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Supports
Topic Started: Feb 27 2008, 02:47 AM (658 Views)
Laharl	Feb 27 2008, 02:47 AM Post #1
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	How do supports work in FE10? IIRC, in FE7, you had to place your units close to each other to keep the bonuses. Is it the same here?



Blackbird	Feb 27 2008, 03:43 PM Post #2
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	Supports are a little more complex in some ways, and in others, are simpler. First of all, the bonuses themselves are split between two types of support: The first type of support is a "Bond" support. Bond supports are very much like the inbuilt supports of PoR, except the game accounts for them is a visible manner now. Bond supports are permanent and cannot be changed. The only way to get more Bond supports is to transfer data from PoR... 'A' supports from that game will become Bonds in Radiant Dawn. Bond supports increase Evasion and Crit by a factor of 5 or 10. In order to receive a Bond bonus, the units must be adjacent (right next to each other). The other type of support is the "Buddy" support, which is similar to the regular supports from previous games. Everyone can have only one Buddy now, but you can freely discard the support status and begin a Buddy support with another unit, if you so choose. Buddy supports increase in each mission, until you reach a certain "level", after which you can increase the support level the next time you are at base. These points can be accumulated in a number of ways; Sending the units to the same chapters, having the units shove or rescue each other, having them stand adjacent to each other, and maybe a few others. Buddy supports increase 1 or 2 of: Atk, Def, Hit, or Eva. You must be within 3 spaces, as normal, to get Buddy support bonuses. Oh, and Support conversations pretty much suck in Radiant Dawn =P.



Laharl	Feb 29 2008, 01:34 AM Post #3
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	Blackbird Feb 27 2008, 03:43 PM Oh, and Support conversations pretty much suck in Radiant Dawn =P. How so?



Kovu	Feb 29 2008, 01:40 AM Post #4
Judge/Veteran/One of oldest members/Never been a global mod cause staff is racist against furries Posts: 14,625 Group: Judge Member #7 Joined: May 16, 2005	It seems they're really short and not in depth. Anyway, thanks, Blackbird, for that note. I was a little confused myself. ~ Kovu



Laharl	Feb 29 2008, 01:48 AM Post #5
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	I thought they were all short?



Blackbird	Feb 29 2008, 02:12 AM Post #6
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	Support conversations are very generic in Radiant Dawn; you have a preset call for each character at each support level, and a preset response (if they are being talked to). This differs very little. To give you a general idea of the depth of the conversation, a typical one goes something like this: A Call: "Hey buddy, watch your back out there!" B Reply: "Sure thing buddy, you come back alive as well!" They generally don't reveal any meaningful information or develop the characters in any significant way, unlike the previous games... in short, they are uninteresting, except from a purely statistical standpoint =P.



scotu	Feb 29 2008, 02:19 AM Post #7
Posts: 32 Group: FEFFer Member #1,657 Joined: January 21, 2008	They do however allow you to have perfect customization of who supports who though.



Laharl	Feb 29 2008, 02:57 AM Post #8
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	Thats it? Just two lines?



scotu	Feb 29 2008, 03:01 AM Post #9
Posts: 32 Group: FEFFer Member #1,657 Joined: January 21, 2008	Sometimes 3. yeah. Supports suck balls. the customization is the only redeeming quality, and it doesn't cut it. But the customization is nice.



Laharl	Feb 29 2008, 03:08 AM Post #10
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	Thats too bad. Supports were one of the coolest things in FE. I always enjoyed reading them. Blackbird Everyone can have only one Buddy now Only one? Okay, somebody needs to call Nintendo and complain. And how many bond supports can a unit have at once?



Blackbird	Feb 29 2008, 03:58 PM Post #11
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	Depending on the unit's inbuilt supports and what data you transferred from PoR, you could have anywhere between 0 and 5 Bond supports for any particular unit. Without transfer data, the most you can have is 4. You can only get the bonus for 4 at any one time, though, because the units must be adjacent to gain the bonus (one unit on each side). It's a little impractical to make such a formation the majority of the time, though, so having more Bonds mostly just increases the chances of using them. I found the support content in this game very disappointing, too. Fortunately, the lackluster supports are the only area I feel the game is really weakened in; the proverbial Achille's heel. The rest of the game has so much improved that I'm willing to forgive it for now. I just hope they improve it next game.



Laharl	Mar 1 2008, 03:07 AM Post #12
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	Was the game rushed? That might explain why the supports are so crappy.



Blackbird	Mar 1 2008, 05:02 AM Post #13
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	Not at all. Radiant Dawn is anything but rushed. It's more like the nature of the system is such that it would be extremely impractical to write supports. It is possible to support anyone with anyone else, and when you have as many characters as Radiant Dawn does, the number of conceivable combinations is insane. If they wrote full supports for every combination, the text would fill a room.



Laharl	Mar 1 2008, 05:05 AM Post #14
Narcissistic Bastard With A Hint Of Mental Insanity Or Mentally Insane With A Hint Of Narcissism Posts: 4,434 Group: Veteran Member #264 Joined: June 28, 2005	They could have fixed that by having the same number of supports as in any other FE.



Blackbird	Mar 1 2008, 03:29 PM Post #15
Posts: 181 Group: FEFFer Member #1,584 Joined: December 10, 2007	They tried something new, and it didn't work out well. It happens sometimes when you take risks in game development =P. They'll probably revert it to the old support style in the next game, or something similar.



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