Tino_1190 vs Inui

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Tino_1190 vs Inui; Dorcas vs Isadora
Topic Started: Feb 13 2008, 11:14 AM (317 Views)
+Ema Skye	Feb 13 2008, 11:14 AM Post #1
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,952 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	w00t sexy Paladin ftw You open, d00d.
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Tino	Feb 14 2008, 02:08 PM Post #2
Posts: 158 Group: FEFFer Member #1,594 Joined: December 17, 2007	Dorcas vs. Isadora! Let’s do this! First of all, I know how much you love Isadora and how you say she’s a schexy paladin, but really, I don’t care whether you love her or not. You love her, I don’t. So let’s just skip that part. Now, the real stuff. A big plus for Dorcas already is that he comes way earlier than Isadora, and he has Lyn Mode to train, so he doesn’t join underleveled, but probably overleveled, which is a good thing. Isadora joins way later and doesn’t have a level lead, because Dorcas will probably be promoted by now. Dorcas will, most likely, have a level lead over Isadora, although it will probably be a small one. It disappears after some time, though. This is ,however, still a postitive for Dorcas. W1n. Dorcas uses Axes. Axes are pwn. Dorcas also has the Con to actually use Axes. And upon promotion, he also gains Bows. This gives him an extra advantage against fliers. Isadora doesn’t have this advantage. Isadora’s advantage however, is that she has complete Weapon Triangle Control. However, what does complete Weapon Triangle Control mean when you can’t wield weapons without losing AS? Nothing! Really, Isadora’s Strength is low, so she will need the heavier weapons with more Might to gain the extra needed Att. But what happens next, is that she loses a lot of AS. That is really bad. But if she uses a weapon with low Weight and thus low Might, she can’t kill. So when she uses low Weight weapons she doesn’t kill and when she uses high Might weapons she doesn’t kill. Both don’t double a lot, but Dorcas actually has Strength. With his Strength, he can actually deal a lot of damage instead of little damage. Isadora’s Strength is just too low. If Isadora wouldn’t have such awful Con, then she would probably be much better than Dorcas. But now, she isn’t. And her pwn movement and Paladin utility don’t make up for her lack of offense. “Isadora helps the Funds Rank more so she lolraeps Dorcas now!” Sure, but Dorcas helps the Experience Rank more, and the Experience Rank is probably harder to S Rank, so Dorcas helps the Rankings more than Isadora does. And Dorcas using Axes, the cheapest weapons, is also a plus, so he actually helps the Funds Ranking more than others early-game, because they use more expensive weapons. W1n. Now, let’s move on to the stats department. First, I want to look at offense, and offense only. I’ll use Dorcas with A Bartre/B Geitz and Isadora with A Harken. And perhaps B Marcus, but I’m not sure about that. Let’s just assume they’re both level 20/1, just for convenience. 21 Dorcas, A Bartre Steel Axe: 30.6 Att, 9.4 AS, 109.5 Hit, 22.9 Crit - - 46.6 HP, 44.5 Avoid, 11.7 Def, 7 Res, 18.2 CEvade 21 Isadora Iron Axe: 21 Att, 12 AS, 104 Hit, 6 Crit - - 28 HP, 34 Avoid, 8 Def, 6 Res, 10 CEvade Iron Lance: 20 Att, 14 AS, 114 Hit - - 38 Avoid Iron Sword: 18 Att, 16 AS, 119 Hit - - 42 Avoid Pwnd. Horribly. Isadora might have more AS, but doesn’t have a chance of matching Dorcas’s massive Att. And if Isadora comes close to matching Dorcas’s Att, she loses a lot of AS, comes near Dorcas’s, and still loses. Dorcas also has a Crit lead, and with a Steel Axe, he has more Hit than Isadora with an Iron Axe w1n. And now add his advantage against fliers to all this, and you have even moar w1n. Durability is also no contest. Dorcas wins everything. And he doesn’t have a weakness to horseslaying weapons. What if he still wins endgame? 40 Dorcas, A Bartre/B Geitz Killer Axe: 42.1 Att, 13.2 AS, 138.7 Hit, 71.7 Crit - - 59.7 HP, 70.6 Avoid, 17.5 Def, 10.9 Res, 31.7 CEvade 40 Isadora, A Harken Killer Axe: 31.2 Att, 19.4 AS, 131.5 Hit, 59.3 Crit - - 42.2 HP, 72.4 Avoid, 11.8 Def, 10.8 Res, 26.1 CEvade Offense, well, Dorcas has way more Att, and also has a good Crit lead. So while he may not be able to double, he still has a very good chance to kill enemies with his massive Att and great Crit. And he has more Hit than Isadora, which is also a positive for him. Durability. Isadora with her minor Avoid lead can’t beat Dorcas’ huge HP lead and his Defense and CEvade leads. Undeniable. Then there’s Isadora’s Paladin utility, like reaching villages and rescuing. Well, if you want her to rescue units, go ahead. But this way Dorcas will even pwn her more. And reaching villages, sure. It’s an advantage. But at the other side Dorcas also has the advantage of having bows for an advantage against fliers and he isn’t weak to horseslaying weapons. Dorcas > Isadora. Short but sweet (I hope).



