie guy apparently doesn't get that believing in nothing but what you see is limitation in its most substantial form. Progressing past that, the paper itself treats religion as if it were the sole, core, absolute and singular cause of all the wars, atrocities, and wholesale butcherings there have ever been. How many wars have been fought merely for territory or prestige? I guarantee you that the marauding hordes of Genghis Khan were no god-folk. How about conflicts for resources such as food and water? What? That's justifiable based on need? Now you're just saying that we're so base that the strong should dominate the weak. As far as I know, Catholicism and Christianity in general puts an emphasis in sheltering the unsheltered, and patronizing the weak. Religions often teach good things, and the most influential and great of people on the world stage have very often possessed a core of faith at their heart. Too often do detractors prefer to blame the religion rather than the practitioner. I don't blame them; it's easier to do that. It requires less delving into the kind of psyche it takes to commit some of the inhumanities people do. But I tell you the obvious when I say that there are many good Muslims, and many good Christians, and many good Hindus, Buddhists, and Pagans. People will always use whatever they can to justify their actions. Religious beliefs are simply among the easiest ones to use. |
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