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| ATTN: FEFF Members All; Concerning an important matter | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 12 2008, 09:56 PM (1,086 Views) | |
| Askio | Aug 12 2008, 09:56 PM Post #1 |
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This is concerning what I feel is an important issue. That issue is Inui (so everyone knows who I’m talking about.) Since I have become more active in posting, I’ve come to realize just the sort of things he says in his posts, particularly in games. And while I understand and he has clearly pointed out, most times he is within the rules. But I think there is a time when toting the line between right and wrong regardless of the rules is wrong, and that enough steps have been stretches to say the least, in order to be considered within the rules. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not here to write just another angry speech about Lucas being a total ass. That’s been tried by many people, most recently by Greth, bless ‘em. And though I not only admire but agree with many of their remarks, and applaud them for their efforts in bringing Lucas’s character out into the light, I already know that the particular method they have used isn’t right and doesn’t work. Lucas doesn’t care. So rather than bitch about him, I’m bitching about something else. The fact that other people, you who have power, have done nothing to quell him. In fact, your inaction has, for lack of a better phrase, encouraged and allowed this to grow and fester into what it is today. Let’s look at what most already see. Lucas comes into many topics. Needless to say of his character, he can have some fairly insightful things to say. And I completely respect he has an MLG status in particular areas of gaming. Not to mention he has done some nice stuff for me, like giving me the FE6 emulator. But that’s not good enough for what he does. Well congradufukalations, you’re an MLG. That’s fine. What I have a problem with is that he flaunts this around, entering numerous topics, insulting a person in various ways, finding fault for anything and everything someone besides him says, and claims almost godly status. Maybe it’s because so many people have bitched about it before, or it’s become accepted as one many quirks here at FEFF. But the fact is, for everything that he has done, he has crossed the line of the rules many times. Small infractions, yet numerous. In fact, just in the soul caliber IV thread, he was warned to stop trolling by Manfred (I think that’s reaver, but I’m not sure). Yet he has done that so many times, in which anyone of any lesser status would have been given a boot in the ass, told to shut up, and not do it again, if they did it even a quarter of the times Lucas does it, it would be hell city for them. Yet nothing has been done. For all of his warnings, for all the talk, I have rarely seen any administrative action. This brings me to why I am posting this today. I request that the administrative staff review the rules, and look at what Lucas has done, and ask themselves if what he is doing should really be allowed. His posts can contain useful information, but are often accompanied by insults of all manners and forms, which I believe is against the rules (among a whole list of other things I could complain about). Not to mention he constantly ruins topics by posting things that incite reactions out of people, and we spend more time telling him to shut up rather than talk about the actual thread. And you can say just ignore him, but is hard to ignore Lucas when his crap is filling up half a thread, and its covering half my screen. I feel strongly, and I think many will agree with me, that he is getting away with to many things that would generally not be ignored. In a sense, I think the situation is like a parent ignoring little things a child does, thus spoiling the child. In the end, if action is not taken early to correct the mistakes, or to at least admit he has made mistakes, that only allows more and more to occur, until its in a situation of the child getting away with all but the most blatant of crimes, (or in this case rule breaking) and a sense of denial for the child. Or perhaps it is simply because he has been around for so long, and the situation of his long raining time here gives a sense similar to a cop writing another cop a ticket. But the fact of the matter is if a problem is big enough, it warrants action. So I ask the administration to evaluate what I have said. I’m not saying give him the ban hammer, to suspend him for what he is doing, or even to strip him of any form of power, but rather, put a tighter leash on, for lack of a better phrase. If my request is not at least considered, I will have to express my doubts in some of the decision making abilities of the staff, which I don’t want to have to do, since I think that overall, our staff members are sound, and aside from some unusual quirks every now and then, their decisions are relatively fair and justified, despite the saying of some members from time to time. And I just like you guys in general anyways, since you generally come up with some great stuff, and aren’t tight asses. (*cough* most times  ) But there comes a time when to let things slide, and knowing when to crack the whip. And I think its time to do some cracking, because I think if Lucas is allowed flaunt his arrogant and insulting comments around the board relatively unchecked; it not only ruins the image of the whole board when we spend half a topic arguing with him, but can not only possibly drive away new members, but current ones as well. I have seen disputes drive members away from a board before, and regardless of what people say of that, losing good members is not good at all. And Lucas flaunting his e-penis halfway across the board is a problem waiting to happen.I sincerely hope you do consider some of the opinions I have on this topic, and will discuss this. Sincerely Askio A. Fanng |
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| Soja | Aug 12 2008, 10:10 PM Post #2 |
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Manfred = Soja That said, this is an issue I've had for a while. The thing is that he comes and goes and ebbs and recedes, and most of his explosively poor attitude is relegated to the gaming forum, in particular when any form of competitive play is brought up This is an attitude problem and not really something the administration can surely fix. All they can do is apply negative reinforcement in the way of warns and chastisements in the manner that I gave. Honestly, that wasn't toting the line. That was a blatant, unabashed, clear-eyed, straight-faced flame of a degree that was wholly unwarranted as a response. For any reason. This thread should really be in the Suggestions & Questions board. I will likely be absent against my will for several days, so maybe I will come back to a resolved situation, or a flaming crater.I encourage that all participants in this matter engage in a semi-courteous manner of discourse as Askio has exhibited. I'll go ahead and say it now: petty insults and general asshattery will not be tolerated in the discussion. Should you resort to that, you will be ignored, and rightfully so. |