+Ema Skye	Jun 10 2008, 07:12 AM Post #3
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,952 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: First of all, I know how much you love Isadora and how you say she’s a schexy paladin, but really, I don’t care whether you love her or not. You love her, I don’t. So let’s just skip that part. Aw, but that's boring. Isadora is hot and awesome and has white armour. That's pwn. You can't just ignore that. Quote: A big plus for Dorcas already is that he comes way earlier than Isadora, and he has Lyn Mode to train, so he doesn’t join underleveled, but probably overleveled, which is a good thing. Isadora joins way later and doesn’t have a level lead, because Dorcas will probably be promoted by now. Dorcas will, most likely, have a level lead over Isadora, although it will probably be a small one. It disappears after some time, though. This is, however, still a postitive for Dorcas. W1n. Not a good thing for the Experience rank. He also still loses massively to people like Marcus, Oswin, and Hector anyways. Quote: Dorcas uses Axes. Axes are pwn. Dorcas also has the Con to actually use Axes. And upon promotion, he also gains Bows. This gives him an extra advantage against fliers. Isadora doesn’t have this advantage. Isadora’s advantage however, is that she has complete Weapon Triangle Control. Isadora can use axes. Axes are pwn. Isadora can use axes and still be faster than Dorcas anyways with her shitty CON and all. Isadora already has three weapons without taking a promotional item. Isadora's advantage against fliers is that she can double them. Isadora indeed has h4x WT control. Quote: However, what does complete Weapon Triangle Control mean when you can’t wield weapons without losing AS? Nothing! Really, Isadora’s Strength is low, so she will need the heavier weapons with more Might to gain the extra needed Att. But what happens next, is that she loses a lot of AS. That is really bad. But if she uses a weapon with low Weight and thus low Might, she can’t kill. So when she uses low Weight weapons she doesn’t kill and when she uses high Might weapons she doesn’t kill. Let's give Dorcas a level lead and see what their Atk Spds are. 20/5 Dorcas: 10 Atk Spd 20/1 Isadora: 16 Atk Spd normally, 12 w/ Iron Axe, 10 w/ Hand Axe, 14 w/ Iron Lance, 11 w/ Javelin -Dorcas can never increase his Atk Spd while Isadora has options to allow her to double when she can't with stronger weapons. -Dorcas can not obtain Evd boosts in almost every situation. Even when losing Atk Spd from using a heavy weapon, if Isadora gets WTA in the process, she's gaining Evd. -This comparison is at lower levels; Isadora will gain EXP faster and has a much better Spd growth, so her Atk Spd wins only become larger as the game goes on, and eventually her Atk Spd wins are astronomical. Quote: Both don’t double a lot, but Dorcas actually has Strength. With his Strength, he can actually deal a lot of damage instead of little damage. Isadora’s Strength is just too low. If Isadora wouldn’t have such awful Con, then she would probably be much better than Dorcas. But now, she isn’t. And her pwn movement and Paladin utility don’t make up for her lack of offense. lol @ Isadora not doubling Isadora doubling Mercenaries with an Iron Sword > Dorcas just hitting them once for the same damage. Isadora has two shots at critical to one-round them and gains more Wpn Exp in the process. Isadora getting WTA with a lance > Dorcas not being able to. You're insisting on Isadora using steel weapons all the time or some shit. Quote: “Isadora helps the Funds Rank more so she lolraeps Dorcas now!” Sure, but Dorcas helps the Experience Rank more, and the Experience Rank is probably harder to S Rank, so Dorcas helps the Rankings more than Isadora does. And Dorcas using Axes, the cheapest weapons, is also a plus, so he actually