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| Topic Started: Apr 21 2008, 06:41 PM (767 Views) | |
| (*Jman*) | Apr 21 2008, 06:41 PM Post #1 |
Kakatte Koi!
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teh_spamerer(Fox) & Magus(Jigglypuff) vs Alukard(Marth) and DJ Nintendo(Fox) God damn, Melee is amazing. Discuss. |
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| Kaethode | Apr 21 2008, 07:28 PM Post #2 |
 
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Agreed. Melee has so many more things to master. |
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| Pyro Ice | Apr 21 2008, 07:43 PM Post #3 |
Check The Blueprint...
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision." ~ Muhammad Ali ---------------------  
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| (*Jman*) | Apr 21 2008, 08:29 PM Post #4 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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GET RAPED! Don't be talking shit about Melee. |
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| Greth | Apr 21 2008, 09:02 PM Post #5 |
fuck all y'all
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Has been known as: mrmastodon, Greth, MF Greth, L, Shu, Sailor Star Healer Voted most manly last time, and most underrated twice in a row, shit yeah! | |
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| Pyro Ice | Apr 21 2008, 09:11 PM Post #6 |
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I meant Melee is an old game. Brawl >>>>> |
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision." ~ Muhammad Ali ---------------------
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| PhantomZero | Apr 21 2008, 09:11 PM Post #7 |
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A NEW WORLD ORDER ~Known as PhantomZero, Mr. Noogen, Yosuke Hanamura | |
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| Sarah | Apr 21 2008, 09:14 PM Post #8 |
~ La dee dum dee dum.
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It was a great game nonetheless, less trophies but slightly better pallete colors of the characters than in Brawl. |
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| Sentenal | Apr 21 2008, 10:03 PM Post #9 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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I had Omni stop with the Brawl sucks things in the Brawl topic. Do NOT start with anti-Melee things in this thread. |
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| (*Jman*) | Apr 21 2008, 10:05 PM Post #10 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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No, it isn't. The stages in Melee are a lot better than in Brawl.
On 75m, Bridge of Eldin, Pictochat, Distant Planet, Flat Zone 2, Mario Bros., Mushroomy Kingdom, New Pork City, Pirate Ship, Port Town Aero Dive, Spear Pillar, and WarioWare you can lose entirely because of random events that happen on those stages. Delfino Plaza is a lot like Mute City was in Melee except you randomly land in the places that you do and certain parts of the stage give a massive advantage to certain characters. Also, you can fall through that giant gold part that you land on. Final Destination got ruined in this game because of the space under the ledge. Hanenbow can be camped on for the entire match as badly as Hyrule Temple. Luigi's Mansion is AWFUL. Ness' PK Fire on the pillars creates a barrier of fire that is irritating to deal with, Zero Suit Samus' up B is very annoying on this stage, and Meta Knight's whornado is even gayer on this stage then it is elsewhere to name a few easily exploitable strategies. Lylat Cruise is a fun stage until the edges move and you get screwed over by that. Norfair, besides having lava everywhere, has six ledges which makes it laughably easy to just ledgecamp. Pokemon Stadium 2's ice, wind, and electric transformations are all highly disruptive. The ice one makes you slip everywhere, the wind one makes gravity awful, and the electric one can be very stupid. Fox can land on the conveyor belt with his side b from off the stage and die because he can get pushed off the stage and go into his falling animation. You can trip on Rumble Falls then die because the stage moves and the spikes and switches just make the stage gayer. Shadow Moses Island has walls on the sides, which means that Fox can infinite everyone by just pressing down and B repeatedly and Dedede can chaingrab infinite everyone except Fox, Jigglypuff, Pikachu, Olimar, Zelda, Mr. Game & Watch, Sheik, Kirby, Squirtle, Meta Knight, Falco, Luigi, ZSS until they're high enough to die from a dsmash. Skyworld's destroyable platforms are very gay before you destroy them. Meta Knight's whornado as well as various other moves beneath them are too good. Summit is slippery and the gravity changes on the stage.
