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| Topic Started: Jul 13 2008, 05:41 PM (2,050 Views) | |
| smash fanatic | Jul 13 2008, 05:41 PM Post #1 |
 
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I believe this is Reikken's most recent one (and I feel that his tier list is the most accurate one around... other than mine of course, but it's better if I post someone else's tier list so I don't look so egotistical). -W1n- Titania -Top- Jill Kieran Oscar Boyd Reyson Tanith -High- Marcia Ike Makalov Astrid Mist Muarim Mordecai Nephenee -Upper Mid- Volke Stefan Rhys Brom Geoffrey Soren Zihark Tauroneo Ilyana Lethe Tormod Calill Sothe Haar -Lower Mid- Gatrie Devdan Mia Largo Nasir Ranulf Ena Ulki -Low- Shinon Elincia Janaff Rolf -Bottom- Lucia Bastian |
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| AdamNW | Jul 13 2008, 07:20 PM Post #2 |
Needs moar Sety
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Order assumed, I think that Kieran joining at a higher level, with a better weapon, and superior supports, is better then Jill. Jill only has a range advantage in a couple chapters too. Also I think that Ilyana should be closer to Soren <__< |
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| smash fanatic | Jul 14 2008, 03:15 AM Post #3 |
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Kieran's only real lead over Jill is speed (which is nice, obviously, but stops mattering after awhile). Even 4 levels higher, Kieran only wins HP by 6, ties str, and actually loses def by 1. And yeah, Kieran has chapter 11 to level up in, but he won't be gaining very much stats in 1 chapter. Better supports? It's not like Oscar needs to support Kieran (he has Ike and Tanith, and is above average in HP/def, and just one support gives him above average avoid too, plus access to Sol and knight ward), and the bonuses in Kieran x Marcia/Rhys are kinda sucky, so they don't miss out on much, and then Kieran really doesn't need defensive supports to begin with (similar HP/def/Sol/KW access as Oscar). Although, Mist can do without Jill (game's best support list anyone?), and then Lethe/Haar are kinda sucky... Both Jill and Kieran aren't that worried about dying, and neither are giving out crucial support bonuses. Better weapon? Not really. The difference in hit between axes and lances actually matters a little early on, and then Jill gets axes anyway. This is basically how I figure it out (well actually, I thought Kieran was better at first, then I lost to Reikken who was defending Jill....) You can fix Jill's speed. You can give her a bit of BEXP, or speedwing, or give her the speed band which will help out lategame speed. She also has a chance of just being speed blessed. And most times, Jill can double the enemy anyway. The faster ones like myrms and cats do give her trouble though, as well as when she first starts out. There are multiple ways to fix Jill's speed, so the chances that you can fix it without hurting the rest of the team too much is fairly high. You can't give Kieran flying. And yeah, flying is pretty h4x. The bridges in chapter 13 are very narrow; chapter 15 is a desert (obvious w1n, 8 move >> 2), chapter 17 has swamps, chapter 19 and 20 have cliffs, chapter 21 has lots of waterways to fly over, chapter 23 lets you avoid the traps, chapter 25 lets you fly around the mountain at will (while Kieran has halved move), etc. And yeah, flying's weakness can be fixed (full guard), and bows usuaully aren't a threat anyway save for ballistae. A level 1 sniper with a steel bow does 9 damage to a 20/1 Jill's 36 HP with A Mist, and a bow paladin only does 2 more than that. And Jill has 20 def, and she's taking like 5 damage from everything else (level 1 halbs with steel lance do 1-2 damage), so she's not in much danger of dying even if she gets attacked by a bow, unless she's tanking like 5 other enemies and they all hit her. This also means that Kieran's better durability doesn't matter much. Neither are dying much, and neither will need much healing. So... you can fix Jill up to eliminate Kieran's lead, and it's not really worth too much anyway save for the first few chapters she's around. You can't fix Kieran up to eliminate Jill's flying lead. Ilyana? Which way? Do you want Soren to move down or Ilyana to move up? The best and fastest way to do that would be to prove that some unit between them is better/worse, depending on who you want to move. Unless you think Soren and Ilyana should be right next to each other... |
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| Former Guest | Jul 14 2008, 06:07 PM Post #4 |
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Wow, fourth tier is as large as the three stacked on each end. Top and high tiers overflowing with most of the mounted pplz doesn't come as much of a surprise. That would probably stay warranted in this game even if they were forced to dismount for some chapters. 
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| Sothe | Aug 19 2008, 04:48 PM Post #5 |
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I disagree with a lot of this but I'll just end up getting my ass kicked if I try to debate, so.  Just two questions though, when did Tanith get to be Top tier, and why? And, Sothe above Gatrie? 
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| THR | Aug 19 2008, 05:08 PM Post #6 |
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reinforcements is just that good. unless you consider her h4x bases and how she supports oscar (h4x), reyson (h4x), and marcia (h4x) and has an earth affinity or the fact that she has h4x mobility and re-move On Sothe Killing things is that much harder than tanking in PoR. Everyone can survive, but liek, no one can kill effectively. Gatrie fills a role that almost everyone else can do. and better. Sothe fills a role that only volke can do. Gatrie also has suck mobility, to use him, you need to advance slowly and have your gained bexp per chapter be raepd. |
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| Sothe | Aug 19 2008, 05:41 PM Post #7 |
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Forgot about the Earth Affinity. |
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| Yzarc | Aug 19 2008, 06:26 PM Post #8 |
Coxian
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IMO, Reinforce is overrated and Marcia existing when not everyone can double makes her better. |
  
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| Reikken | Aug 19 2008, 06:48 PM Post #9 |
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How is Reinforce at all over-rated? "her existing when not everyone can double" is good once she gets enough str to put that spd to good use, but not before. She's pretty meh when she joins even with a few hundred bexp. She has more spd than others, sure, but also less str/def/hp. |
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| Sothe | Aug 19 2008, 07:15 PM Post #10 |
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Wait, I though HR just said you need to hit hard to be good, and Tanith has pretty bad Strength compared to other units iirc. |
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| Reikken | Aug 19 2008, 07:20 PM Post #11 |
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Nah, her str is fine. It only starts being low for the last couple chapters, after she level caps. |
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| Sothe | Aug 19 2008, 07:25 PM Post #12 |
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K. And did you mean that Reinforcements isn't overrated because it's really good or because nobody thinks it's overrated? 
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| Reikken | Aug 19 2008, 07:56 PM Post #13 |
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Reinforce is good. |
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| Sarah | Aug 19 2008, 08:25 PM Post #14 |
~ La dee dum dee dum.
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Why isn't Ike in top tier when Aether=pwnage and that he is needed to kill the last boss. Put him in top tier. Tanith overall is better than Marcia, as she starts at a better sword level than Marcia when she promotes, and that Tanith won't take much effort to grow her enough strentgh. Plus, she can reinforce. As for Tanith, she stays as she is. Why is Titania above everyone else in Top Tier, as sometimes she can have a little trouble against the Laguz cats towards the endgame, as she often gets doubled by them. Titania should go below Oscar in Top Tier. |
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| THR | Aug 19 2008, 09:11 PM Post #15 |
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idunno, maybe the fact that he doesnt have aether for a little over half the game or the fact that ragnell comes pretty late. or the fact that he's sitting there at lvl 20/0 for quite a while and all he'll do is hurt your exp if you use him in combat. or the fact that he's locked in swords
dunno wry your saying this
lolz, she's better than everyone else for over half the game, still pwn for the rest, and only gets slightly below pwn endgame all that>>>>>>anything else top tier has to offer |
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