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| Topic Started: Feb 10 2008, 07:21 PM (645 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Feb 10 2008, 07:21 PM Post #1 |
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| Beta-Knight | Feb 14 2008, 12:58 PM Post #2 |
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Nailah and Tibarn. Laguz royals, and some of the game's best. They need no introductions. Their bases are pretty similar. A few minor leads in Tibarn's favor, but no real big differences. They're both gonna be one-rounding things, almost never dying, and have great movement. They'll both be wtfh4x. Because of Pavise, however, Tibarn will be more durable. BUT!
In most chapters, Pavise doesn't matter. Why? Because, in a good few chapters, they're both unkillable. They both have nice Def and HP, and they both have h4x Spd and Lck combined with leadership, giving them wtfh4x Avo. In Nailah's part one chapters, she's even less vulerable than Tibarn in his respective chapters, because the enemies are so weak in comparison. Ike's part four chapters have hardly any enemies that can do more than 5 damage to and/or hit her, and 4-F isn't much better, for the most part. So Tibarn has a lead, but not much of one. However, it's still technically a lead. BUT!!
Nailah has an advantage of her own: availability. In Nailah's part one chapters, Tibarn can't possibly perform better, because he doesn't exist. She also performs waaaaaaaaaaaay better here than he does in his respective chapters, like I said before. Part one is the hardest part, too, meaning she's needed more. Which is another thing: Nailah is more useful in her respective chapters. Let's compare them. Tibarn's chapters are 4-2 and 4-5. Nailah's chapters are 1-8, 1-F, 4-1, and 4-4. First of all, there's her part one chapters. Two chapters doesn't seem like much of a difference, but like I've said, she has quite a bit more utility than Tibarn in these chapters. She's about ten billion times as stronger than any of your other units there, and more importantly, the enemies. Not only is she uber in 1-8, she's essential in 1-F. Long-range magic, being swarmed by eneimes of all sorts, chests being pilfered and accurate Longbows from above ledges that can more than easily one-round Cai and Raphy. Mr. Whopper can't help here anywhere near as much as Nailah, since his Mov is so much lower and he takes so much longer to climb the ledges. Nailah easily makes it up the ledges, get to far-away spaces, and can one-round any enemy that can attack from afar in a snap. Her part four chapters are harder than Tibarn's as well. 4-1? Fog of War=NOT NICE. Especially when enemies are assaulting you from all sides and getting closer to your weak units every moment. Nailah can easily hold off any enemies you need her to. 4-4? Cramped hallways with more reinforcements showing up every turn at the perfect spots to come pick off Tormod and Raphy. Definitly rather annoying. Again, Nailah can hold off any swarm of enemies you need her to without any trouble at all. Tibarn's chapters? 4-3? Not a hard chapter at all. No particularly powerful enemies to speak of, and no big surprises beyond anyone's control. Tibarn certainly is uber, but not as essential as Nailah is in her chapters by a longshot. And finally, 4-5. Yes, he definitely helps a good deal here, I'm not denying that. The thing is, the chapter can be finished fairly quickly anyway. Izuka may have powerful attacks and be able to warp, but he's also as easy to rip apart as wet toilet paper. Simply kill him in one turn and the chapter will end right away. This can easily be done without Tibarn. So, yeah. Nailah's waaaaaaaay more useful in her chapters than Tibarn is in his, and not only because she has more of them. So, let's review: -Tibarn has seven chapters of uberness, whereas Nailah has nine. This means she's that much more useful. -Tibarn is sort of essential in one chapter, whereas Nailah is absolutely essential in one and sort of essential in two. Again, this means she's that much more useful. -Tibarn and Nailah are both unkillable and one-round everything, meaning Nailah's leads in usefulness are more important when comparing the two. And thus, Nailah is overall more useful than Tibarn. Alright, guys, show me what you're made of.
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| Nin-Finity | Feb 16 2008, 07:20 PM Post #3 |
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Nailah is at level 33, and Tibarn is at level 31… yet he already has the superior stats, with even more room to grow. And since their growths are essentially the same, Tibarn will maintain those leads, and widen the gap even more when Nailah runs out of levels to grow. Also, let's not forget that 1 point in each stat basically equals 2. This turns Tibarn's lead into a bigger lead. The only stat Nailah is notably superior in is Luck, and that doesn't double.
