Debate Tournament: Gauging Interest

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Debate Tournament: Gauging Interest
Topic Started: Jun 8 2008, 02:58 PM (1,221 Views)
Soja	Jun 13 2008, 01:16 AM Post #91
Gentle Water, Crashing Waves Posts: 5,172 Group: Global Moderator Member #451 Joined: October 15, 2005	Appeals to emotion are used in debates all the time. Charisma quite often trumps logic in debate. Some debaters know this and utilize it as a weapon. But bewarned, I can discern between an appeal to emotion and an ad hominem. I believe most people I named as potential judges can. Were I to judge, I would look for excellence in a presentation rather than how I favor one or the other based on what it represents.
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Yzarc	Jun 13 2008, 01:32 AM Post #92
Coxian Posts: 3,432 Group: Veteran Member #308 Joined: July 8, 2005	IMO, you'd have to prove that your version of morality is more right than the other person's in an objective, nonemotional way. In other words, you can't be emotional, because of how immature that is, and I don't feel like you should try to appeal to the judge's emotions either, since they're supposedly somewhat nonbiased. But you could still use emotions, and simply prove why your emotion is more right than the other person's. I'm probably talking in circles now, so I'll stop.



Nick	Jun 13 2008, 06:42 AM Post #93
Brit Posts: 6,491 Group: Judge Member #659 Joined: March 8, 2006	Sounds suspiciously like we're moving towards Definism to me, but I think I know what you're trying to say. What I would accept is this: If you can prove that your moral argument is logically viable for reasons entirely outside its moral substance, the point is valid.
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+Reaver	Jun 13 2008, 07:36 AM Post #94
Troll Posts: 8,613 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	Soja Jun 12 2008, 12:43 AM I skipped the ego-driven bullshit after reading Reaver's last post, which I concur with. If I debate, I will not judge, and if I judge, I will not debate. I'm not going to enter, but I might be willing to judge. There you go, x1 volunteer. Since Reaver proposed this idea to begin with, I think it would be right that he be a judge as well. I think the simplest way to make a judge panel would be to use three members rather than five. At the least it must be an odd number so that there are no even splits between votes. If you are going to use five, I do suggest Nick and Rin for the reasons they mentioned: most of these aren't issues that concern them and thus there is a natural form of neutrality within them. I also consider them to have advanced reading comprehension, something that should be requisite in a judge for a written debate. Add Neo and you have five names. Best post in this thread by far. I'll follow in Soja's Sample. So - unless anyone majorly objects - Soja, Myself, and Nick/Neo/Solide will be judges. The only reason I don't say Rin is because she hasn't posted here, ergo doesn't show interest. Furthermore, I think it's fair to say judges will choose topics for rounds.
	Neon,June 8 2005 07:34 PM @Reaver: Me grammer is better than ur post count newbie. HJ, December 30 2008 06:20 PM You gave Inui his first (and last?) sexual experience, didn't you? That's historic. Favorite Staffer Summer 2008 -- Send me a Personal Message


Nick	Jun 13 2008, 07:38 AM Post #95
Brit Posts: 6,491 Group: Judge Member #659 Joined: March 8, 2006	Reaver Best post in this thread by far. I'll follow in Soja's Sample. ~~only because he agreed with you~~ So, has it been resolved that judges will not debate? I don't really mind...
	jesus somebody get onto msn


