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Hey, give Rolf some credit
Topic Started: Jan 25 2008, 10:33 PM (1,034 Views)
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Inui
Jan 27 2008, 11:40 PM
Sentenal
Jan 27 2008, 11:23 PM
95% of all archers/snipers suck.

Jamuka, Brigid, Faval, and FE 10 Shinon = a bit more than 5%. :P

Out of all Fire Emblem games, only 4 get your seal of approval? That proves my point lol
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Louise is good when you get her, espically w/ a Silver Bow.
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And then she sucks massively right after that.
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MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH

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The archers from FE4 are ridiculously awesome... Jamka or Brigid will pretty much blow any of the archers from the GBA FEs out of the water =P.

Crossbows are kind of a mixed bag. They are good, because they cap warrior's bow damage (so snipers can actually be better than them at archery, now...) and also give snipers a 1-2 range option. But, as you said, they are kind of broken whenever critical damage becomes involved, with a massive weapon might to multiply. Peggies are pretty much 1-shotted. I didn't even think about the potential with beastfoe/dragonslayer... scary possibilities.
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SwordsAreShiney
Jan 28 2008, 10:09 PM
2-3 range on all bows and the brokenness of crossbows when used in conjunction with Foe skills sounds like a major improvement to me.

But they nerfed the Warriors so that Snipers are better at archery instead of just upping the Snipers, and it's that where I take issue. Just make the Snipers comparable, don't hurt the Warriors.
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Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
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Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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Jan 29 2008, 07:39 PM
But they nerfed the Warriors so that Snipers are better at archery instead of just upping the Snipers, and it's that where I take issue. Just make the Snipers comparable, don't hurt the Warriors.

That sucks >_>;
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Jan 30 2008, 06:27 PM
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Jan 29 2008, 07:39 PM
But they nerfed the Warriors so that Snipers are better at archery instead of just upping the Snipers, and it's that where I take issue. Just make the Snipers comparable, don't hurt the Warriors.

That sucks >_>;

Actually that rocks... Now with that info Fe10 may NOW Sound a lot like fun.
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Jan 31 2008, 01:11 PM
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Jan 30 2008, 06:27 PM
GeauxTigers
Jan 29 2008, 07:39 PM
But they nerfed the Warriors so that Snipers are better at archery instead of just upping the Snipers, and it's that where I take issue. Just make the Snipers comparable, don't hurt the Warriors.

That sucks >_>;

Actually that rocks... Now with that info Fe10 may NOW Sound a lot like fun.

Nerf'd Warriors sounds like fun? lol wuteva.
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Well, honestly, it was just the archery aspect of Warriors that got shanked...but yeah.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Laharl
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Warriors are like...better w/ bows than archers. And thats supposed to be their speciality. But I guess that means that archers are gonna start being useful for more than 2-3 chapters.

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Well, honestly, it was just the archery aspect of Warriors that got shanked...but yeah.


Thank God. I thought you meant Warriors as a whole. I was about to start watching videos on Youtube to get the story.

that still sucks tho. warriors were monsters with bows.
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Yeah...they limited them to a specific kind of bow, and while they're still pretty good with Bows, I still don't like that they downgraded a unit to make Snipers better.
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I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
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once said to be
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me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
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wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Well, consider the opposite side of the situation, Tigers. What if they improved Snipers to be as good as Warriors? How would you go about that?
From a design standpoint, you -could- increase the Str growth rates in general for Snipers, making them just as strong as Warriors with Bows. But then that only fixes one problem; Warriors would still have Axes -and- Bows, so they would have better weapon selection, and Warriors are also generally more durable. Warriors would still be better at archery. So then you would have to do even more, like add extra weapon skills, etc., and once you start adding swords and whatnot to archers, they start being less about archery, again =P.

Maybe a good solution would be to distinguish archers again as the masters of long ranged combat, by making default bow range around 3, and longbow range at 4. This would give them a valuable, semi-unique skill that offsets the fact that they hit physical defense with a generally average strength (and so they don't do as much damage as most classes). It also differentiates them from mages... archers get a distance advantage, but mages do more damage up close because they attack res.

Just throwing out an example idea there.
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Maybe a good solution would be to distinguish archers again as the masters of long ranged combat, by making default bow range around 3, and longbow range at 4. This would give them a valuable, semi-unique skill that offsets the fact that they hit physical defense with a generally average strength (and so they don't do as much damage as most classes). It also differentiates them from mages... archers get a distance advantage, but mages do more damage up close because they attack res.

Main problem with Archers is that they are nonexistent on enemy phase, imo a huge range doesn't really make up for it...and the double bow proves it :valter:
Perhaps they could give bows the ability to hit close range but with fixed mt like staves? (though not as low.)
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