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| Sentenal | Aug 12 2008, 10:16 PM Post #3 |
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I agree his attitude is bad, and it can send threads down the toilet. I can't be in every thread (I only recently saw the SC4 thread, and stay out of most Smash threads now), so when he does Flame or Troll, please let a me, or a moderator, know. And we will deal with it. Much of the time he isn't going out of bounds with the rules, and we can't do anything against alot of the stuff he says in those threads, in regards to his elitism. We can't warn people for being arrogant, for example. I advise just ignoring when he is acting like that. But if he is insulting people, or saying things to try and start trouble, we can do things about that. |
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| Askio | Aug 12 2008, 10:26 PM Post #4 |
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Manfred = Soja. Sorry, should have guessed that. so PW = Reaver Im guessing. Im glad that I know what your real opinions are so far. And thanks for that Soja, I think my stance on how people have done things about this being flawed was correct. Being civil can be good at times. very rare times, but none the less...and perhaps I was misunderstood, I know you can't change him. Im not asking that. the problem with sending a pm every single time he does the things he has done, your PM would be so full it would drive you to insanity sentanal. Im simply stating what I feel needs to be considered. You don't have to be there every time, just enough that he gets it through that skull of his. |
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| Leon | Aug 12 2008, 10:29 PM Post #5 |
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PW is Phil. I agree that Inui's elieteness is incredibly annoying - it has made me avoid the Smash forums. Unfortunately, having an ego that makes you a prick doesn't break any rules. But making this suggestion does send a message - many members have clearly stated that Inui's attitude is unappealing to almost all members of this forum - he simply needs to cut it out. I don't want to make this sound like the staff hasn't done anything because Inui is part of the adviser board, so he just gets a slap on the wrist - I wouldn't ever let that happen. But he's smart enough to not brake any written rules. |
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| Sentenal | Aug 12 2008, 10:31 PM Post #6 |
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Technically, if he flames/trolls enough to get warned 5 times, he gets banned. But hes smart to enough to stop after a warning or two. |
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| cool story bro | Aug 12 2008, 10:35 PM Post #7 |
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I agree that his attitude is shitty from time to time. He can be very helpful (and has been) but his arrogance is so great that you often forget that. That being said, I can't see anything the staff can do to actually fix this problem. This is his personal issue, and only he can do anything to change it. |
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| Soja | Aug 12 2008, 10:43 PM Post #8 |
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Ever since the Godforsaken year of 2005 I've told him this, especially when he was ousted from power pending a forum riot. I told him that no matter how numerous the good things you have done in the past, you can easily destroy a lifetime of work in just a few days. His response to the matter took place in private discourse that I will exhibit only with his permission. I don't tell him these things because I hate him. He's alright outside the realm of uber-competitive Smash, but... 
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| +Reaver | Aug 12 2008, 10:47 PM Post #9 |
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I rarely change my name. At any rate, most people are sick of his attitude about the subject (see: Greth's massive post bashing and flaming Lucas), but it's not like he violates any real rules. I'd just ignore it, seeing as the MLG point of view isn't necessarily trolling. His status isn't offering him any protection, I assure you of that. |
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| +Santi | Aug 12 2008, 11:02 PM Post #10 |
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This is a forum, people can post their own opinions as long as they're within the rules. Be realistic here: do you really expect us to start slapping people on the wrist for having a bad attitude? What's the point in having the freedom to post in a forum if what you say is controlled? There are limits that we already have and he's not breaking them. Just let it slide, bro. |
   
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| Askio | Aug 12 2008, 11:02 PM Post #11 |
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you've missed a few of his recent bashings I see. check SCIV topic for more details, as well as others in the gaming section. Both of you I think will agree that his actions, as Soja has already seen, have become more and more, well, blatant at times. And sorry, though you were in on the massive AA series change. CURSE YOU!!!confusing at times. But like I said, its not really his attitude, but what he has done with it in posts, especially recently, he seems to have gone into a degree of whole other level. All I am asking is awareness for, and to make sure that necessary attention is and will be given. I don't want a whole other incident like back then to occur because Lucas pushed someone the wrong way, and that person was willing to take extremes for it. I really want to avoid that headache again.... Attitude is his problem, but what he does here becomes everyones problem.(In theory) So yeah, he is entitled to his opinion, but not if that involves bashing threads and members for no legit reason,or any reason at all, in the process. |
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| Soja | Aug 12 2008, 11:08 PM Post #12 |
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This is the kind of bullshit Askio is complaining against. Someone tell me how that's not a flame. |
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| Leon | Aug 12 2008, 11:11 PM Post #13 |
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Sentenal already warned him for that. |
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| +Cubic | Aug 12 2008, 11:13 PM Post #14 |
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I'm annoyed because every good topic somebody creates, Lucas just goes in and tries to prove everyone wrong, and that he's right, and proceeds to create aloooot of tension, and makes you not want to post in that topic anymore.
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| Soja | Aug 12 2008, 11:15 PM Post #15 |
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Here is the exact post. Yes, it is the SCIV thread. |
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