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| FE 8 Tier List | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 10:36 PM (2,478 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Jan 20 2008, 10:36 PM Post #1 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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-Top Tier- Seth Franz Moulder Vanessa Colm Ephraim (Eph Route) Lute -High Tier- Tethys Ephraim (Eirik Route) Cormag (Ephraim Route) Gerik (Eirik Route) Eirik (Eirik Route) Natasha Artur Kyle Forde Tana Gerik (Eph Route) -Mid Tier- Joshua Duecel (Eph Route) Gilliam Cormag (Eir Route) Eirik (Eph Route) Garcia Ross Neimi Saleh -Low Tier- Rennac Innes Amelia Marisa Myrrh Duecel (Eir Route) L'Arachel -Bottom Tier- Dozla Ewan Knoll Syrene Need to make final version for great pinnage. |
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| Blackbird | Jan 20 2008, 10:39 PM Post #2 |
 
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Is this open to debate? I agree with the majority, but there are a few ideas I'd like to add. |
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| Maraj | Jan 20 2008, 10:43 PM Post #3 |
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No, but it's probably open to debaet. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 20 2008, 10:46 PM Post #4 |
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Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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It's not locked, right? XD |
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| AdamNW | Jan 20 2008, 10:53 PM Post #5 |
Needs moar Sety
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0 Def base >>> Dozla? |
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| Blackbird | Jan 20 2008, 11:01 PM Post #6 |
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Well, it sounded like you had the post all ready to go for pin/sticky, so I thought it might have been finalized already =P. Anyway, here goes. I'd move Colm up to bottom of Top tier, largely based on his utility. He is hands down the best rogue in the game, and is absolutely necessary on your team for stealing various items. Promotion items and stat boosters must frequently be stolen from enemy units, and so Colm is absolutely vital to use if you want all of your units to be promoted. Rennac comes in really late and isn't as good, so Colm will probably see use throughout the whole game. He's also useful for seeing further in those occasional, annoying fog levels. I'd probably move Forde down to mid tier. Aside from that gaiden mission where you have to use him, he probably won't see too much play. He is generally statistically inferior to Franz, Kyle, and probably Seth, as well. Cavalry are a good class, but there are better options to pick from in this game. Myrrh... I don't really disagree with her placement, but it is kind of odd to tier her at all, considering she is essentially a limited-use character (unless you hack >_>). In my mind, a character you can use forever essentially trumps a character that becomes worthless after 50 charges are expended =/. Any reasoning for why L'Arachel is tiered so low? I was under the impression that she was an excellent unit, statistically. It seems wierd to see Joshua as a Mid Tier unit, considering his wide array of support options, and how useful myrmidons generally are on offense. I'll admit that Myrmidons aren't as powerful in 8 as they are in other games, though. I have yet to finish a hard mode run all the way through, so I can't really vouch for his usability either way. Vanessa seems like she should be placed a little closer to Tana, to me. Vanessa has the advantage of arriving early and supporting good units, but is statistically only average, really. Although Tana arrives later, she is generally the best peggie, statistically (to the best of my knowledge) and also has a wide range of available supports (including a potential support triangle with both Lords) I vote Orson for Dead Tier =D |
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 20 2008, 11:50 PM Post #7 |
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Joining at a very low level at that point in the game and only being a healer = lol wtf. She's horrible. Joshua's got durability issues and doesn't have omgCrit like other Swordmasters such as Guy. You're the first person I've ever seen to say Vanessa isn't massive w1n. She's too good. Her stats are pretty pwn. Just bad STR, but she has like +5 Atk from supports, so... -Top Tier- Seth Franz Moulder Vanessa Colm Ephraim (Eph Route) Lute -High Tier- Tethys Ephraim (Eirik Route) Cormag (Ephraim Route) Gerik (Eirik Route) Eirik (Eirik Route) Natasha Artur Kyle Forde Tana Gerik (Eph Route) -Mid Tier- Joshua Duecel (Eph Route) Gilliam Cormag (Eir Route) Eirik (Eph Route) Garcia Neimi Ross Saleh -Low Tier- Rennac Innes Amelia Marisa Myrrh Duecel (Eir Route) L'Arachel -Bottom Tier- Dozla Ewan Knoll Syrene |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jan 20 2008, 11:53 PM Post #8 |