…okay, so neither ever dies. So let’s look at what they’re giving to the team. Like you mentioned, Tibarn has Pavise, and at base level, it’s activating nearly half the time. (48% to be exact) As far as skills are concerned, he’s also got Savior for added rescue utility, plus Canto, which Nailah lacks. Also, he’s got 4 authority stars when Nailah only has 3, so the other allies are benefiting more from Tibarn. Both have Shove and mastery skills that will kill literally anything they activate against, so we can put those aside. What does Nailah have that Tibarn doesn’t? Well, pretty much just Glare and lolGuard. So Tibarn’s skill set is easily more beneficial to himself and others. Also, let’s look at bond supports, since we’re considering how these units improve the people around them. Nailah has a bond with Rafiel, while Tibarn has bonds with all 3 of the herons. Now, we’re definitely bringing Reyson to the final chapter, since he’s got the best chanting ability, and the best durability of the 3. That means that 5 out of Nailah’s chapters won’t have Rafiel in them, so Nailah’s bond is rendered useless for the final. Meanwhile, Tibarn will be using his regardless of what heron you choose; Reyson is in his first two chapters no matter what, and you want him in the final as well, so for all seven of Tibarn’s chapters, he’s putting his bond to use, while Nailah’s only matters for 4 chapters.
As you've mentioned before, they're virtually unable to die, so this point is basically pointless and redundant.
Nailah may have more chapters, but Tibarn is easily more useful in his 7 chapters than she is in her 9. Tibarn already has superior stats, so he’s killing more efficiently. He also has more mobility – flying + immunity to terrain penalties + canto is h4x. He’s getting to enemies and tearing them up faster than she is, so he’s performing way better in Part 4 than she is. He can also rescue units that need help and receives no penalties thanks to Savior, and his authority stars give better boosts than Nailah’s do.
Yeah, she’s about 10 billion times stronger than the enemies… and she’s also getting way less EXP. Even people like Sothe have started to gain more than 1 EXP per fight by this point, so Nailah is just vacuuming the EXP that people like Nolan and Jill so desperately need. Plus you’ve got plenty of other godly units, so Nailah is by no means essential. The BK is arguably better since he has a ranged attack, and you want to bring him to 1-F for the Lehran event. Sothe and Volug are also both mandatory, and both are very strong fighters as well, plus you’ve obtained people like Zihark and Tormod by now, so Nailah isn’t a God among mere mortals… not at all.
First of all, weak units aren’t a problem at all on this team. You’ve got Ike and Titania on it for sure, and plenty of other fairly strong units are available, but that part is player’s choice. Secondly, this is Part 4; you know what units you’re using, and by now, most of them have nearly finished their growth, and if there’s a weak one that isn’t fully leveled yet, then you WANT them to get attacked so they can gain EXP, so either way, Nailah isn’t needed to protect the team. Screw you Nailah, Ike and Titania are h4x.
Pretty much anyone on your team can rape the enemies in this chapter; what makes Nailah so special? She doesn’t have anything special that really makes her stand out, unlike what Tibarn can do in his chapters. Raping enemies? Y halo Ike and Titania, and co. Nailah is nothing special, but who’s competing with Tibarn? Elincia? Raping enemies when the team doesn’t >>> Raping enemies when the team can do that without you. Also, mobility. Tibarn tears up his enemies faster, since he can get there thanks to awesome flying powers. Nailah has no answer to this. In fact, those cramped quarters you mentioned are only slowing her down, whereas Tibarn can just fly over the trees that get in his way.
Exactly, because Tibarn doesn’t exist in 4-3. *shot* Anyways, in 4-2, Tibarn is your most mobile unit in a huge forest chapter. Units like Tauroneo having trouble getting through Thickets? Tibarn doesn’t care. Hell, he can fly over the trees that foot units can’t even move through. So he gets to the enemies quickly, and completely rapes them. That’s way better than whatever Nailah was doing for a team that was already uber without her.
