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| Topic Started: Feb 19 2008, 08:30 PM (492 Views) | |
| Simon | Feb 19 2008, 08:30 PM Post #1 |
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Now, if I know Froma Harrop at all, she's voting Hillary if she gets the chance. But that last sentence makes me wonder about how people view Obama. I'm fairly centrist myself, and I know I'd vote McCain if I were able to vote. I was wondering if there were other centrists/moderates/however you call yourselves that agree or disagree with this observation. Harrop goes on to make the observation -- as hinted by her description of Obama as "vaporous" -- that Obama has an "aversion to substantive policy discussions". My thought is that I want to know the candidates' policies and want to hear what they have to say in detail...and the fact that Obama hasn't fulfilled that want is a turn off. How many of you are in the same boat? How many aren't? |
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| +Reaver | Feb 19 2008, 09:05 PM Post #2 |
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I wish to note two things before continuing: 1. Politicians lie. 2. Obama is a politician. I'd just look at his voting history to get an idea about how he stands on the issues; it'll be much more accurate about how a politician is as a decision-maker rather than what they're going to tell you. |
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| Simon | Feb 19 2008, 09:47 PM Post #3 |
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I want to hear what he says as well; his voting record will tell a lot, but I want to see whether or not this "agent of change" can truly be a change in Washington on the virtue of being able to trust his word. |
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| Crysta | Feb 19 2008, 10:24 PM Post #4 |
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I'm not voting for Obama. Not yet. People don't realize that JFK was a great speaker... but he had more experience and was a war hero as well. Even then, his first days in office sucked. Of course, most of us weren't alive back then... and we're Obama's core group. 
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| Andras | Feb 19 2008, 10:34 PM Post #5 |
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Ironically, I've heard just the opposite - if Hillary is selected, she will have a much less likely chance to pick up the centrists than Obama does. |
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| Simon | Feb 20 2008, 08:14 PM Post #6 |
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It depends on the centrist in question, I suppose. I consider myself somewhat centrist -- I'm more libertarian than anything, so I'm in the middle of conservatism and liberalism, hence centrist -- and until Obama tells me at least how he's going to execute this "change I can believe in," I'm not confident that he can make good on his promise. |
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| Andras | Feb 20 2008, 08:17 PM Post #7 |
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Pretty comprehensive, I think. |
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| Crysta | Feb 21 2008, 01:55 PM Post #8 |
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Here's the thing: none of that is in his actual speeches. Or at least not in MOST of them. It's worth noting that Barack has the most liberal and partisan voting record ever.
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| Simon | Feb 21 2008, 05:06 PM Post #9 |
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Thanks for the website, Andras.
It's exactly that which drives me away from him. I'm libertarian if anything, but more conservative than liberal; so someone that's thoroughly liberal on policies is bound to make me wary (and does, in this case). It's the partisan bit that gets me, though; if he's an agent of change, a partisan voting record contradicts the basic message he relies so heavily upon. |
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| Yzarc | Feb 21 2008, 06:45 PM Post #10 |
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How is it contradictory to both want to change something, and be both socially and economically liberal? |
  
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| Simon | Feb 21 2008, 09:58 PM Post #11 |
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It's not the liberalism that's contradictory; rather, the partisan voting record. I dislike the liberalism because my own values are decidedly conservative, and so we have a doctrinal difference. But that's not the contradiction. |
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| Crysta | Feb 21 2008, 10:05 PM Post #12 |
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I don't think he'll actually be able to get Republicans on his side. Sure, there's a few who like him (quite a few, even), but uh... they don't vote like him. I seriously doubt you're going to sweet talk the side into backing 75% of that. They like him because he's a good guy. My realism trumps my idealism in this case. |
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| Yzarc | Feb 22 2008, 12:45 PM Post #13 |
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If by "Partisan" you mean not wanting to compromise his beliefs. He's not a moderate, so he's Partisan. I don't really have that much of a problem with that. You still haven't explained how it's inherently contradictory to be both partisan and want to change things. Is it possible, and I'm just throwing this out there, that there are things that need to be changed that don't directly correlate with partisan politics? |
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| +Ema Skye | Feb 22 2008, 02:36 PM Post #14 |
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Well, I said Obama lacked substance a while ago, so I agree that he's vaporous. I'm pretty moderate, and I'm voting for McCain. |
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| Simon | Feb 22 2008, 07:26 PM Post #15 |
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Maybe I'm assuming I said something somewhere I didn't...*shrug* Obama claims that he can bring bipartisanship to the federal government. I just don't see that happening given his partisan voting record. It's not that he votes the way he does because it's the Democratic Party's way or anything, but rather that because he has such a partisan voting record that conservatives will find it hard to work with him just because of basic belief system differences. Can he actually work with conservatives and bring about bipartisanship? Perhaps. But I just don't see conservatives courting him enough to truly go with his ideas often enough to bring about true bipartisanship, which means that his promise to do so is out the window in my book. |
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