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Vanessa over Franz, in my opinion. Franz wins earlygame, which counts for the least since it's like LHM in difficulty, and then from there on out one wins offense and the other wins durability. Meanwhile, this game has vasts amounts of terrain, and lots of obtainable items that non-flyers can't get, so Vanessa has a h4x advantage in mobility. This advantage also increases post-promotion. Vanessa's supports are much more likely to be in play, as well (I don't think much of Gilliam), except for Seth, but giving bonuses to Lute and Moulder > giving bonuses to someone who doesn't need them for a really long time. Tethys for Top, also, even if only the bottom of it. She joins a bit late, but she's a Dancer, and that's h4x, not to mention her durability is actually Vanessa-level with supports. Not much else you could want. Ross doesn't deserve to suck worse than Neimi. Neimi sucks just as much early on, only more due to her class, and Ross grows faster and doesn't have the detriment of being an Archer for the entire earlygame. Afterwards, her class is better, but Ross still deals out huge damage, it's just his Spd that lacks. Durability is pretty arguable, though. |
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| +Ema Skye | Jan 21 2008, 12:16 AM Post #9 |
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Franz below Vanessa is quite a stretch, I'd say. I doubt Simon and WJC would agree with that... Tethys being the worst unit on the enemy phase is pretty fail. Unlike other top tier dancer/bard types, she's ONLY a dancer. This keeps Lalum from top, too. She can't dance for multiple units like early dancers, and she's not mobile like Resyon/Leanne. She also doesn't have Ninian's rings. Ross higher, agreed. |
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| Blackbird | Jan 21 2008, 12:23 AM Post #10 |
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Fair enough about L'Arachel.... it is very true that your best healer is also usually your first healer, since they take so long to level past the staves only phase =P. I find that surprising about Vanessa. I've always thought of Vanessa as being pretty average. As I'm fond of saying, "she does pegasus things" meaning she is adequate in the role of a pegasus, but isn't really so awesome that I find myself using her to do other things as well. As a counter example, Lute generally exceeds your expectations of what a Mage should be good at; Sure, you expect a Mage to build great Magic and Res, but she also builds Speed and Luck well too, so you can expect her to do more than you generally give the Mage class credit for. Vanessa builds great Speed and Skill, but that's basically what I expect of a decent Pegasus as a given... and she doesn't really go beyond that to have better than expected Strength, Defense, Res, or Luck. They are all just "good enough." In fact, sometimes her strength is less than awesome, and she ends up not being able to hurt anything, really =/. Then again, I've never supported her, and as you say, +5 str counts a heck of a lot when you double anything and everything. Of course, there is always the chance I just got RNG screwed every time and always got an underwhelming Vanessa, lol. One point Ross has is a great support with Garcia. If you decide to field them both, they get full offense + avoidance from their great affinity, and the support builds very quickly. This works especially well if you make Ross a Berserker, and is great for axemen in general. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jan 21 2008, 12:59 AM Post #11 |
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-In Chapter 2, Vanessa is the only one who can reach Ross before he’s killed. w1n. Ross and Garcia may not be the best units, but whenever they’re use |
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| Mekkah | Jan 21 2008, 05:34 AM Post #12 |
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Tana in High? Are you sure? Wind affinity drastically cuts into her potential avoid and she needs babysitting, and in Ephraim route she effectively joins at the end of Ch9 with no weapons. If she's in Eirika route she pretty much has no supports most of the time, and she isn't a preferable support partner to begin with due to Wind affinity and being a flier. To compensate she has flier flexibility and good mid-late game stats, of course, but then also take into account arrow weak... |
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| smash fanatic | Jan 21 2008, 06:30 AM Post #13 |
