Yzarc

Apr 22 2009, 10:02 AM

It's a horrible comparison to make. If you feel like you're "not being represented" you're wrong. That's what you vote for. The colonies didn't have representatives in England, so that actually was taxation without representation. Just because the majority of Americans disagree with your economic policy doesn't mean you're not being represented. I'm using the general "you" here, not talking to you specifically, but to the people who are protesting like this is some crazy scandal.

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People believe that we aren't being represented, due to the majority stonewalling the minority. Do you remember Nancy Pelosi's "We won the election, we wrote the bill"? Basically its the idea that 50+% of Americans have their representation (idk the actual numbers) . But what about that remaining 49-% of Americans? Where was their say in (for example) the Stimulus bill? Where is their say in the federal Budget? I want to be very clear, that we do not live in a Democracy. We never were a Democracy. And God willing, we will never be a Democracy. A Democracy is a state where there is tyranny of the Majority. We do not live in a state like that. In our country, even the minority should get a say in matters of policy. And that is not happening right now. Thus, Taxation without Representation.

Black Knight

Jul 20 2009, 05:15 AM

See now, you're in the minority. It's suppose to taste like a shit taco.

By the way, I believe when disagreement was expressed about the previous president's actions when you all were in power, I believe the response was 'Why do you hate America?', 'watch what you say', 'love it or leave it', 'suck my trucknuts' Also, Hitler never had a set of commemorative plates.

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I'm back! And all I can say is, Lunamaria Hawke, number one! I don't expect to get more than one post in, so I think I'll make it count as I run ruckshaw over the complaining.

Simon

Jul 20 2009, 12:03 PM

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.To the first statement: no, it isn't. It shouldn't have been that bad for the Republicans in 1992-1996, it shouldn't have been that bad for the Democrats in 2000-2008, and it shouldn't be this bad for the Republicans now. Both parties have been ridiculously excessive in their partisanship pretty much as long as I've been alive.

It hasn't been bad for Republicans from 1981 to 2008 where they pretty much guided the government, even Clinton would be a moderate at best. Also you want to know where this partisan rancor started? It can be traced to the day in 1981, when billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife fielded a reporter's question about his financial backing of conservative groups.

"You fucking communist cunt, get out of here," he said to Karen Roythmer of the Columbia Journalism Review. He went on to tell her that she was ugly, and her teeth were 'terrible.' Of Roythmer's mother, who was not present, he said 'She's ugly too.', sensing it would be prudent to end the interview, Roythmer wrapped it up and thanked Scaife for his time. He bade her farewell with a cherry 'Don't look behind you.'

That's the funny thing about tone. It's so subjective. Usually, I find it's enough to call someone a 'fucking communist cunt,' without having to gild the lily by disparaging her teeth and issuing a veiled death threat.

Then again, Scaife has contributed over $250 million dollars to right wing groups, like the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, Cato Institute, the Hoover Institution, Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation, and the American Enterprise Institute. Moreover, he's funded the rise of the right wing media apparatus, supporting conservative college newspapers and group up publicans,from the respectable Public Interest, to the inarguably disreputable American Spectator.

Of course these created the wind tunnel effect that lead to all the Clinton witch hunts that the Republicans held. Hostile investigations that I could only dream the dems had the balls to do against the Bush Administration. Was it for the good of the country? No, it's because the Republicans hated Clinton for who he was and what they couldn't be. It's funny how W said he was going to change the tone, seeing as it was his own party that created it. Unless it was code for Elect Bush will improve because he is a consensus builder, a uniter, not a divider, and a compassionate conservative. Elect Gore, and we'll nuke the living fuck out of him just like we did the last guy. Pity Gore's victory was overturned by judicial activism of all things.

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And that cute little spiel in the second paragraph just totally destroyed your credibility. Taking the right-wing extremist viewpoint and applying it to everyone that doesn't outright agree with everything Obama thinks, says, or does is called generalization, and doing so pretty much wipes whatever moral high ground you're trying to take out -- don't insult people with such generalizations and also expect to be seen as the victim for eight years risen again as the liberated one thanks to Obama.

Nice misrepresentation of what I said, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of those same people who find every little fault of Obama, were those same people who said questioning the Bush Administration was treason. I don't need moral high ground to deal with the likes of you either, we're going to drag you and your selfish Ilk into the 21th century.

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Oh, and for the love of Christ, get over yourself. I don't care if you're some first-timer or a former lead admin, statements like this:

What? I can't add a little amusement to this? Why do you have to be such a funsucker...?

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But given that I do know who you are, I think I can also guess that you don't care whether you're endeared to anyone -- you're just here to trash anyone that has any sort of conservative or religious leaning on just about anything, regardless of where they actually stand as a whole. Look out, the atheist militant liberal is on the prowl!/quote]

Oh you got me, wrong I don't disparage conservatives, or organized religion, I just point out how both have been hijacked by extremists. You want a Republican who sticks to principle, get Ralph Carr, Berry Goldwater or Ron Paul. Religion can give people hope and purpose, but it shouldn't be the driving force for everyone's life.


And seeing as outside my first comment, which you used a fallacy to attack, it. You cannot defend the tea parties and instead attack me personally. I accept your surrender.

Good day sir *blows a kiss*

Edited by Black Knight, Jul 20 2009, 05:51 PM.

Yzarc

Jul 20 2009, 02:20 PM

It's funny because Black Knight actually has gotten banned for wrecking Sentenal's shit in debate, then Senty got all butt-hurt, and well, we all know what happens when Sentenal gets mad.

Sentenal

Jul 20 2009, 09:19 PM

Cya Black Knight, I don't recall your ban ever being lifted.

Soja

Jul 20 2009, 09:25 PM

Sentenal

Jul 20 2009, 09:19 PM

Cya Black Knight, I don't recall your ban ever being lifted.

See, I didn't know if it was or wasn't. WTF.

Sentenal

Jul 20 2009, 09:33 PM

Soja

Jul 20 2009, 09:25 PM

Sentenal

Jul 20 2009, 09:19 PM

Cya Black Knight, I don't recall your ban ever being lifted.

See, I didn't know if it was or wasn't. WTF.

Apparently the "Black_Knight" account was what we banned long ago. This one was Black Knight (no underscore). I could have sworn there was already a "Black Knight" account like that registered here, who wasn't B_K, I think he was in October Knights in the last RPG, but this one was just registered today.

edit: And for the record, Black Knight is my favorite banned member on the entire board.