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10 - 13 Worst Characters; Let's mix this up a bit...
Topic Started: Feb 14 2008, 07:35 AM (2,415 Views)
Yami92286
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Feb 14 2008, 07:59 PM
Maybe so but I still prefer wyverns to pegasus.I like units that don't die in two hits.

Uh huh...well, do you ever fight Sages with your Wyvern Knights? Besides the fact Peg Knights have the best resistance(second only to magic users), great speed, and usually great skill, they are also another flying unit! They are great for giant maps, something FE9 has plenty of.

Oh, and all units can die in two hits, Wyvern Knights included.
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Feb 16 2008, 06:59 AM
My favorite thing about debating Fire Emblem 9 is that what you're arguing, what you're trying to prove, actually holds significant ground in that, should you select Fixed Growth mode, it's not up to chance - Ike will have good defense, Rolf and Mia will suck, Marcia's stats will shoot up.

I suppose for debating, fixed is probably a good idea, but it feels like it's not nearly as fun as leaving it up to chance. For me, the purpose of this topic wasn't to debate who sucks, it was to get an idea of characters who generally suck in the game and try to incorporate characters that are thought less of than others into my next playthrough.
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I find that even in hard mode, wyvern knights seem to be more effective that peg knights in taking out other units
(lol may be that's just me :P )

Sadly Marcia doesn't join you at chapter 3 as she should be D:
Tanith's only use is that reinforce ability (great meat shield for weaker units)

Haar and Jil are godly compared to the pegasus knights in this game
They have excellent strengh, hp and good enough skill for any enemy.
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The worst characters, IMO, are Lucia, Bastian, Ena, Rolf, Shinon, Janaff, Elincia, Ranulf and Ulki.
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Feb 16 2008, 09:47 AM
I find that even in hard mode, wyvern knights seem to be more effective that peg knights in taking out other units
(lol may be that's just me :P )

Sadly Marcia doesn't join you at chapter 3 as she should be D:
Tanith's only use is that reinforce ability (great meat shield for weaker units)

Haar and Jil are godly compared to the pegasus knights in this game
They have excellent strengh, hp and good enough skill for any enemy.

I think Marcia and Tanith are both better than Haar. Jill is godly though.
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Feb 16 2008, 08:34 AM
Mia's a subpar unit that requires bonus experience and babying? This is news to me.

Mediocre strength at best = almost never one-rounds
Poor defences = very fragile unit

She requires babying for her to socres kills and exp, and you know what? She joins a little underlevelled anyway so she pretty much has to have bonus exp regardless.

Zihark and Stefan are also better than her in the long run, and Zihark's joining situation is much better.

That said, I really like Mia.

I'd say that Tormod, Rolf, Lucia, Bastian (although he's awesome), Devdan, Sothe, the non-royal laguz not named Muarim and Rhys are pretty much the worst characters. Rhys maybe a little iffy.

Makalov is fairly good, I just refuse to use him ever. On principle.
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Yami92286
Feb 16 2008, 07:03 AM
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Feb 14 2008, 07:59 PM
Maybe so but I still prefer wyverns to pegasus.I like units that don't die in two hits.

Uh huh...well, do you ever fight Sages with your Wyvern Knights? Besides the fact Peg Knights have the best resistance(second only to magic users), great speed, and usually great skill, they are also another flying unit! They are great for giant maps, something FE9 has plenty of.

Oh, and all units can die in two hits, Wyvern Knights included.

Wyverns have better defense and most enemies don't use magic. They're more durable than pegasus knights who are weak to everything but magic.
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Siege Magic is a Wyvern's worst nightmare.
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Huh. You know, I've been wondering about the whole "Rhys is bad" thing. I mean, obviously Mist is going to be better long run, and yeah, his defenses are appalling, but that's expected of a priest, and he's not going to be in combat anyway. However, he is your only other healer before Soren, Tormod, or Illyana promotes.

I'm thinking along the lines of the FE7 arguments, where fielding 2 healers is often a good idea, by the virtue that healers do not compete with other units for combat exp. What do you think? Is that a redeeming characteristic, or am I forgetting other flaws?

Anyway, my votes for the worst characters:

Sothe - Does not get a promotion, and is therefore capped in all stats at 20, at best. His only real merit for leveling is to make Radiant Dawn Sothe better =P (unless you have an irrational hatred of Volke and/or you are willing to trade a powerless unit for free lockpicking)

Bastian - Comes in extremely late and extremely underpowered compared to basically every other Sage in the game. Soren, Illyana, and Tormod will all practically eclipse Bastian. He's very slow, so many enemies will double and probably kill him.