To make it even harder to combo, the Arwings and Wolfens on Corneria and the cars on Onett barely do anything in terms of knockback. The lava on Brinstar no longer rapes anybody if they're idiotic enough to fall into it. The windmill on Pokemon Stadium is very homosexual now that it blocks you. Temple, Big Blue, and Yoshi's Island are all still bad stages. Jungle Japes is still awful because of the klaptrap but the water is a bit less gay(though in melee it could easily be worked with if you knew what you were doing.) By contrast, the stages in SSBM are a lot less gay. I could live with the stages being the way they are as there are still some good stages if the GAMEPLAY didn't suck. Problems with Brawl's gameplay - Barely any legit combos that aren't highly situational, tripping, air tripping, and everyone move slow as hell in the air. Comboing in Brawl is nearly impossible once you reach the third or fourth hit. Even some of the two hit combos are too situational to matter much. Anyone intelligent can airdodge out of things that don't combo or just mash buttons after they get hit and get rewarded by trading hits. Getting random hits for the ENTIRE game is pretty lame. Tripping is just awful. Sakurai decided that he'd be an asshole and make you fall over just for trying to dash. Games can be decided based on if you tripped or if your opponent did. LAME. How would you feel if you were playing Halo 3 and you fell over while trying to snipe someone and got hit by a headshot? I'd be pretty pissed. Air tripping is even worse. If you air trip off the stage, you die. You can't do anything except watch your character fall down until the bottom of the stage. The only things Brawl has over Melee are a better soundtrack and a better single player mode. Summary Melee has better stages than Brawl Melee actually has real combos that aren't highly situational Melee has better gameplay than Brawl Brawl has a better soundtrack than Melee Brawl has a better single player mode than Melee In conclusion, Melee is overall a better game than Brawl. EDIT: I started this post before Sentenal said to stop the anti-Melee things in this thread, but to bring on back on-track about how amazing Melee is, here are some vids http://youtube.com/watch?v=skIVzfhuKFc http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQfB4pK99Rc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8rQ_0zNIg Scar is too good 
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| +Santi | Apr 21 2008, 10:15 PM Post #11 |
Da Niggaz Leader
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Can you just let people enjoy their game  Melee was good and all but Brawl's newer and improved in most aspects. |
 
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| Hospitality | Apr 21 2008, 10:21 PM Post #12 |
My rooming is horrible.
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Melee has this too. It's called Battlefield.
You counterpick to exploit stages and character weaknesses on stages m i rite? The other stages on there make me lawl, simply because I can pull good examples out of my ass for Melee. Great Bay. Instadeath, gay turtle, shitty barriers, gay for space animals, ect. Mushroom Kingdom 1 and 2. No explanation. Venom. lol Tripping is pretty fucking gay, I'll admit that. I've only seen Sonic airtrip. Comboing is possible. You just don't rush through every single combo. You have to wait for their airdodge and anticipate. If you attack after each airdodge, nothing they can do. Manuverable Air characters lol. Now for the gameplay in melee. Tripping is broken, but Melee is more broken than MvC2, which is saying alot. The game has gotten to the point of either you combo the space animal, or you get fucked by the space animal. Not much fun for tourneys since everything is the same. Brawl is waaaay more balanced than Melee (Except for Ganon, Link C.F. and sliding around snake). This may depend on some opinions, but I like auto cancel alot more than calckity clack clack. It let's a person think abotu their moves more instead of playing DDR with the T.V. I also feel this way about Mario kart since snaking took the fun out of it. I really don't want to destroy my thumb playing the game, I just want to play the game. A tiny bit more hit stun and no tripping, Brawl would be a better tourney game than melee. |
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| cool story bro | Apr 21 2008, 10:22 PM Post #13 |
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Omni, you bring up a lot of good points, and I'm certainly not going to sit here and tell you that you're entirely wrong. Melee is better suited for competitive play then Brawl. But I still prefer Brawl. Why? I can't speak for everybody, but I consider myself a mix of casual and competitive. I enjoy playing with the competitive mindset, and the competitive ruleset. I'll even go to a tournament if it's close by. My goal, however, is never to win money, or to become the best in the area, I'm simply not that dedicated. So for me, the simple reason why I prefer Brawl is that Melee is old. I don't know if you have heard this argument before, but Melee is a 7 year old game, one that I am really tired of playing. Honestly, if Brawl never came out, I wouldn't attempt to become a competitive Melee player, because the game is too old for me, and I want something new. Now obviously, for somebody like you, and I guess Lucas as well, oldness isn't a factor. You guys want to play the game that you feel is more competitive which makes sense for you guys. But think about it. Even with the hardcore crowd, most of the competitive smash players would classify themselves in the same category as me. And like me, they have fun wth Brawl, and don't need the ultimate competitive experience, as long as it is competitive enough. It is this reason why I prefer Brawl, and think Melee's days are numbered. Sorry if it's too long and philosophical, but I read the topics on Smashboards a lot. 
