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The Problem with AS; (Attack Speeds)
Topic Started: Sep 18 2009, 03:10 AM (226 Views)
Kamaitachi
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So every once in awhile, I go through the forum and be a huge jerkwad.

I was raising eyebrows at a few units' attack speeds in the arena, so I went through and did a massive check of every unit in the RPG. Here are the units that have AS problems (due to not having enough strength to equal the weight of their weapons. Remember, we use STR instead of CON to determine AS...for some reason...)

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Yied:
Tyranus:
Str: 6 Iron Lance Weight: 7
-1 AS
Deivus:
Str: 8 Hand Axe Weight: 9
-1 AS
Traherne:
Str: 6 Poison Lance Weight: 9
-3 AS please
Clotho:
Str: 1 Heal Staff Weight: 2
-1 AS for Heal.
Lachesis:
Str: 8 Steel Lance: 9
1AS for Steel Lance

Miletos:
Vlos:
Str: 4 - Iron Sword Weight: 6
-2 AS for Iron Sword
Kirakaas:
Str: 6 Knives weight: 7
-1 AS for Knives
Eridean:
Str: 5 Iron Sword: 6
-1 AS for Iron Sword
Liethe:
Str: 6 Iron lance Weight: 7
-1 AS for Iron Lance

Silesia:
Jackolyn:
Str: 1 Heal Weight: 2
-1 AS for Heal
Shermie:
Str: 5 Iron Sword: 6
-1 AS for Iron Sword

Manster:
Dez:
Str: 5 Iron Sword: 6
-1 AS for Iron Sword

Agustria:
Heather:
Str: 1 - Heal Weight: 2
-1 AS for Heal
Zoey:
Str: 5 - Iron Lance Weight: 7, Steel Lance Weight: 9
-2 AS for Iron Lance and Steel Lance, por favor.
Charlotte somehow has higher AS than her actual speed stat. Typo?
Adrienne:
Str: 1 Heal weight: 2, Dark Weight: 3
-1 AS for Heal
-2 AS for Dark
Nico:
Str: 4 Iron Sword Weight: 6
-2 AS for Iron Sword

Grandbell:
Brahms:
Str: 12 - Killer Axe Weight: 16
-4 AS for Killer Axe
Hayato:
Str: 6 Iron Lance Weight: 7, Steel Lance Weight: 9, Javelin Weight: 8
-1 AS for Iron Lance, -3 for Steel Lance, -1 for Javelin
Vega:
Str: 3 Flux Weight: 5
-2 AS for Flux
Ivan:
Str: 3 Thunder Weight: 4
-1 AS for Thunder
Sora:
Str: 5 Iron Sword Weight: 6
-1 AS Please


Thank you.


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Davidof
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We raised Weapon weights for physical weapons not too long ago.

I assume it's because people havent updated with those changes.
We need to poke people to change that.

Btw Iron weapons shouldnt lower AS ever IMO.
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Ugh I forgot some people had sucky strength. We should lower the iron weapon weights by 2 or 3.
Edited by Crysta, Sep 18 2009, 05:49 AM.
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Would this not also change the Evade stat as well seeing as AS determines evasion?
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Some of those aren't basic weapons, but I agree with Hako that Iron and basic-tier weapons shouldn't lower AS. Would that mean you'll be altering the unit shells from the character creation, or is this just up in the air at the moment?
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lol Heal taking away AS? If ya ask me Heal should weigh 1 or 0, cuz that's kinda silly.
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Sep 18 2009, 05:48 AM
Ugh I forgot some people had sucky strength. We should lower the iron weapon weights by 2 or 3.
We're thinking on it >_>
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Should people currently be acting on the revised stats, or should we wait for another revision before we make changes to our characters?
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Zoey's stats aren't updated because she was in a battle when we increased weapon weights, and I was going to do that after. (Um, I was assuming this stuff doesn't suddenly apply mid-battle.)

Also, I am POSITIVE she didn't lose weight when I first made my characters. I double-checked.

Pretty sure iron swords didn't weigh 6 either, because Kettrick didn't have 6 STR at creation.

...And yep, I'm right. Here are the basic weapon stats from the character creation topic:

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Iron Axe: Rank – E, Might – 8, Hit – 75%, Crit – 0, Weight – 6, Range – 1/1
Iron Bow: Rank – E, Might – 6, Hit – 85%, Crit – 0, Weight – 4, Range – 2/2
Iron Lance: Rank – E, Might – 7, Hit – 80%, Crit – 0, Weight – 5, Range – 1/1
Iron Sword: Rank – E, Might – 6, Hit – 85%, Crit – 0, Weight – 4, Range – 1/1


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Joy. Yeah, If i remember from the announcement it was primarily special weapons and the more advanced ones that had WT increase while magic tomes got a slight decrease. Hmmm..,I think the weapon weight for anything but iron is fine really. I mean, ranged melee weapons aside from bows are supposed to be restricting at lower levels since STR=Con in our rpg system. IF they didn't, then some other units would be able to run around crushing stuff with the more powerful weapons and unbalance things.
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It's been corrected.

Heal's remained the same, though. If you ever lose AS due to Heal, your strength sucks balls. It's 2 wt.
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Since alot of Magic bases have 1 Str after skills, I'd say we should just make Heal have 1 Str, honestly.

Healers dont need Str till after promotion, so forcing them to put points into it just to not lose AS seems a little... unfair.
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[Meg/DS] ~ [Kill me romantically~] says:
if a mule kicked you in the stomach would you want to have sex
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Well he missed my nads, so yes
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Should I make the tomes lighter, then, too?

All 1?

Because units with staves only are going to be increasingly rare, and it's = to the weight of the anima tomes. There will be mages and shamans with AS deductions if they take a skill.
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No, there wont be.
Because people arent used to Staves affecting weight.

They'll expect, as it has been before this Rpg, for Staves to effectively be weightless.
Mages of all sorts will know they need Str for their tomes.
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[Meg/DS] ~ [Kill me romantically~] says:
if a mule kicked you in the stomach would you want to have sex
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Well he missed my nads, so yes
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