Lucia - Similar situation to Bastian. She enters the game very late, with fairly low bases, given her level. Although she has excellent growths, the bases are low enough that she can never really catch up, or cap any stats. By the time she joins, any of your swordsmen, be they Mia, Zihark, or Stefan, will be leagues ahead of her. Her skill isn't very useful (in my opinion)

Devdan - Devdan has the unfortunate position of being worse than Nephenee in almost every conceivable every way. She's statistically superior, has a better skill, has better offense, etc. etc.

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You forgot Geoffrey.
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Feb 16 2008, 08:48 PM
Huh.  You know, I've been wondering about the whole "Rhys is bad" thing.  I mean, obviously Mist is going to be better long run, and yeah, his defenses are appalling, but that's expected of a priest, and he's not going to be in combat anyway.  However, he is your only other healer before Soren, Tormod, or Illyana promotes. 

I'm thinking along the lines of the FE7 arguments, where fielding 2 healers is often a good idea, by the virtue that healers do not compete with other units for combat exp.  What do you think?  Is that a redeeming characteristic, or am I forgetting other flaws?

Base Spd of 5 . . . and since they gave staves a weight in FE9, I'm assuming that means it affects your AS, too.

Which gives Rhys 3 AS at base.

. . . If not, 5 Spd is still pretty poor for a healer that relies on dodging. 40% is a nice growth, but really he needs it much higher, as it's the main thing that effects avoid.

(If staves do affect AS, then his poor strength is even worse for him - it doesn't even reach 1 before promotion.)

Of course, I never really liked Rhys.

And I thought the two-healer deal was overrated in FE7, but then again I've taken to using Serra as my healer, and with Lundgren abusing in Lyn-mode, she's normally 13+ when I get her again: thus, I don't really need to heal at every single opportunity. There's also the thing that if there is competiton between the healers, you're going to struggle to level them up.
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Staves can't be equipped, only used like items, so they don't weigh you down, meaning Rhys' poor strength doesn't affect him pre promotion. Staff weight is for stealing.

Regardless, Rhys' speed is awful. He doesn't reliably dodge, even late game, due to poor speed and poor supports. He's good early on since he's there and for a little bit after that, since he still heals, regardless of how fragile he is.

Later on, though, you have better units that can heal, so he becomes kinda useless, especially since he's not providing any really valuable supports.
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Feb 16 2008, 03:48 PM
Huh.  You know, I've been wondering about the whole "Rhys is bad" thing.  I mean, obviously Mist is going to be better long run, and yeah, his defenses are appalling, but that's expected of a priest, and he's not going to be in combat anyway.  However, he is your only other healer before Soren, Tormod, or Illyana promotes. 

I'm thinking along the lines of the FE7 arguments, where fielding 2 healers is often a good idea, by the virtue that healers do not compete with other units for combat exp.  What do you think?  Is that a redeeming characteristic, or am I forgetting other flaws?

Anyway, my votes for the worst characters:

Sothe - Does not get a promotion, and is therefore capped in all stats at 20, at best.  His only real merit for leveling is to make Radiant Dawn Sothe better =P (unless you have an irrational hatred of Volke and/or you are willing to trade a powerless unit for free lockpicking)

Bastian - Comes in extremely late and extremely underpowered compared to basically every other Sage in the game.  Soren, Illyana, and Tormod will all practically eclipse Bastian.  He's very slow, so many enemies will double and probably kill him.

Lucia - Similar situation to Bastian.  She enters the game very late, with fairly low bases, given her level.  Although she has excellent growths, the bases are low enough that she can never really catch up, or cap any stats.  By the time she joins, any of your swordsmen, be they Mia, Zihark, or Stefan, will be leagues ahead of her.  Her skill isn't very useful (in my opinion)

Devdan - Devdan has the unfortunate position of being worse than Nephenee in almost every conceivable every way.  She's statistically superior, has a better skill, has better offense, etc. etc.

Actually, Devdan is better than Nephenee in 5 stats, losing out in SKL, SPD, and DEF (fairly large leads). >_> Danved's speed problem can be fixed with a Knights ward, effectively putting his speed under hers by .1. Some can actually view him as being better if you do this, since his SKL isn't all that bad anyway (and the fact that it's not totally important anyway), and her Defense lead being by only 4 points. However, considering he'll have the KW equipted for the duration of the game if you'll be using him, that lead disappears, Making him effectively more durable with alot more HP and LUK, and more RES.

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Feb 17 2008, 12:24 AM
You forgot Geoffrey.

Geoffrey isn't all that bad.

I'd even say he's better than at least Astrid and Makalov, and perhaps Titania.
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Feb 17 2008, 09:54 AM
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Feb 17 2008, 12:24 AM
You forgot Geoffrey.

Geoffrey isn't all that bad.

I'd even say he's better than at least Astrid and Makalov, and perhaps Titania.

Definitely not better than Titania.

H4x utility >>>>>>>>>>>

Titania has a case for best unit in the game. And a good case, at that. Geoffrey has problems with coming late and having a bad weapon set (lol, bows), although lances are great.
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