Okay, first, WTF @ killing Izuka in 1 turn. Even if that was possible, you aren’t ending the most EXP abundant chapter in the game in a single turn. So anyways, the laguz don’t stop coming, so let’s stay awhile. After all, tactics rank no longer exists. Tibarn is fantastic here because everyone else struggles to move through the swamp. Tibarn has no terrain penalties, Canto, and Savior. Hell, if you wanted to, he could airlift the team so they could get to the action faster. Or he can get an injured unit out of a tight spot. He can also fly around the map at light speed and gain tons of EXP himself. Plus, when the time comes to actually catch Izuka, Tibarn is pretty much the only one that can do it, since foot units are moving like… 2 spaces per turn through the swamp. So he’s, yet again, incredibly useful.
I think we’ve just proven that Tibarn is …wait, did that come out? Sorry, I meant that Tibarn is more useful than Nailah. dual debate by [Elto to the Ninfinity]. xD |
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| Barst | Feb 19 2008, 03:23 PM Post #4 |
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Like I said before... I am perfect.
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...So? When they're both transformed, Tibarn has 2 more HP, 2 more Str, 2 more Skl, and 2 more Spd at base. Nailah has 6 more Mag, 6 more Luck, and 6 more Res. Neither of them should ever die or not one-round something the other will. Both of them are really doing equally here in terms of combat.
Tibarn doesn't die if he has Pavise. He doesn't die if he doesn't have it. What, exactly, is Pavise doing for him? Sure, it may have a very small chance of helping out very late in the game. But by then, you'll probably have given it to someone who was actually getting something out of it and will continue to get a significant benefit out of it. Once it's off him, which it will be, it's not a plus for him at all, because if the scroll is equipped back on him, it's the same if it was equipped on Nailah. Savior can be useful, but it isn't a point for Tibarn, as is explained later in this post. As for authority, it only applies to commanders. Tibarn's applies during 4-2 and 4-5 whether you use him or not, so it's not like using him will benefit the team any more in some way.
Guard can be very helpful to weaker team members, so there's nothing to lol about it. It's more helpful to the rest of the team than Tibarn's Pavise, certainly, and while Savior can be useful, as I said above there's more about why it isn't a point for him later in the post. On top of that, regardless of capacity, units can only have 6 skills in this game. To fit a new one, Tibarn has to take off either Pavise or Savior, while Nailah doesn't need to remove anything. Seems Canto has actually managed to become a disadvantage for Tibarn.
When, exactly, will a bond support with a HERON be put to use? Herons make units next to them move again, so it's unlikely that Nailah or Tibarn will stay next to them if they're ever next to them at all- Nailah and Tibarn both are supposed to charge at enemies and kill everything anywhere near them. That's definitely not the kind of situation a Heron should be in.
Funny that you say that right after attempting to argue against that point. Hypocrisy ftw?
You can't kill more efficiently than consistent one-rounding. There's almost nothing Nailah won't one-round, and Tibarn certainly isn't gonna kill those few enemies any faster. Nailah has a point of Move over Tibarn, and takes no penalty from terrain either. Tibarn's ability to fly gives him similar mobility to Nailah, not far more. Canto on a unit like him is as much of a detrment as a benefit because he's unlikely to need it, and it just fills up his capacity. Here's that point about Savior I mentioned earlier. Skills can, of course, be reassigned, but while it could be seen as more efficient to leave on Tibarn, his only claim to it is that it doesn't take up capacity on him, which doesn't matter, nulling the entire point. Even you remove his two removable skills, he has 55 capacity and two skills to fill it with. No matter what those skills are, he can fit them and have plenty left over, so there's no reason to necessarily leave his skills on him.
Total Exp gain doesn't matter if there's no Exp rank. Say Nolan would get 20 Exp from a kill. Jill takes the kiill, and Nolan doesn't get the 20 Exp. Nailah takes the kill, and Nolan doesn't get the 20 Exp. No difference.