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| (*Jman*) | Apr 21 2008, 11:04 PM Post #14 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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Incorrect. In fact, Battlefield's ledges are BETTER than the ledges on other stages because Marth can't edgeguard space animals with counter. Here is video proof: http://youtube.com/watch?v=bg9GPpEwIrY More importantly, the reason that the space under FD is gay is not because if you mess up your recovery you get stuck down there and die. I have no problems with that. The problem is that Meta Knight and Jiggs can camp under there and then grab the ledge with super safe methods. If either of them hit you once and then hide under there you're going to have a VERY hard time winning if you do at all.
Yes, but the thing is the exploits on the Brawl stages are either exploits that necessitate the stages being banned or dull as dirt to deal with. No camping in Brawl looks unique or interesting. It's just throwing projectiles to deal damage. It's not elegant or refined.
Great Bay is only gay because of Fox in singles. It's not banned in doubles. Regardless, my problem with the stages in Melee is that almost every non neutral is either stupid to the point that it has to be banned or involves boring camping. There's nothing like Kongo Jungle 64, which isn't a bad stage to fight on. There's nothing like Brinstar, which while it can be punishing also can be rewarding if you aren't an idiot and use it intelligently.
Lord Knight said that he air tripped with Dedede on his last stock in a tournament match and lost because of it. An NJ player named Eggm air tripped with Pikachu in a tournament match and lost because of that.
That's not a combo, that's called random hit and pray they air dodge followed by another random hit. Stuff like that doesn't work if your opponent just decides to mash an attack in your direction.
O M F G you did not just say that Melee is more broken then MvC2! You are either drunk or you're deluding yourself. You can infinite someone in MVC2 until their character dies then infinite their next character as it comes out and repeat until you win. That ALONE makes MvC2 significantly more broken then Melee. Brawl is NOT way more balanced then Melee in terms of characters. All the top tiers completely rape everything and all the awful characters are completely helpless. Melee is about SO MUCH more than comboing and Space Animals AREN'T broken. Fox loses to Donkey Kong and Marth. Falco loses to Fox and Ice Climbers. They also have some even matchups and certain matchups they have are stage dependent. For instance, Captain Falcon beats Fox on Dreamland 64. Fox beats CF on Pokemon Stadium. The other neutrals are all debatable. When's the last time a space animal player won a major tournament? IIRC, it was PC Chris like 2 years ago when nobody knew how to deal with laser grabbing.
See, here's the thing, I don't mind hearing that. You're allowed to like Brawl more than Melee. What I mind are the people who posted "OLD" and "Brawl >>>>>" when Melee is a significantly superior competitive game. |
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| Feez | Apr 21 2008, 11:16 PM Post #15 |
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Ebullient Future
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So, should I change the topic title to "Brawl vs. Melee" or are we going to get back on topic?? |
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