helps the Funds Ranking more than others early-game, because they use more expensive weapons. W1n. No, he's raping it since you said he comes in at a high level due to Lyn's Story. Then when Isadora joins, she's at a lower level than Dorcas, and thus benefits the Experience Rank more when both are around together. Isadora already costs 10,000 Gold less by default due to not taking a promotional item. That's a lot of killer weapons right there. Quote: Now, let’s move on to the stats department. First, I want to look at offense, and offense only. I’ll use Dorcas with A Bartre/B Geitz and Isadora with A Harken. And perhaps B Marcus, but I’m not sure about that. Let’s just assume they’re both level 20/1, just for convenience. 21 Dorcas, A Bartre Steel Axe: 30.6 Att, 9.4 AS, 109.5 Hit, 22.9 Crit - - 46.6 HP, 44.5 Avoid, 11.7 Def, 7 Res, 18.2 CEvade 21 Isadora Iron Axe: 21 Att, 12 AS, 104 Hit, 6 Crit - - 28 HP, 34 Avoid, 8 Def, 6 Res, 10 CEvade Iron Lance: 20 Att, 14 AS, 114 Hit - - 38 Avoid Iron Sword: 18 Att, 16 AS, 119 Hit - - 42 Avoid Pwnd. Horribly. Isadora might have more AS, but doesn’t have a chance of matching Dorcas’s massive Att. And if Isadora comes close to matching Dorcas’s Att, she loses a lot of AS, comes near Dorcas’s, and still loses. Dorcas also has a Crit lead, and with a Steel Axe, he has more Hit than Isadora with an Iron Axe w1n. And now add his advantage against fliers to all this, and you have even moar w1n. Durability is also no contest. Dorcas wins everything. And he doesn’t have a weakness to horseslaying weapons. lol @ Isadora not having B Geitz when Geitz has nobody else. More lol @ Bartre being fielded. Dorcas is already taking a Hero Crest. Guy and Raven are amazing and want to promote. That's already making it bad for Bartre. Too bad Bartre is a terrible unit anyways. He's slower than snake shit, starts off terrible, and is a burden. Also, why are you comparing something that doesn't exist? Those supports won't exist at those levels, so this comparison is worthless. It doesn't exist in the game. It's not worth actually countering. Quote: 40 Dorcas, A Bartre/B Geitz Killer Axe: 42.1 Att, 13.2 AS, 138.7 Hit, 71.7 Crit - - 59.7 HP, 70.6 Avoid, 17.5 Def, 10.9 Res, 31.7 CEvade 40 Isadora, A Harken Killer Axe: 31.2 Att, 19.4 AS, 131.5 Hit, 59.3 Crit - - 42.2 HP, 72.4 Avoid, 11.8 Def, 10.8 Res, 26.1 CEvade Offense, well, Dorcas has way more Att, and also has a good Crit lead. So while he may not be able to double, he still has a very good chance to kill enemies with his massive Att and great Crit. And he has more Hit than Isadora, which is also a positive for him. Allow me to fix your errors: 40 Dorcas, A Oswin/B Geitz Killer Axe: 44.1 Att, 13.2 AS, 138.7 Hit, 63.7 Crit - - 59.7 HP, 70.6 Avoid, 17.5 Def, 10.9 Res, 31.7 CEvade 40 Isadora, A Harken/B Geitz Killer Axe: 31.2 Att, 19.4 AS, 136.5 Hit, 69.3 Crit - - 42.2 HP, 82.4 Avoid, 12.8 Def, 11.8 Res, 36.1 CEvade -Dorcas's massive Atk still doesn't let him OHKO consistently without slayers, which cost extra moneyz, and he already took 10,000 Gold to promote. If Dorcas gets to use such weapons, Isadora can spam whatever she wants. -Isadora now loses Hit by an amount that means nothing, wins Crit, wins Evd by a lot, gained a point in Def and Res, and now wins Crit Evd by a small amount. -Isadora can opt for a Killing Edge, which, given an S in swords, will boost her Crit by 5, give her 4 more Atk Spd, and 8 more Evd. Dorcas doesn't have options like this. Quote: Durability. Isadora with her minor Avoid lead can’t beat Dorcas’ huge HP lead and his Defense and CEvade leads. Undeniable. Oops, B Geitz just gave Isadora a larger Evd lead, decreased Dorcas's Def lead, gave Isadora a Res and Crit Evd lead, and Isadora has WT control options and can increase her Evd by using lighter weapons while Dorcas can't. Who wins durabilty now? Quote: Then there’s