The Black Knight has far worse mobility, despite his ranged attack, and it's not like having one god is better than having two. As for the other units... Nailah (LV33) HP: 66.0 Str: 34.0 Mag: 10.0 Skl: 46.0 Spd: 38.0 Lck: 35.0 Def: 32.0 Res: 26.0 Sothe (LV5) HP: 36.2 (-29.8) Str: 20.4 (-13.6) Mag: 4.8 (-5.2) Skl: 23.2 (-22.8) Spd: 21.8 (-16.2) Lck: 17.6 (-17.4) Def: 14.8 (-27.2) Res: 10.2 (-15.8) Volug (LV18) HP: 51.9 (-14.1) Str: 17.3 (-16.3) Mag: 3.75 (-6.25) Skl: 19.7 (-26.3) Spd: 21.3 (-16.7) Lck: 15.7 (-19.3) Def: 13.3 (-18.7) Res: 7.45 (-18.55) Zihark (LV7) HP: 32.2 (-33.8) Str: 18.4 (-15.6) Mag: 6.4 (-3.6) Skl: 25.0 (-21.0) Spd: 25.8 (-12.2) Lck: 12.6 (-22.4) Def: 14.0 (-18.0) Res: 12.4 (-13.6) Tormod (LV7) HP: 35.0 (-31.0) Mag: 17.8 (-17.2) Str: 14.1 (4.1) Skl: 16.9 (-29.1) Spd: 21.1 (-16.9) Lck: 14.5 (-20.5) Def: 12.7 (-19.3) Res: 14.9 (-11.1) ............ Out of all the characters you listed, the only win is Tormod's Str beating Nailah's Mag (since the direct offensive stats would be reversed in comparison for a Mage being compared to a physical unit)... and his Str is way past the amount he'd get something out of anyway, so it doesn't matter. All of Nailah's stats other than Mag are far over the corresponding stat for each other unit, even assuming they somehow get to that kind of level, which isn't happening anyway. Not to mention Nailah's large advantage in mobility over all of them except Volug... Nailah is completely raping here. Far more than Tibarn can ever say for his chapters.
Nailah (LV33) HP: 66.0 Str: 34.0 Mag: 10.0 Skl: 46.0 Spd: 38.0 Lck: 35.0 Def: 32.0 Res: 26.0 Ike (LV20/1) HP: 53.4 (-12.6) Str: 28.9 (-5.1) Mag: 6.9 (-3.1) Skl: 32.0 (-14.0) Spd: 28.1 (-9.9) Lck: 16.7 (-18.3) Def: 26.5 (-5.5) Res: 12.3 (-13.7) Titania (LV20/10) HP: 47.8 (-18.2) Str: 33.6 (-0.4) Mag: 15.9 (5.9) Skl: 31.1 (-14.9) Spd: 29.5 (-8.5) Lck: 24.2 (-10.8) Def: 25.5 (-6.5) Res: 21.8 (-4.2) While Nailah isn't raping quite as much as in Part I, it's still unquestionable that she's winning here. Nailah's ability to protect your weaker units is far from useless. There are several characters you'll want to be protecting, one in particular being Rafiel, and with things like darkness hiding the advancing enemies, the ability to shield them from being attacked is very important. Nailah, being your best unit in that area, is definitely very useful because of that.
Nailah is the best character you have there in just about every way. What about that doesn't stand out? Nailah is better than Ike and Titania, and Elincia is definitely competing with Tibarn. There are several other h4x units assigned only to his team as well, so Tibarn certainly isn't without competition. Raping enemies when the team doesn't is certainly far better than raping enemies when the team can do that without you. Of course, Tibarn is never raping enemies when the team doesn't. Nailah, on the other hand, definitely is, at least during Part I. Tibarn may be more mobile, but Nailah is still mobile enough to do anything she'll need to. Beast Laguz are the most mobile of the ground-based units... and Ike's group needs flying units the least, so they won't be there. Nailah has better mobility than any other unit you're still using that was sent with Ike's group, while Tibarn can't say the same about characters matching his mobility in his group.
There aren't many places where you have to cross trees in the level, and Tibarn can't fly over the central area, the main thing you'd want to get over. It's not like he's your only flying unit, either.
The turn you attack him, not the turn the chapter begins. The Laguz don't stop coming, so if you're abusing them, you don't care about how fast you kill them. Stop contradicting yourself. His ability to gain tons of Exp himself doesn't help anyone else, and it's not like he needs much anyway. "Catch" Izuka? Interesting that you'd say that when you also mention that you'll be abusing the chapter for Exp. If you don't care about how long you take, Izuka's Rewarp Staff will be gone before you try to kill him, making it easy to reach him without Tibarn if you don't care about how long you take... which you don't. Even if it mattered, it's not like he's your only flier, with characters like Elincia around. Tibarn isn't useful at all in 4-5. No one can be, because performance doesn't matter when you don't care about completing the chapter quickly and can easily one-round the boss.
