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Ike x Soren; Homosexual or Not?
Topic Started: Jan 10 2008, 06:48 PM (1,140 Views)
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Well, I wrote a post supporting Ike and Soren being gay, for a nub site (NS2). All the people on the Fire Emblem board are complete idiots, with a few exceptions. They all think that anyone who says Ike and Soren are gay are some sort of pervert, and they think that everyone who is gay is a giant idiot sinner who should be killed. I wrote a post there a little bit ago, and I wanted to share it with you guys.

It's not too good, as I'm rather mediocre at openeings. If you could tell me what you think of my post and how to improve it'd be great.

Also, what do you think about the topic? Are they? The game sure seems to heavily imply it.

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First off, Ike and Soren cannot get an ending with anyone but themselves. Micaiah can support Sothe for an ending, as can Elincia and Geoffrey, and Lucia and Bastian, and Leanne and Naesala, and Boyd and Mist, but Ike and Soren can only have an ending with each other. Now, I think we can all agree that Micaiah and Sothe is their only “true” pairing, same with all the rest. Even Soren’s normal ending says he never used his talents for anyone but Ike. (Citation: http://serenesforest.net/fe10/ending.html Soren’s endings)

Next, they have a special convo with each other. In it, Soren tells Ike that Ike is the only person Soren could ever trust, and Ike holds Soren. Now, the stereotypical man, since we all know stereotypes are commonly used in games, books, and movies, is unemotional. For Ike and Soren to show emotion is a rare thing among guys in Fire Emblem. Yeah, Eliwood cries for his dad, and Hector gets mad when he fights, but there are many other guys in that same game who show no emotion. Heck, most bosses are guys and they are just fighters, who make a stupid comment when they die. Then we have the stereotypical gay, portrayed as somewhat feminine, always being emotional. Ike and Soren show their true colors as the later category. (Citation: The transcript for this is found at almost every major Fire Emblem forum- I didn’t actually find one to be warned for advertising to link to. )

Third is the Path of Radiance Supports. Ike supports, as far as females go, Titania, Elincia, and Lethe. In the A support with Titania, he thanks her for all the help she gave his father, and even asks if she loved Greil. Obviously no relationship other than the almost mother/son one that was already there. In Lethe’s support, he is invited to come to Gallia. Lethe seems to respect him because of his strength, and, tempted with becoming a lot stronger, he agrees to come. In his support with Elincia, Ike promises to help her achieve her dream, his one support that may have implied at a special ending. However, Elincia already has one with Geoffrey, and Ike has one with Soren. Notice how all of the special endings in FE10 had a support in FE9, unless one of the characters was not there? Now, Ike’s support with Soren has him sharing his deepest secret, still wanting to have the friendship of the only person he trusts. Soren gets so emotional; they get a special base scene in FE10 that reveals some more of the situation. And Soren only supports Stefan other than Ike, who just has some branded information. (Citation: http://www.feplanet.net/index.php?fep=main Path of Radiance Supports)

Fourth, Ike is very open. He’s not racist against laguz at all, being “different” himself. Soren is very closed off, but he is to everyone but Ike. Two different ways of dealing with a problem they both share. In addition, Heather obviously likes girls. That’s not in question at all, unless you think she wants to meet the queen for make-up tips of something.  If there’s a girl who likes girls, why can’t there be a guy who likes guys? We’ve already had Erika x Ephraim and Raven x Priscilla, so a mature theme in Fire Emblem isn’t that revolutionary. Heck, even Dumbledore is gay. (Citation: J. K. Rowling interview, supports for FE7 + 8, FE9 + 10)

Fifth, and last for me at the moment, is that neither shows any interest in women at all. In FE9, Ike is credited with always taking his hand away when Aimee touches it. In FE10 he is only willing to flirt with her if she gives him a discount. Soren comes in, and let’s admit it, his compliments are so stiff and he maintains a straight face the whole time. He even denounces his comments by saying that what he does, he does for the good of the company. (Citation: Game Scripts at Gamefaqs.com )


Not too good, but it was something to start with.

If you want to see some idiotic responses it's on NSider2 on the Akenia board.

One person even said gay was a recently invented thing. X]
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Ike x Ranulf exists, but it's nowhere near as canon and it sucks in terms of support bonuses and time. XD

Yes, I honestly believe they're gay, especially since Ike never made any advances on Elincia, Aimee, or Titania.
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Jan 11 2008, 12:47 AM
Ike x Ranulf exists, but it's nowhere near as canon and it sucks in terms of support bonuses and time. XD

Yes, I honestly believe they're gay, especially since Ike never made any advances on Elincia, Aimee, or Titania.

Or Mist. :P

Come on, if Mist were your sister, what would you do? D:

Your post was good, and I can't think of anything important off the topic of my head that you missed. Their reactions are good lulz though. XD
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Yeah, I just recently found out about Ike x Ranulf, but it doesn't really matter because Ranulf is a guy.