Isadora’s Paladin utility, like reaching villages and rescuing. Well, if you want her to rescue units, go ahead. But this way Dorcas will even pwn her more. And reaching villages, sure. It’s an advantage. But at the other side Dorcas also has the advantage of having bows for an advantage against fliers and he isn’t weak to horseslaying weapons. -Horseslaying weapons are extremely rare and she can easily avoid them with WT control and supports. What a worthless point. -8 Mov + occassional move again >>> 6 Mov + nothing else to boost mobility. This is better than being able to one-shot a few flying units that everyone rapes anyways.
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Tino	Jun 16 2008, 09:19 AM Post #4
Posts: 158 Group: FEFFer Member #1,594 Joined: December 17, 2007	Quote: Aw, but that's boring. Isadora is hot and awesome and has white armour. That's pwn. You can't just ignore that. Yes you can. Dorcas is a manly man. That’s even more pwn than white armor (and she’s not hot). Quote: Not a good thing for the Experience rank. He also still loses massively to people like Marcus, Oswin, and Hector anyways. It’s a good thing for the other Ranks, though. And Isadora can’t kill effectively, so she also doesn’t gain much Experience. Quote: Isadora can use axes. Axes are pwn. Isadora can use axes and still be faster than Dorcas anyways with her shitty CON and all. Isadora already has three weapons without taking a promotional item. Isadora's advantage against fliers is that she can double them. Isadora indeed has h4x WT control. Even though she will be faster, she won’t be doubling much more than Dorcas. 12 AS with an Iron Axe and 11 AS with a Hand Axe doesn’t make you double much more than with 10 AS with a Steel Axe. Quote: Let's give Dorcas a level lead and see what their Atk Spds are. 20/5 Dorcas: 10 Atk Spd 20/1 Isadora: 16 Atk Spd normally, 12 w/ Iron Axe, 10 w/ Hand Axe, 14 w/ Iron Lance, 11 w/ Javelin -Dorcas can never increase his Atk Spd while Isadora has options to allow her to double when she can't with stronger weapons. -Dorcas can not obtain Evd boosts in almost every situation. Even when losing Atk Spd from using a heavy weapon, if Isadora gets WTA in the process, she's gaining Evd. -This comparison is at lower levels; Isadora will gain EXP faster and has a much better Spd growth, so her Atk Spd wins only become larger as the game goes on, and eventually her Atk Spd wins are astronomical. -With the weaker, lighter weapons she might be able to double, she still hasn’t enough power to kill enemies. 21 Att with an Iron Axe is seriously nothing. And then she doesn’t even double. 20 Att with an Iron Lance also doesn’t let her kill enemies, because she might still not double or doesn’t have enough Strength. -What are you talking about? Against lance users, he has an Avoid boost. From Oswin and Geitz he gets an Avoid boost. Oswin and Geitz are pretty likely to be with him, so that’s not a problem. Isadora can choose whenever she gets this boost, sure, but she’s supportless, which is an advantage for Dorcas. -Astronomical AS wins don’t mean anything if you don’t have the Strength to actually kill. Quote: lol @ Isadora not doubling Isadora doubling Mercenaries with an Iron Sword > Dorcas just hitting them once for the same damage. Isadora has two shots at critical to one-round them and gains more Wpn Exp in the process. Isadora getting WTA with a lance > Dorcas not being able to. You're insisting on Isadora using steel weapons all the time or some shit. Oh sure, Isadora has such a big chance of landing a Crit /sarcasm. I have never said something about Isadora using Steel weapons all the time. I don’t know where you just got that shit from. Also, Dorcas has a much better chance of landing a Crit in one hit than Isadora has in two hits. 20/5 Dorcas has ~25 Crit, which means that he has a 25% chance