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| 180degrees | Feb 22 2008, 09:41 PM Post #5 |
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Except for the fact that Magic does nothing for royals. And also, Luck AND resistance are not needed because of Tibarn's pavise and >9000 speed. I may agree that they're both doing well with combat. However, in terms of final chapter usefulness, Tibarn will be doing 14 more points more damage(SS weapon has one more attack point that Nailah's, and he ends up with 3(x2) more points in strength than Nailah(x2 because of doubling)). Also, when considering usefulness against Ashera(aka doubling against her), Tibarn only needs to gain speed in one of his remaining 9 levels while Nailah has to gain speed 3 times in her remaining 7. Her chance of being able to double against Ashera are much much less likely; and considering the fact that her speed growth is 20%... (and this is going by luck too, since her average speed will be slower than Ashera's on average). This means Tibarn will be doing 28(14x2) more damage than Nailah. That makes a big difference when we're dealing with a character of 120+ HP. o_O
Why, exactly, are you debating over that? We basically said that Pavise is an added skill for him, not something he needs. It's not hurting him in any way either. You can't use that against us in any way either. Saying that you can put it on another character is fucking retarded. Anybody can remove any of their non-class skills and it'd be applied in the same way. If you want to play that way, we might as well strip Nailah of her Guard as well. Tibarn will be making better use of it with his high HP. But Guard is still a shit skill, so ROFL. I'll answer the Savior point later. As for authority stars, it only applies when you're next to the character you want to give boosts to. How are you going to do that while not using Tibarn at all? >_> Meanwhile, Nailah's are useless since she's never the leader. You should've just left it at that, instead of pressing further. We were about to miss the fact that Nailah couldn't make use of her stars anyways, lol.
And it can only affect Nailah's support partner while Savior can help anybody on the team...? lol. I'm getting bored of debating with you.
True. It barely applies. But-- 5 chapters of having bond supports > never having them at all. Yet; it doesn't really count as a strike against Tibarn. Where are your advantages? All you seem to be doing is trying to belittle ours.
There's nothing else I can argue about since you guys keep repeating the same thing.
As said earlier, the fight against Ashera shows how much it matters. And fewer enemies? The final chapter is more than half of their playtime, lol. Nailah does receive punishment from terrain, just less severely. The swamps in 1-8 will slow her down. Also, Tibarn's flying makes him equal to Nailah? I don't see Nailah leaping over mountains. Oh god, why the skill debate again? He doesn't need skills. He doesn't need to remove anything. Canto can only be a plus; nothing more. So, stop it please. I'm getting tired of repeating the same things.
Say Nolan needs to level. Nailah steals his experience. Nolan doesn't get his level. I don't really get your logic at all. You'd rather have Nailah take all the kills and see your other useful characters sit their and watch?
Where did you hide the Black Knight? Under your bed? AKA, the Final Chapter doesn't need you, Nailah. We don't need you hogging any experience when people still need their levels.
UNLIKE, in part 4. >_>
And still sucking up all of mama's experience. </3 Several? I only know of one that can have a slight chance of dying in this chapter. AKA, Rafiel. You should have the walls blocked off. And then, there are only two pegasus knights to worry about; who can be plucked off by Haar or something. I thought you said earlier that Nailah was meant for attacking anyways. o_O
She's still being a bitch and eating my experience. Elincia x Tibarn supporting sounds sexy. She's mainly a healer so she can leech off of Tibarn's sexy leadership and support bonuses. What other "h4x units" can fly? Reyson? Because we all know he's going to be on the front lines. Yeah, she's still breast feeding off my experience...
Titania matches her movement in 4-1. Plus she has Canto, which will allow her to move after attacking. Oh, and so can Tibarn. But not Nailah, no not her. ;-; Tibarn has people that can match his mobility. So what? It's not like any characters are even close to being as h4x as Tibarn.
Elincia can't cross over the central area either, so wtf.