Super Saiyan SolidSense	Jun 13 2008, 01:43 PM Post #96
Posts: 896 Group: FEFFer Member #1,311 Joined: June 15, 2007	Quote: Appeals to emotion are used in debates all the time. Charisma quite often trumps logic in debate. Some debaters know this and utilize it as a weapon. What is actually done in the real world is not under question here; we're simply trying to provide an atmosphere conducive to fair and objective judging. That being said, I think it's reasonable to give the judges the benefit of the doubt and assume that they can, at least to some degree, distinguish between a powerful emotional appeal and pure bullcrap. Quote: So, has it been resolved that judges will not debate? I don't really mind... Normally, I would ask that the judges be allowed to debate - that is the way that the FE debate competitions were always run, and very seldom did I detect biased voting in those (usually, the best debaters were the ones who judged, and they also proved to be the fairest and most objective in their decisions). However, in this particular case, three of the judges have already stated earlier in this topic that they will not be participating in the actual contest, so all we would require is two more and we would have a panel of judges completely unaffiliated with the competition in any other way. So, yes, I think it would be reasonable to ask the other two not to participate as well.
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Rin	Jun 13 2008, 08:41 PM Post #97
TOTALLY A MAN Posts: 2,148 Group: Veteran Member #111 Joined: June 10, 2005	Reaver Jun 13 2008, 11:36 PM Soja Jun 12 2008, 12:43 AM I skipped the ego-driven bullshit after reading Reaver's last post, which I concur with. If I debate, I will not judge, and if I judge, I will not debate. I'm not going to enter, but I might be willing to judge. There you go, x1 volunteer. Since Reaver proposed this idea to begin with, I think it would be right that he be a judge as well. I think the simplest way to make a judge panel would be to use three members rather than five. At the least it must be an odd number so that there are no even splits between votes. If you are going to use five, I do suggest Nick and Rin for the reasons they mentioned: most of these aren't issues that concern them and thus there is a natural form of neutrality within them. I also consider them to have advanced reading comprehension, something that should be requisite in a judge for a written debate. Add Neo and you have five names. Best post in this thread by far. I'll follow in Soja's Sample. So - unless anyone majorly objects - Soja, Myself, and Nick/Neo/Solide will be judges. The only reason I don't say Rin is because she hasn't posted here, ergo doesn't show interest. Furthermore, I think it's fair to say judges will choose topics for rounds. Rin HAS posted here. In fact, Rin even suggested she be a judge. Also, Rin is speaking in first person.
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+Reaver	Jun 13 2008, 08:52 PM Post #98
Troll Posts: 8,613 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	Harem Jun 13 2008, 09:41 PM Rin HAS posted here. In fact, Rin even suggested she be a judge. Also, Rin is speaking in first person. Forgive me, I tend to suck at reading. To rephrase my post in light of me being a dumbass... "So - unless anyone majorly objects - Soja, Myself, and Nick/Neo/Solide/Rin will be judges."
	Neon,June 8 2005 07:34 PM @Reaver: Me grammer is better than ur post count newbie. HJ, December 30 2008 06:20 PM You gave Inui his first (and last?) sexual experience, didn't you? That's historic. Favorite Staffer Summer 2008 -- Send me a Personal Message


+Reaver	Jun 13 2008, 09:10 PM Post #99
Troll Posts: 8,613 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	K, so these are the plans (Basically Solide's ideas): 1. 1 5-panel crew of judges, primarily thought out to allow one person to debate. 2. 2 3-panel judging crews assigned to debates beforehand. Anyone have any problems? Nick/Neo/Solide/Rin want to talk over which option they prefer?
	Neon,June 8 2005 07:34 PM @Reaver: Me grammer is better than ur post count newbie. HJ, December 30 2008 06:20 PM You gave Inui his first (and last?) sexual experience, didn't you? That's historic. Favorite Staffer Summer 2008 -- Send me a Personal Message


Rin	Jun 13 2008, 10:35 PM Post #100
TOTALLY A MAN Posts: 2,148 Group: Veteran Member #111 Joined: June 10, 2005	I think I like option 2. Probably more efficient when it comes to the crunch. See, the five panel crew may lead to a debate between the judges themselves considering there will be more viewpoints to take into account. Three's effective, and with two sets, they can cover more debates faster. Also there's the added bonus of not having to read every single debate, just half of the pool. I can get really distracted if I have to read too many serious articles all in one go. Don't know what that'll mean for judges who want to compete, however.
	Av and Sig were definitely not made by Pendant or fez.


+Ema Skye	Jun 13 2008, 10:59 PM Post #101
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,956 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Three judges is probably simpler and better.
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Super Saiyan SolidSense	Jun 13 2008, 11:43 PM Post #102
Posts: 896 Group: FEFFer Member #1,311 Joined: June 15, 2007	If you go with Option 2, let the judges also debate.
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*Crysta*	Jun 14 2008, 12:02 AM Post #103
yay for conformity! Posts: 10,592 Group: FEFF Emperor Member #443 Joined: October 8, 2005	Five might be better, since there's people who want to judge. It'll keep their interest as well. Three's fine, too, and easier.
	~ Crysta, Zombie Queen


+Ema Skye	Jun 14 2008, 12:06 AM Post #104
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,956 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	SolidSense Jun 13 2008, 11:43 PM If you go with Option 2, let the judges also debate. Word.
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Nick	Jun 14 2008, 05:49 AM Post #105
Brit Posts: 6,491 Group: Judge Member #659 Joined: March 8, 2006	Um. Option two sounds okay to me. I'm guessing we'll use a selection from both panels if members from each panel come up against one another
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