to Crit. Isadora has 6 Crit, so she has a 11.28% chance to Crit. Winner = Dorcas. Quote: No, he's raping it since you said he comes in at a high level due to Lyn's Story. Then when Isadora joins, she's at a lower level than Dorcas, and thus benefits the Experience Rank more when both are around together. Isadora already costs 10,000 Gold less by default due to not taking a promotional item. That's a lot of killer weapons right there. Er… Got me there xD No wait. Dorcas can actually kill from time to time if he’s using a slayer-type weapon (such as Hammer). Isadora’s Strength is so low that even with an Hammer she can’t kill a Knight or something. Dorcas can also one-shot fliers with his bows. So because Dorcas kills more enemies, he gets more experience and helps the Experience Rank more. Dorcas uses uber cheap weapons. He can use a 11 Mt weapon for only 12G per use. He can easily afford Killer weapons, too. Quote: lol @ Isadora not having B Geitz when Geitz has nobody else. More lol @ Bartre being fielded. Dorcas is already taking a Hero Crest. Guy and Raven are amazing and want to promote. That's already making it bad for Bartre. Too bad Bartre is a terrible unit anyways. He's slower than snake shit, starts off terrible, and is a burden. Also, why are you comparing something that doesn't exist? Those supports won't exist at those levels, so this comparison is worthless. It doesn't exist in the game. It's not worth actually countering. K. Then Isadora gets B Geitz. Fine. A Oswin/B Geitz is fine with me, too. It’s probably even better for Dorcas, so thanks for pointing it out ;). Quote: -Dorcas's massive Atk still doesn't let him OHKO consistently without slayers, which cost extra moneyz, and he already took 10,000 Gold to promote. If Dorcas gets to use such weapons, Isadora can spam whatever she wants. -Isadora now loses Hit by an amount that means nothing, wins Crit, wins Evd by a lot, gained a point in Def and Res, and now wins Crit Evd by a small amount. -Isadora can opt for a Killing Edge, which, given an S in swords, will boost her Crit by 5, give her 4 more Atk Spd, and 8 more Evd. Dorcas doesn't have options like this. -Isadora can spam whatever weapon she wants. It’s not like it lets her kill much more compared to Dorcas. Plus, there are magic users later in the game, which Dorcas actually can kill with his massive Att. Dorcas can also easily kill fliers. -So you’re implying that 11 Avoid, 1 Res and 4 CE > 18 HP and 5 Def? Let me laugh out loud at that. Lololol. Seriously, 18 HP and 5 Defense is easily much better than 11 Avoid and 4 useless points of CE. 1 Resistance also doesn’t make a difference. -Dorcas counters this with being able to switch to bows to OHKO fliers. Quote: Oops, B Geitz just gave Isadora a larger Evd lead, decreased Dorcas's Def lead, gave Isadora a Res and Crit Evd lead, and Isadora has WT control options and can increase her Evd by using lighter weapons while Dorcas can't. Who wins durabilty now? Who wins durability now? Dorcas, of course. Seriously, Dorcas can switch to the back row, picking enemies off with his bow, which means he won’t be taking any damage. I think you are heavily underestimating an 18 HP lead. Dorcas almost has 1.5x as much HP as Isadora, which is a lot at this point. Quote: -Horseslaying weapons are extremely rare and she can easily avoid them with WT control and supports. What a worthless point. -8 Mov + occassional move again >>> 6 Mov + nothing else to boost mobility. This is better than being able to one-shot a few flying units that everyone rapes anyways. -True, they’re rare. And sure, she can avoid them. However, there still is a chance that she gets hit by them. So worthless point? Don’t think so. -Everyone? No. Wyverns are actually pretty strong enemies with which, for example, Isadora will have trouble killing, while Dorcas can one-shot them.