Because everybody wants to spend more than an hour trying to gain experience, right? That doesn't change the fact that Tibarn can help lift allies over to the laguz either. >_> Yes, but it makes it easier for him to earn experience as this is a chapter with the biggest benefits to all units, thanks to the nonstop enemies. It's still going to take you awhile to get over there, even if he runs out of rewarps. Muddy swamp is a pain. By the way, you mean "with Elincia" not "with characters like Elincia", right? As said before, you might not care, but others don't want to spend so much time waiting for their characters to move about. Tibarn can easily savior the characters over. :richie: I am tired. : O post by eltoshen and nin. |
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| Beta-Knight | Feb 24 2008, 09:24 AM Post #6 |
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Alright, first let's clear some things up. It seems some of the points were a bit too vague. First of all, I'll clarify the Savior point: Savior is about as much of a point for Tibarn as it is for Oscar. Or Nailah, for that matter. Why? Well, tell me this. Why do inheritence skills count for a character's usefulness? Because they don't take up any capacity. BUT WAIT! For Tibarn, it DOES take up capacity in a way, since he can only have six skills. It doesn't matter that it doesn't take up any points, because it still stops him from getting other skills nonetheless. You could remove Savior and then give it back to him, and it wouldn't be taking up any more capacity than it was before. So it's not like Tibarn has Savior as an inheritence skill; in a way, it's more like he starts with a Savior scroll. So, it isn't any more of a point for him as it is to anyone else. But Savior goes really well on Tibarn, right? But it would also go well on Haar. Or Jill. Or Elincia. Or Nailah. But since it doesn't take up capacity, it's more efficient to leave it on him, right? BUT IT DOES TAKE UP CAPACITY ON HIM. It's as much of a detriment to him as it is to anyone else. Savior is just as much of a point for Tibarn as is it for Nailah. It could just as easily be on her without a downside to anyone else. And as you said, Elty-boy, they don't need skills to fight well. These two points show that inheritence skills are moot points in this particular debate. And as for this:
I shall clarify this. By this chapter, Nolan and friends do not "desperately need" that EXP. It's not likely that very many of the first tier units will have been being used, with crap like Fiona and Meg out there. Nolan, Cai, and Jill are the only two that are definitely being used. And Aran and maaaaaaybe Eddo are possibilities as well. But the point is, any of them that you've been training are gonna be promoted by this point- or, in Cai's case, maxed out. So as a result, NO ONE is gaining h4x amounts of EXP anymore. Maybe liek 5-15 points for a kill. They do not even remotely "desperately need" the kills. But Nailah still gains less EXP for the kills, right? So she shouldn't be getting any kills, right? RIGHT? Wrong. Yes, if Nailah got a kill, then that was one kill that Nolan could've gotten. One level up Nolan would've gotten. But what if you do let him get the kill? He gets the level up. Yay. BUT WAIT! Nolan just stole a kill/level up from Jill. That's one level up that Jill could've gotten. They're taking the exact same amount of EXP away from everyone else, so it's not that big of a difference. It's only gonna hurt you if you do what you said and let her suck up all your kills, and why, in the name of all that is studly, would you do that? That's like saying that Tibarn shouldn't be used because he'll prolly die if you leave him untransformed near Izuka with no one else around. It's the player's fault if that happens. It's only gonna happen if you're stupid about it. I guess that means that Marcus, Seth, Titania(FE9) and Sothe shouldn't be used either, eh? That's, like, FE Empire nub logic or something. Oh... Oh no... Don't tell me... Don't tell me you guys are turning into FEE nubs! NOOOOO!!! ![]() QUICK, SOMEONE BAN THEM!!! No, Whopper Freakout is not under Othin's bed, he's underneath one of those ledges that it takes him about fifteen turns each to climb. Nailah dun have to worry about that, she can climb those ledges in her sleep.
Learn to read. ^^ Nailah is unbelievably useful in this chapter, like it or not. Especially if you give her the Pass scroll for this chapter- in fact, since she has the best mobility here and since someone with Pass is really needed here, she's the best possible candidate for it. She'll be able to climb those ledges, get to the chests, take out the Longbow users and long-range magic users and make the entire chapter easier for you. I don't recall Tibarn ever being this useful. And one last thing:
Srsly, what is this weird beef you have with reading? It's a healthy habbit, ya know. But whatever. Now that we're clear on everything, I'll just get back to the regularly scheduled raepage.
So, wait...you're saying that Nailah doesn't double? ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ![]() Also, aside from bosses and Red Dragons, THERE IS NOTHING THEY DON'T BOTH ONE-ROUND.
lolwtf? Nailah doubles her too. She's weighed down a bit by Judge, remember?
