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Policy on Immigration topic
Topic Started: Sep 11 2009, 11:26 PM (95 Views)
Askio	Sep 11 2009, 11:26 PM Post #1
Crit McGee on Speed Posts: 2,849 Group: Veteran Member #436 Joined: October 1, 2005	Resolved: United States policy on illegal immigration should focus on attrition through enforcement rather than amnesty. All right, this is a public forum debate topic. For those that don't know, attrition is another word for thinning numbers, reduction, getting rid of, etc. Amnesty is in a sense, protecting, or in the case of illegal immigrants, allowing to stay in our country. What do you all think of the topic? Personally, while more effective means are needed to stem the tide of illegals, people today have such a twisted stereotypical conception that only Mexicans and Cubans are the illegal immigrants, which annoys me. But worse yet, I feel that it is very difficult to legitimately determine who is actually an illegal, and that some people in government would have alternative personal, financial, or political motives to remove those that are legal and claim they are illegal. It almost seems like a modern day witch hunt. On the other hand, amnesty isn't really the current policy so much as the inability to identify true illegals many times. That, and the people trying to run the immigration show fail horribly at it. Edited by Askio, Sep 11 2009, 11:26 PM.
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+Reaver	Sep 12 2009, 06:05 PM Post #2
Troll Posts: 8,613 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	The strongest argument the affirmative case has is should. Illegal immigrants cause problems to society on multiple levels including but not limited to raising unemployment for United States citizens, overcrowding schools to which illegal immigrants do not financially contribute, and other financial burdens such as the necessity for such stringent defense of certain borders of the United States. Logically, the United States should enforce their illegal immigration laws because as a result other problems in society will dissolve with the departure of illegals. The strongest argument available to the negative case is the number of illegal immigrants. Should anyone happen to notice, no finite number of the population of illegal immigrants living in the United States exists. How can the United States feasibly enforce a law if they cannot locate those who break the legislation in question? Enforcement not only fails to solve the problems currently ailing society, but also causes more problems by draining more money from the debt-ridden government. L0se. My contributions to the argument.
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Conan O'Brien	Sep 13 2009, 11:48 PM Post #3
SKILLNADEN ÄR DRINKABILITY Posts: 2,781 Group: Veteran Member #16 Joined: June 8, 2005	@ Askio-It's pretty darn easy to tell if someone's a legal citizen. What I like even less is the implication that wanting to crack down on illegals is somehow racially motivated. Personally, I think the reason the law is so leniently applied is because of accusations like that. Most Southern politicians who even mention cracking down on existing illegal immigrants gets that accusation. (And for the record, pretty much any Cuban who enters the country can become legalized. They can legitimately claim political asylum. That's how my mother's family became legalized.) IMO, the problem with illegal immigration isn't that our laws aren't tough enough, it's that we refuse to enforce the laws we already have.I don't pretend to have any answers to the immigration question, but amnesty definitely isn't the way to go about it. Especially if we end up with universal health care.
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Soja	Sep 14 2009, 06:41 AM Post #4
Gentle Water, Crashing Waves Posts: 5,172 Group: Global Moderator Member #451 Joined: October 15, 2005	I say, "fuck it, let's mine the borders." Although a lot of them have actually left by themselves thanks to the recession.
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Nick	Sep 14 2009, 05:33 PM Post #5
Brit Posts: 6,491 Group: Judge Member #659 Joined: March 8, 2006	Soja Sep 14 2009, 06:41 AM I say, "fuck it, let's mine the borders." Although a lot of them have actually left by themselves thanks to the recession. That way, only the smartest (or really fucking toughest) make it into the country; the cream of the crop are as such assimilated into the population. Their beneficial genes are reaped. We've got a shortage of people willing to clean toilets thanks to the recession
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Soja	Sep 14 2009, 07:32 PM Post #6
Gentle Water, Crashing Waves Posts: 5,172 Group: Global Moderator Member #451 Joined: October 15, 2005	Nick Sep 14 2009, 05:33 PM Soja Sep 14 2009, 06:41 AM I say, "fuck it, let's mine the borders." Although a lot of them have actually left by themselves thanks to the recession. That way, only the smartest (or really fucking toughest) make it into the country; the cream of the crop are as such assimilated into the population. Their beneficial genes are reaped. We've got a shortage of people willing to clean toilets thanks to the recession That was actually a joke series in one of the Grand Theft Auto games, San Andreas, I believe. It was also an option to curb illegal immigration in a browser game called Nation States. Turn the border into a deadly obstacle course, broadcast the proceedings for fun and profit, and reward the ones that make it through with residency.
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Nick	Sep 14 2009, 09:13 PM Post #7
Brit Posts: 6,491 Group: Judge Member #659 Joined: March 8, 2006	never played GTA If it was broadcast, there'd be a celebrity version within a month or two... actually, I can't think of any Mexican celebrities. We could have the same thing... WITH BOATS.
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+Reaver	Sep 14 2009, 10:55 PM Post #8
Troll Posts: 8,613 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	Conan It's pretty darn easy to tell if someone's a legal citizen. What I like even less is the implication that wanting to crack down on illegals is somehow racially motivated. Personally, I think the reason the law is so leniently applied is because of accusations like that. Most Southern politicians who even mention cracking down on existing illegal immigrants gets that accusation. Eh, not really. You obviously can't ask people because they'll all say "yes", and it's tedious to ask people to provide either a birth certificate or a social security card or whatever proof of citizenship within a certain time frame (because most people don't have these things on their person on a regular basis). I would agree that it's silly to call fighting against immigration a racially motivated issue because if you simply switch "Latin American" to "Canadian" in all instances the arguments still hold water - and I doubt anyone's going to say cracking down against Canadian illegal immigrants is a racial issue. I, for one, don't favor trying to strictly enforce immigration laws because the time and resources required to enforce immigration laws on all illegal aliens is far too great. Instead, partition some time/resources to finding illegals, but at the same time open new avenues to citizenship in order to make citizenship easier for aliens. I would also argue that providing amnesty to illegals who opt to use such opportunities is the smartest option because it saves us time.
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