+Ema Skye	Jun 16 2008, 05:13 PM Post #5
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,952 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: Yes you can. Dorcas is a manly man. That’s even more pwn than white armor (and she’s not hot). She's hot. Everyone here, even the girls, would rather have sex with Isadora than Dorcas. Prove me wrong. Quote: It’s a good thing for the other Ranks, though. And Isadora can’t kill effectively, so she also doesn’t gain much Experience. Marcus owns for Tactics, Survival, and Funds already in the earlygame. Dorcas isn't doing anything special. He's not surviving the best. He's not killing the best. He's just a giant chunk of HP that does a lot of damage in one hit. Isadora starts off promoted. She's not crying over not gaining kill EXP when it's basically the same as just hitting enemies. Also, she one-rounds every enemy in her starting chapter consistently besides Eubans, lol. The swordreaver axe fighters are one-rounded by her with an iron lance and can't hit her, and even the guys with lancereavers are balls against her when she's using just an iron axe. When she's got WTA, which is very often, the enemies are very likely to miss, and then just die. Quote: Even though she will be faster, she won’t be doubling much more than Dorcas. 12 AS with an Iron Axe and 11 AS with a Hand Axe doesn’t make you double much more than with 10 AS with a Steel Axe. That's at base. Isadora will gain Spd quickly. As the game progresses, the Spd gap gets larger and larger until Isadora is much faster even with those heavier axes. It also doesn't change the fact that even at the best possible comparison for levels while Isadora is using axes she's still faster than Dorcas. Quote: -With the weaker, lighter weapons she might be able to double, she still hasn’t enough power to kill enemies. 21 Att with an Iron Axe is seriously nothing. And then she doesn’t even double. 20 Att with an Iron Lance also doesn’t let her kill enemies, because she might still not double or doesn’t have enough Strength. -What are you talking about? Against lance users, he has an Avoid boost. From Oswin and Geitz he gets an Avoid boost. Oswin and Geitz are pretty likely to be with him, so that’s not a problem. Isadora can choose whenever she gets this boost, sure, but she’s supportless, which is an advantage for Dorcas. -Astronomical AS wins don’t mean anything if you don’t have the Strength to actually kill. -She one-rounds everything in her joining chapter with weaker weapons. She requires a Steel Sword for the Wyverns, and that's it. Iron Lance lets her kill the Swordreaver Fighters. Iron Axe lets her kill the Lancereaver Cavaliers. Anything lets her kill the magic users. -Dorcas can obtain an Evd boost against lances and has supports. Isadora has supports shortly after joining, so that advantage disappears quickly. Isadora can have WTA against all non-magic/non-bow units in the entire game. Dorcas can't do that. That was my point. -If Isadora doesn't have the Atk to kill, her Crit is massive with supports. She can afford to use Killers because she costs 10,000 Gold less than people like Dorcas. Quote: Oh sure, Isadora has such a big chance of landing a Crit /sarcasm. I have never said something about Isadora using Steel weapons all the time. I don’t know where you just got that shit from. Also, Dorcas has a much better chance of landing a Crit in one hit than Isadora has in two hits. 20/5 Dorcas has ~25 Crit, which means that he has a 25% chance to Crit. Isadora has 6 Crit, so she has a 11.28% chance to Crit. Winner = Dorcas. You have alerted my Bullshit Detector with your assumption on Dorcas's Crit. 20/5 Dorcas has 8 base Crit, and then A Oswin grants him 7 more, making that 15 Crit. He has no supports with Geitz on a chapter Geitz just joined in. Are you assuming Bartre? If so, lol @ that nonsense. Quote: Er… Got me there xD No wait. Dorcas can actually kill from time to time if he’s using a slayer-type weapon (such as Hammer). Isadora’s Strength is so low that even with an Hammer she can’t kill a Knight or something. Dorcas can also one-shot fliers with his bows. So because Dorcas kills more enemies, he gets more experience and helps the Experience Rank more. Dorcas uses uber cheap weapons. He can use a 11 Mt weapon for only 12G per use. He can easily afford Killer weapons, too. Indeed. Isadora is better for the Experience Rank. Those are expensive. Isadora's Atk is high