Whatever. Inheritence skills are moot in this debate anyway, like I said.
So how is this a point for Tibarn again? Tibarn has to be fielded, so everyone getting those bonuses are completely inevitable. You don't have to use him to get the bonuses; they just happen.
False. It does not barely apply- it never applies.
There's nothing else I need to argue about since you guys can't seem to counter that same thing.
SHE CAN DOUBLE ASHERA NUBCAEK. If you meant Ashera's barriers, you'd be correct. However, if she's at level, say, 36 by then, she'll have about a 50-50 chance of having gained a point in Spd, and will thus be able to double them. And even if she hasn't, destroying 1-3 barriers a turn is mad easy with Nasir and Ena around, so I can't see it standing out that much. I dunno what the word "few" was doing in the sentence, but I think you know what he meant. <_<
So, wait...Tibarn can fly over the swamps in 1-8? Wowzerz, I never knew that. And aside from that chapter, since when is there all that much terrain in her chapters? Her mobility is actually really useful in 1-F and 4-4, when she can hop up the ledges and to the action faster than anyone else, especially with the disadvantages that the mounted units have there.
No, she does not "suck up mama's experience" unless you're an FEE nub. Besides, by that logic, Tibarn does the same thing. There's not just Rafiel, there's also Soren, and...pretty much anyone else that isn't very durable. You can't tell when the enemies are coming, so Nailah's the perfect crutch when something unexpected happens. Tibarn's not needed as a crutch in his chapters, since you don't need one as much when you can tell when enemies are coming.
Sexy? wtflol. ALL THEY GET IS HIT from that support. An insane amount of hit, maybe, but still just hit. And, srsly, since when is either of them gonna be missing? C'mon, when? Haar? Jill? Marcia? And besides, a unit can be h4x without flying, ya know. Nin's point about Tibarn being the only h4x unit in his squad didn't make much sense, along a good handful of others that he used. ENOUGH WITH THE EXP THING IT'S MOOT GOT IT
But not in 4-4; not even close. Explained why already.
Nor is it like any characters are even close to being as h4x as Nailah. lulz
We never said she could, so wtf. You completely missed the point there. Srsly, enough with this not reading thing of yours. ![]()
Er...okay...but you kinda just countered your own points.
See? ![]() See, doing that would bring about one of those EXP-stealing moments you seem so obsessed with. It takes about ten kills for him to level up, and Izuka only summons four laguz per turn. And of course, since you don't wanna spend more than an hour trying to gain EXP, that's not something you wanna do. And besides, he has low growths, so he's gonna need more than one level up before he starts showing much improvement, which means he'll need even more kills...and it's not like he even needed to gain levels in the first place.
Why should he need to? They're all charging at you from the very begining of the chapter.
Jill and Haar, lol. Not that it matters, since Elincia does exist, lol. So, in conclusion:
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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| Nin-Finity | Feb 26 2008, 08:28 AM Post #7 |
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Yes, Savior DOES go really well on Tibarn; having 8 MOV and Canto + being able to rescue practically anything except maybe transformed Lions and Tigers will do that for you. Put it on Nailah? Lol, let’s not; she only has 7 MOV (where the hell are you getting 9 from?) and lacks Canto. Or some of those others you mentioned? Why? They could take some Combat-related skills instead that Tibarn has no use for; for example, Elincia loves Cancel with her infinite-use “brave” weapon that will always have her attack at least twice. Plus there’s another Savior scroll. Additionally although Tibarn may have enough capacity for any skill he wants, not everyone does, so Savior is not for everyone. So although it’s perfectly viable to remove Savior from Tibarn, it’s safe to assume that he’ll be keeping it, since nobody else can make better use of it, and he came with it anyway. “He doesn’t need it,” isn’t a viable enough reason to remove it from him, seeing as nobody else needs it more, and if you can somehow argue that someone else DOES need it, then there’s another Savior scroll anyway.
So, you’re telling me that Nolan, Micaiah, and Jill (3 people BTW; counting is good for you) are all past level 20 by now? Especially when usage of Aran and Eddie is also very possible, AND when units like Sothe have been around since chapter 2 and taking some of the available EXP? I highly doubt that. So they’ll want some EXP, and unpromoted units not named Micaiah don’t have the capacity for Paragon… I don’t care if you aren’t getting ranked for total EXP gained; your units are gaining less net levels if most kills yield 1 EXP instead of ~15, and if your team isn’t gaining as many levels, then they are weaker overall. Sure, it may not matter AS MUCH as in FE7, but it’s still something to consider.
