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| Topic Started: Feb 14 2008, 07:35 AM (2,404 Views) | |
| OtakuReborn | Feb 14 2008, 07:35 AM Post #1 |
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In your opinion, Make a list of the worst characters in Fire Emblem 9. I might make my party for next game based on this list, because I found them utterly worthless the first time around. Marcia - She seemed strong at her debut in Chapter 2, but she got dusted by the time she could actually join in Chapter 9. Makalov - Logically, you'd think a mounted unit with swords can't be that bad....I don't know, maybe it's just because my team then was already better. Tormod - I think that's his name. It's the Fire Mage that joins you with Muraim. I'm not sure if he's any good or not, but I have Soren and Ilyana covering mage support already, so this guy never goes in. Sothe - He levels up slow, and (if I recall correctly) could not promote. Devdan - I already had a kickass Nephenee (You don't mess with Wrath + Vantage. Classic Combo from FE4: Ambush + Wrath) by the time I got this guy, and his stats were only slightly higher at a significantly higher level. Astrid - She comes in at level 1, midgame. She dies half the time in the chapter before I recruit her. She does level up quickly though, so I don't know... I think everybody else was fairly decent. There may be a few more that I don't recall. Then again, my party is already somewhat controversial (Rolf over Shinon, Gatrie over Brom, Mia AND Zihark) |
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| Yzarc | Feb 14 2008, 08:59 AM Post #2 |
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Marcia, Makalov and Astrid are all very solid units. Granted, they all have a bit of catchup to do, but if you're willing to use Rolf, I don't see how that can be much of a problem. Once Marcia gets somewhat close to on par with the rest of your team, she's gonna be one of your fastest units, only beaten out by myrmidons, who are locked to swords, which deal less damage. That means that Marcia will be one of your top offensive units for like the entire midgame. Makalov has killer stats once he catches up, and doesn't really have survival issues when he does join. Astrid is somewhat the same as Makalov except she levels up faster and has kind of worse stats. Still, they both can get Axes on promotion, they both have access to the Knight Ward, meaning they both can do good damage and double often. In any case, Astrid will likely be one of your first to 20/20. Tormod, Sothe and Devdan are pretty bad, but you got Mia, Rolf, Lucia, Bastian, and lots of others who are significantly more useless. Devdan and Tormod are actually surprisingly good when supporting each other (+3 Attack) assuming Devdan had the Knight Ward from the get-go. Sothe can steal...Take that as you will. I find him useless since you only ever need one thief, and Volke is all around superior to Sothe. |
  
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| Laharl | Feb 14 2008, 02:41 PM Post #3 |
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism
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Those two bird Laguz that come with Reyson are pretty bad. As is Lethe and that Falcoknight from Begonion. |
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| Tino | Feb 14 2008, 02:41 PM Post #4 |
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Lethe and Tanith are actually pretty good. I agree with Janaff and Ulki, though. They are bad. |
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| Laharl | Feb 14 2008, 02:48 PM Post #5 |
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Ranulf and Mordecai are superior to Lethe. Shes useful for a few chapters but then you'll you want to trade places with someone better. Theres too many Laguz avaliable and I only use 2-3. And I hardly ever use Pegasusknights because wyvernriders are better. |
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| Tino | Feb 14 2008, 02:50 PM Post #6 |
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Tanith is still good. I'd rather use Lethe than Ranulf. Ranulf joins way too late. The Laguz I always use are Muarim and Reyson, btw. |
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| Laharl | Feb 14 2008, 02:59 PM Post #7 |
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Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism
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Maybe so but I still prefer wyverns to pegasus. I like units that don't die in two hits. And why the hell would you use Muarim? Mordecai is like 2x better. |
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| Yzarc | Feb 14 2008, 03:14 PM Post #8 |
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Muarim is good. He's ridiculously good when he joins, and becomes pretty durable later on, with a Zihark support. |
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| OtakuReborn | Feb 14 2008, 03:30 PM Post #9 |
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Hmm...I always thought the Laguz were all fairly strong. I just never used them because they always tended to switch back to human form at the most inopportune times possible. I also used Ulki as a dodge shield sometimes (at least when talking to Kilvas, though I can't recall using him any other time.) My current playthrough, my main party consists of Ike, Oscar, Boyd, Mist, Rolf, Gatrie, Soren, Ilyana, Mia, Zihark, Jill, and when I have space, Reyson. I found this party rather stable in most conditions, barring the occasional critical from Killer weapons. |
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| Laharl | Feb 14 2008, 03:37 PM Post #10 |
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Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism
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So did I but you'll find out that some are better than others. |