enough to let her consistently one-round unpromoted enemies, and she can also use slayers. This game's EXP cuts are gay. You get basically the same for a kill that you get for just fighting. Dorcas being able to one-shot with slayers/bows-vs-fliers doesn't mean he's gaining more EXP than Isadora. Isadora just fighting at her lower level makes her gain more EXP than Dorcas scoring a kill. Dorcas uses cheap weapons indeed...but he costs 10,000 Gold more by default due to promoting. Quote: -Isadora can spam whatever weapon she wants. It’s not like it lets her kill much more compared to Dorcas. Plus, there are magic users later in the game, which Dorcas actually can kill with his massive Att. Dorcas can also easily kill fliers. -So you’re implying that 11 Avoid, 1 Res and 4 CE > 18 HP and 5 Def? Let me laugh out loud at that. Lololol. Seriously, 18 HP and 5 Defense is easily much better than 11 Avoid and 4 useless points of CE. 1 Resistance also doesn’t make a difference. -Dorcas counters this with being able to switch to bows to OHKO fliers. -Isadora doubling with a Killer later on = h4x. She'll have +~60 Crit to her Skl base Crit, and her Crit can shoot up to ~70 consistently in the lategame with her supports. Compound that with the slayers available and she rapes with good-weapon spamming. -I'm implying that 11 Evd that turns into 26 vs axes and 41 vs swords is good. -Lol @ comparing Isadora's vast weapon selection and options for lighter weapons to allow her to double everything to Dorcas equipping a weapon to kill only a specific type of enemy and then that weapon not allowing him to counter on the enemy phase. That was a joke, right? Quote: Who wins durability now? Dorcas, of course. Seriously, Dorcas can switch to the back row, picking enemies off with his bow, which means he won’t be taking any damage. I think you are heavily underestimating an 18 HP lead. Dorcas almost has 1.5x as much HP as Isadora, which is a lot at this point. 11 Evd that turns into 26 vs axes and 41 vs swords is good means she doesn't get hit. If Dorcas is using a bow, he's either shielded off so that his durability doesn't matter anyways or he's bait for enemies on the enemy phase and doesn't even counter them. That's just earlier shit, too. 20/15 Isadora: A Harken/B Lowen or Geitz Base Evd: 87.3 Vs Axes: 102.3 Vs Lances: 94.3 Vs Swords: 98.3 20/16 Dorcas: A Oswin/B Geitz Base Evd: 67.2 Vs Axes: 67.2 Vs Lances: 82.2 Vs Swords: 52.2 lmao, not even close. Isadora basically never gets hit. WTA compounded with terrain in the lategame makes her untouchable. Vs Victory or Death Enemies Silver Lance!General: 0 Hit on Isadora, 14.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Bow!Sniper: 17.7 Hit on Isadora, 37.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Lance!Wyvern Lord: 8.7 Hit on Isadora, 20.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Sword!Hero: 23.7 Hit on Isadora, 69.8 Hit or 54.8 Hit on Dorcas without him being able to counter. Isadora can't be hit by anything while in a forest or fort. Dorcas can still be hit. Dorcas has 12 Atk Spd. Isadora has 23 Atk Spd. Isadora doubles every single enemy besides the single Swordmaster. Dorcas can't double Limstella, Wyvern Lords, Snipers, Druids, Wyvern Riders, Paladins, Heroes, the Swordmaster, Noman Troopers, Warriors, Sages, Valkyries, or Falco Knights. Dorcas gets doubled by Heroes, the Swordmaster, and Nomad Troopers. Dorcas's abysmal Res lets the magic users do massive damage to him. With his supporters nearby, the Shamans do 12 damage, Druids do 23 damage, Sages do 17-22 damage, Valkyries do 15 damage, and Limstella does 28-29 damage. He doesn't have the Evd to handle these guys, either. Quote: -True, they’re rare. And sure, she can avoid them. However, there still is a chance that she gets hit by them. So worthless point? Don’t think so. -Everyone? No. Wyverns are actually pretty strong enemies with which, for example, Isadora will have trouble killing, while Dorcas can one-shot them. -Her getting hit by a Horseslayer would require her being near the one or two left in the game instead of someone else and her getting hit by a very low Hit chance. Worthless point indeed since it's going to happen 1/10000000 playthroughs. -Isadora can double Wyvern Riders with a Killer Axe, and one critical is enough to kill Wyvern Lords. Dorcas can't double either, and can't one-shot Wyvern Lords.
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