Actually, one big thing I missed is the base info at 4-1. Look at this:

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Aimee: Ooo, it's my hero, Ike! I'll take the spot next to you.
Ike: Hello, Aimee.
Aimee: Would you do me a favor? Take this and give it to little Soren. It's an
extremely rare item. We don't know what we'll run into out there. He'll be
ready for anything with a powerful tome like this.
Ike: What, you can't give it to him yourself?
Aimee: Oh, no way! I'm trying to get YOUR attention. So I'd much rather give
it to you.
Ike: That's very direct of you.
Aimee: Because you can be so thick sometimes! I swear, you wouldn't know how I
felt if I didn't tell you outright.
Ike: Even if I did, I wouldn't do anything about it.
Aimee: That's fine. I understand. You still have things you want to do, places
you want to explore. That's why you don't want to be tied down by a
relationship. I know how you are.
Ike: Uh...
Aimee: But someday, you'll be ready to settle down. When you are, maybe you'll
think of me. That's why I'm starting work on you now! Don't worry about it...
for now.
Ike: But it DOES worry me!
Aimee: See? You're already under my spell! Well, good night! Sleep well, my
hero.
Ike: That woman has issues with reality.


I don't know why that was put in there, if not to show that they are gay. It certianly doesn't show Ike's future love interest in Aimee.
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Hmm....I don't think he's really gay... We'd like to believe that Ike would go for Ellincia, but, perhaps the class system is more in place here than in other games? The nobility probably wouldn't allow such a marriage, if they wouldn't even allow him a position in the governemnt for saving their country.
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Jan 12 2008, 01:45 AM
Hmm....I don't think he's really gay... We'd like to believe that Ike would go for Ellincia, but, perhaps the class system is more in place here than in other games? The nobility probably wouldn't allow such a marriage, if they wouldn't even allow him a position in the governemnt for saving their country.

Actually, I think they did. At the end of FE9 it mentions him giving up his title to return to being a regular merc.
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Face it -- Aimee is a non issue. Ike isn't interested in her because she's the creepy stalker type.

Ike x Elincia was strongly implied in FE9, and then just sort of forgotten in FE10. Kinda pissed me off how that just sort of vanishes with no explination.


Honestly, I don't see Ike and Soren as being gay. There is no doubt they are very close, but that doesn't mean they are gay. Brotherly love anyone? Is it not perfectly reasonable for them to be close like brothers?

You comment on how most game characters never show any real emotion, yes? There's a simple reason for that: Any time a male character shows any kind of sensativity, they get swarmed by yaoi fans declaring them gay.


No one is going to deny that Ike and Soren are close, but I don't see any real evidence to suggest that there is anything romantic or homosexual to their relationship.
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Does it even matter? So much that we have to debate it? Just see it in any way you want. If you want them to be gay? Then go ahead and think so! Want them to be closet transgender furries? Sure! Go ahead.
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Jan 12 2008, 09:46 AM
Does it even matter? So much that we have to debate it? Just see it in any way you want. If you want them to be gay? Then go ahead and think so! Want them to be closet transgender furries? Sure! Go ahead.

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It's implied, but it isn't confirmed to be either way. It's what you make of it.
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IkexRanulf is better.
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No one should really care either way, because it's likely to just remain a personal interpetation unless you show official Ike x Soren pr0nz.

As a sidenote, it's still a fairly good essay in favor of the pairing, in itself.

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Ha, I wrote some essay about that back in March, it got forgetten and buried in my dA journal or where I first translated the script wherever I posted it (I think I posted it first at FESS, that sparked a minor firestorm.) 'Course, it was sarcasm-laced and noobishly written. Looking back at it, mine was a pretty biased argument.

I'd like and would certainly support the idea of Ike being gay but not stereotypically so, but since I've kind of fallen out of fanart/fanfiction it doesn't matter either way. It's everyone's right to interpret for themselves. I guess the writers just gave in to fanservice when they put in the implications--the only consequence is fangirls going even more bonkers over the two. It's apparent that those who didn't believe it at first, for the most part, aren't going to be swayed by the new developments.
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Jan 12 2008, 04:30 AM
Face it -- Aimee is a non issue.  Ike isn't interested in her because she's the creepy stalker type.

Ike x Elincia was strongly implied in FE9, and then just sort of forgotten in FE10.  Kinda pissed me off how that just sort of vanishes with no explination.


Honestly, I don't see Ike and Soren as being gay.  There is no doubt they are very close, but that doesn't mean they are gay.  Brotherly love anyone?  Is it not perfectly reasonable for them to be close like brothers?

You comment on how most game characters never show any real emotion, yes?  There's a simple reason for that:  Any time a male character shows any kind of sensativity, they get swarmed by yaoi fans declaring them gay.


No one is going to deny that Ike and Soren are close, but I don't see any real evidence to suggest that there is anything romantic or homosexual to their relationship.

I've always thought that Aimee was interested in Soren or maybe she likes both of them. But for Elincia and Ike's relationship, supposedly it went to a close probably because the game designers forgot it! lol

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It wouldn't count as Lucius looks more feminish. xD

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As for IkeXSoren, seeing the base conversation in the final chapter, it was about how Soren was treated as a child. But, I will not say anything beyond that as I do not want to spoil the game for ya. But I'll say this...that conversation made me cry.
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But for Elincia and Ike's relationship, supposedly it went to a close probably because the game designers forgot it! lol

Perhaps any hopes of that fell apart when Ike left court, or perhaps because of pressure from the nobles (since, of course, we know that they don't like having Ike around, or that he was given a peerage, even though he did kinda save their country and what not, lol).
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