Ranged attacking up the ledges works just as well, really. <_< And it only takes him 1 extra turn. HEY LOOK, A BUNCH OF MAGE REINFORCEMENTS APPEARED. Oh whoops, Nailah can’t attack at a range, so she’ll have to spend 4-5 turns picking each one off individually. Oh hey, BK can kill them all during the enemy phase. Gogo BK. There are tons upon tons of ranged attackers in the final, and lots of mage/Hand Axe!Fighter reinforcements that Nailah simply can’t deal with as well as a good chunk of the team.
Sothe matches her mobility in every aspect except climbing the ledges, and he can actually open the chests once he reaches them. And he won’t disappear after this chapter and steal the DB’s Pass scroll. Oh yeah, and he has ranged attacks. So she isn’t as useful as you think.
And YOU were complaining about how we were misinterpreting what you said?
Laguz stats double when they transform, which is why Tibarn’s damage lead is as large as it is. And when they both double, which they do, Tibarn’s damage lead applies again, essentially doubling it.
Yeah, and Tibarn does more damage against bosses and Red Dragons, and will be more likely to land a critical hit or activate his mastery skill against the dragons.
Nice dodge? Uh, no. With stuff like Canto existing, Tibarn can easily end up near Reyson. Don’t BS and say that stuff won’t ever apply when it can.
Well, seeing as there’s 1 Ashera and 9 barriers… You know, on average, Nailah will gain .8 points of SPD by level 40. Gaining 3 points of SPD in 7 levels is unlikely when your growth is 20%. Tibarn practically 1-rounds the barriers while Nailah fails to double.
Try 4-5, captain literal. :|
Tibarn’s chapters have essentially unlimited EXP… or at least 1 of them, so he isn’t sucking up EXP at all when there’s plenty to be had.
Soren has Ike for h4x evasion gains and can dodge reliably, and can afford to get hit once or twice; the only unit that really needs babysitting is Rafael. Ike and Titania are perfect crutches when something unexpected happens, so how the hell is Nailah contributing to her team as much as Tibarn is to his? Okay, let’s solo 4-2 with Tauroneo and Ranulf! :D
…are in Micaiah’s group where the terrain is ridiculous and fliers not locked to certain teams are desperately needed. …and wtf, Marcia sucks.
Tibarn /is/ the only h4x unit in his squad. Who else is on Nailah’s team? Ike, Titania, Soren, Mist, and Raphael. Who else is on Tibarn’s? Elincia, Ranulf, Tauroneo, Pelleas, and Reyson. Pretty much anyone else is just as likely to be on any given team, and will be competing with both Tibarn and Nailah, so that point is moot. Going by which units are forced, it’s pretty obvious where the gap between Royal and teammates is largest. Tibarn wins here.
Uh, it’s pretty much Canto vs. climbing ledges, and that’s pretty close. Additionally, plenty of other units have 7 MOV. And Titania has MORE mobility in 4-1 to make up for that; wtf @ you thinking that Nailah had 9 MOV.
Ike and Titania come way closer than lolElincia.
The map also starts with like 8 bazillion laguz already there, so I don’t see where you’re going with this… Plus Tibarn is the only one that can reach all the laguz on the other side of the swamp in a reasonable amount of time. Well, Elincia COULD, but she’d have a much harder time doing it.
Are in the desert, lol. So, to conclude: -The gap between Tibarn and the rest of the team is always insanely large, whereas Nailah loses her godliness due to the presence of Ike and Titania, among others. -Tibarn has 1 additional move, flying, and Canto, so he’s more mobile than Nailah. -Tibarn can Savior stuff. Woo. -Tibarn outdamages Nailah against final chapter enemies; a crucial ability to have against the toughest foes in the game. -Tibarn makes other people better with authority stars, bonds, and a support with a fellow flyer that’s present in all of his chapters. -Tibarn has his shirt split open showing peks. Tibarn 4 top of Top Tier. Oh wait… |
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| +Ema Skye | Feb 28 2008, 12:21 PM Post #8 |
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