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While Vanessa has flying utility, Franz is your second best fighter for earlygame (behind Seth). A lot of her lategame durability win is also overkill. She could have 10 less avo, for example, and still not die. Meanwhile, Franz actually wins earlygame durability, which is more important, as neither are invulnerable there. I like GF's tier list a lot better. This is the latest one. God Tier Colm Seth Eph. Route Ephraim Franz Tethys Moulder High Tier Vanessa Eir. Route Gerik Eph. Route Cormag Lute Eir. Route Eirika Artur Eph. Route Duessel Upper-Middle Tier Kyle Eir. Route Ephraim Gilliam Joshua Natasha Forde Tana Neimi Eir. Route Innes Lower-Middle Tier Garcia Eph Route Gerik Ross Eir. Route Cormag Eir. Route Marisa Eir. Route Saleh Eph. Route Eirika Rennac L' Arachel Low Tier Eir. Route Duessel Dozla Myrrh Eph. Route Marisa Eph. Route Saleh Eph. Route Innes Bottom Tier Knoll Syrene Ewan Amelia
Neimi's actually doing BETTER early on. She doesn't get doubled by the earlygame fighters. And while Ross can attack at 1-range, he sucks at it, which is bad. Being your worst frontliner <<< being a backliner
If Neimi wins offense, and durability is arguable, Ross is clearly losing. |
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| Mekkah | Jan 21 2008, 08:23 AM Post #14 |
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I don't get the massive Seth hype. Early on, his stats may as well be 0 whenever he does nothing, which is most of the time. He's your basic mobile security guard/meat shield but that's it. When his EXP problem is (midgame) over other people still get priority for training because they still need to work towards promotion, and then endgame he loses in pure statistics to people like Lute and Franz. Just because he :can: rape the game without aid until Ch14 doesn't mean that is a thing in his favor. Tethys in God and above so many early joining combat people is questionable at least. At least seperate Eph from Eir with her, as joining Ch10 vs Ch13 does make a difference. Her only guaranteed support has the same Eph/Eir route problem. And unlike Ninian and Lalum she doesn't get (full) def from supports. Neimi is only beating Ross at anything when he is still a baby. If you're using Ross he should be promoted by Ch5 at last, and from there he is still gaining EXP faster than anyone else including Neimi, and he can actually frontline, especially against lances. Neimi is stuck in Sniper mode until promotion, and even after that she cannot switch weapons on enemy phase. Even if she could, she can't use Killing Edge yet and about every E/D rank sword is either weak (Iron), too heavy (Steel) or too specialized and rare (Zanbato). Plus she needs to build up 60 more bow attacks to get Nidhogg and +5 Hit/Crt which Ross will get earlier, in addition to Garm. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jan 21 2008, 12:25 PM Post #15 |
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He wins earlygame. That doesn't mean much in my eyes, considering the difficulty of that portion of the game.
That's actually not true. Franz is not invincible, while Vanessa is. 100-Hit enemies do indeed exist in this game, in addition to 120-Hit Dracozombies. Yes, Franz wins offense by more than Vanessa wins defense, and Franz also has an earlygame win, which doesn't matter all that much. Overall, I'm not inclined to say that his leads matter more than flying, given the vast amounts of terrin in this game. The oceans, the bridges, the mountains--this game easily has 3-4 times the terrain that FE7 has, and, unlike FE7's flyers, Vanessa has no weaknesses except for mediocre Str, which is changed to above-average Str thanks to supports. Vanessa > Franz as far as I'm concerned. Also, Eph. Route Ephraim > Franz? I'm afraid I don't understand. Ephraim caps level and then is unable to promote; Franz doesn't possess this problem. The more and more you restrict your team size, the bigger and bigger this problem gets.
The ability to one-round virtually anything in the game for a big portion of it is indeed handy. Also, even though he gains little EXP, he's most definitely getting kills. There's no reason to deprive him of kills. No, people don't get priority for kills. There's no EXP Rank in this game, so there's no reason to give away Seth's share of the kills. If you have to do that, it just means that Seth is even better than his own stats would suggest; he's letting others be at a higher level by not needing kills himself. The first is just easier to measure, but the second is quite a degree better. Also, Amelia for bottom of Bottom Tier? Huh? I can't see that at all. She's actually decent once trained (as good statistically as the likes of Gilliam, Forde, and Kyle); the only difference is that she needs to get EXP to get there.
Neimi doesn't have a big win in offense, however. Atk vs. AS; it's just that the AS matters more in more situations. The Atk definitely matters as well, and then once you factor in that Ross actually isn't stuck to Archer for half of the game, Ross is winning overall. Even her transition into Ranger, for reasons Mekkah named, isn't perfectly fluid. |
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