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| Blackbird | Feb 14 2008, 04:43 PM Post #11 |
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Marcia's great, I like to use her. Of course, it also helps that I think she's hilarious, with her goofy insults. (Take that, boat monkeys!) She suffers from the usual peggie problems... she's got great speed and evasion, but her strength is a bit flaky, and if it doesn't grow enough, she may be unable to do enough damage. Makalov suffers a bit from "me too" syndrome. By the time you get him, you already have Oscar, Kieran, and Astrid in your party. Oscar and Kieran will already have a level lead on Mak, and will be useful and strong units. Astrid has the advantage of being able to catch up very quickly to your other units if you decide to add her to the team, with her double exp. With all of these other options already being leveled/useful, I never really use Mak because I simply have enough good cavaliers on my team already. There's no space left for him, and no point in babying another unit to level yet another cavalier. Tormod is another case of arriving late. You already have a great mage in Soren, who joins very early, is very useful over the course of the game, and has great stats. Illyana also joins earlier and is reasonably solid. You have two mages already being leveled and moving along, so it's difficult to fit an underleveled Tormod on your team. Both Makalov and Tormod are decent units if you do level them, though. Sothe is in competition for the worst unit in the game spot, largely because he doesn't promote, and therefore all his stats are capped at 20. It is worth noting, though, that Radiant Dawn has added a new consideration for his character. Sothe becomes an important character in Radiant Dawn, and you can improve him in that game by importing your PoR save file. All of Sothe's PoR stats which exceed the Radiant Dawn base stats replace them. So it may be worth getting Sothe to 20 so you can import his stats to Radiant Dawn. Devdan is pretty low tier... his bases aren't so hot, given his high level. Nephenee turns out statistically superior to him in the long run, and she has a much better skill (wrath > serenity). I pretty much immediately bench him =). Astrid starts out very flimsy, but because of Paragon, she can catch up very quickly if you do decide to use her. After a while, she will even gain a level lead and start kicking some ass. About the Laguz... I usually don't like to use them, because they gain less exp than other units for a similar return. |
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| Former Guest | Feb 15 2008, 09:12 PM Post #12 |
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Otaku: If you seriously think characters here like Mia and Rolf have any business being used or make your party stable, then you should have Bo Diddley to nitpick where the ones you highlighted in bold are concerned. IS has seen to it that Rolf hasn't been allowed to be worth using for two games in a row. |
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| OtakuReborn | Feb 16 2008, 12:58 AM Post #13 |
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I don't know, maybe I just got really lucky, but Rolf turned out quite well in this. He's quite durable (which is rather odd for archers), pretty damn accurate, and is good for picking off enemies (seems to critical a lot too), and fighting from a distance. I really don't see how Rolf can be that bad. I suppose the process of conditioning Rolf for your team may be a bit long, but I found it to be well worth it. As for Mia, she was the first Myrmidon that I got, and I used her a lot in the early levels. She's not too durable, but she can hold her own. Vantage proves to be invaluable, especially after promotion, because she criticals ridiculously often then. After all, this is my first play through, just to let you know. This is the first party that I went through the game with. I am playing on normal though, so I guess it's natural that most of the maps seem rather easy, even with the characters I use. Oddly enough, one of my weaker characters in the party is Ike. He's fast, accurate, and hits hard, but at level 20/12, his defense is a piddly 12, which means characters like Nephenee, Jill, Gatrie (obviously) and Rolf (!) have significantly higher defense, while Ike's defense rivals with, say, Mist, Mia, and Zihark. I'm not saying Ike is _bad_, I just assume I just got REALLY unlucky with the defense. |
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| Yzarc | Feb 16 2008, 01:59 AM Post #14 |
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You did. You'll learn quickly that you cannot assume things about peoples' stats, especially after a single playthrough. My favorite thing about debating Fire Emblem 9 is that what you're arguing, what you're trying to prove, actually holds significant ground in that, should you select Fixed Growth mode, it's not up to chance - Ike will have good defense, Rolf and Mia will suck, Marcia's stats will shoot up. That said, stat averages are important. The stats you got are but a statistic within the average, but they do not represent the whole. Rolf is pitiful. Not only are archers/snipers all around a bad class, in that they tend to be incapable of any sort of tanking or frontlining, due to not being able to counter at melee range, but Rolf comes underleveled. Coming underleveled is always a bad thing. If you're good enough to counteract that, so be it. Jill and Marcia certainly are. Rolf and Mia are subpar, even without considering the fact that they require extra training, experience and babying. |
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| Blackbird | Feb 16 2008, 03:34 AM Post #15 |
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Mia's a subpar unit that requires bonus experience and babying? This is news to me. |
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