- Welcome to Spurs 101 - The Tottenham Hotspur Forum
- →
- Spurs 101 Forum
- →
- The Chat Room
- →
- Come in Ledley
|
| ***Welcome to Spurs 101*** This is a forum for Tottenham Hotspur news, discussion and general chat. For now, you are only able to view the forum. If you wish to take part in the various discussions, please register for free by clicking HERE We hope you enjoy Spurs 101 and look forward to reading your posts. Current members please login below: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| Come in Ledley; Your time is up | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: 20 Sep 2009, 20:31 (358 Views) | |
| Doygul | 22 Sep 2009, 22:42 Post #36 |
Get rid of Jenas
  ![]](http://209.85.48.22/static/1/pip_r.png)
|
Not disputing Ledley is the best we have in that position BUT what good is it when he has to go off 45 minutes into a game? Everytime he pulls up is a chance our opponents are going to have of scoring because it's more than likely when there on the attack! No i wouldn't play a fit Dawson ahead of a fit King but King isn't fit! Im sorry but how he's started this season after just 5 starts doesn't fill me with an awful lot of confidence with how long his career will last... And the point is whilst Ledley has his problems we shouldn't be relying on him like we do regardless of his abilities on the pitch!! It's got nothing to do with him being the best we have in that position, it's to do with his fitness and ability to play (which 2 games over 2 weeks seems to becoming to much for him) |
 |
 
|
| Butch | 23 Sep 2009, 10:36 Post #37 |
League Cup Winner
|
If woody and daws had both been fit do you think ledley would have played in everygame so far?? NO of course he wouldnt because harry knows he cant and so he would have been left out of a couple of the less important ones. But through injuries he had to and has now picked up an injury himself yes the club should have got in extra cover but they thought they could cope and its backfired so now lets see some faith in the youngsters to help us get through it. |
|
|
|
| AT | 23 Sep 2009, 12:14 Post #38 |
 
|
Yeah, exactly right, Butch. If the other two were fit, Ledley would have probably played maybe every other game as he was last season. It's only through injuries that we've been forced into playing him more often, and that has obviously caused problems. So to be honest, he is not necessarily first choice at all. It just seems that way now because we only have 2 CB's to choose from, and had all four been fit they'd probably play a similar amount of games over the season. Now whether you feel he is not worth keeping on even as a backup/squad player and you think he should retire/leave altogether is a different story and a whole bigger can of worms. |
|
|
|
| Dee | 23 Sep 2009, 16:05 Post #39 |
I'm a Malteser
|
I just want to make it clear that without question, Ledley King is the best centre half I have ever seen, that includes the likes of Baresi, Ferdinand and Terry, and more than happy to have him play as many games as he can possibly play. But we have to face the reality that he is not going to be fit for a decent chunk of the season, therefore we must cover our bases. |
|
|
|
| Doygul | 23 Sep 2009, 22:01 Post #40 |
|
Get rid of Jenas
|
that is a very weak statement IMO butch, Ledley has played in every weekend game missing the midweek games, if i recall correctly he did exactly the same las season playing the weekend missing out the midweek! |
|
|
|
| GO! | 24 Sep 2009, 03:48 Post #41 |
bas***d!
|
Nope. Most of last season he'd play about every third week until towards the end of the season when he was a bit more regular. (No sniggering at the back!) Can any of the "Put Ledders out to pasture" brigade in here honestly say, if he was fit and we were in a cup final, that he wouldn't be the first defenders name on your team sheet??? Two top draw CB's (Ledders and Woody) plus two good back up defenders in Bassong and Dawson should be enough for any club really! If Ledley only has TEN games a season in him, then as far as I'm concerned he'd be my first choice for those 10 games as long as he doesn't lose his ability through lack of match time! |
|
|
| Butch | 24 Sep 2009, 17:13 Post #42 |
|
League Cup Winner
|
why is it weak??? |
|
|
|
| Doygul | 24 Sep 2009, 22:08 Post #43 |
|
Get rid of Jenas
|
he actually played 24 games in the league, 2 games in the league cup and 3 games in europe i would say thats abit more than 1 in 3 games.... were not tryna say put ledders out to pasture were just merely stating with his condition and level of fitness at question all the time the club and we shouldn't rely on him as much as we do!!! thats got nothing to do with his ability or what he does for the team!!! |
|
|
|
| Doygul | 24 Sep 2009, 22:10 Post #44 |
|
Get rid of Jenas
|
bcos if woody and daws had both been fit ledley would have started exactly the same amount of games!! If Harry knew he couldn't adequate cover would have been bought in but it hasn't!! which games would you class as less important at this stage in the season?? |
|
|
|
| GO! | 24 Sep 2009, 23:38 Post #45 |
|
bas***d!
|
Thanks for getting the stats on Ledley Doygs. I didn't realise he'd played as much as he did last year. (Maybe I'm thinking of the previous season). But besides that, you seem to be out-arguing yourself. I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from anymore. What are you suggesting? I see you're saying we shouldn't rely on him as much as we are but in the current situation the only other option would have been to buy yet another central defender in the summer along with Bassong. That would have meant us having 6; Ledley, Woody, Bassong, Dawson, Dervite  & Newbloke, plus 3 emergency players in Naughton, Corluka and Thuddz. Thats 9 players that can cover the the position but the odds of the 4 main recognised CB's all being injured at the same time is astronomical (wish I'd have a few dollars on that one).Throughout a 'normal' season (  if there is such a thing) we play either Woody and King, or whoever of the two is fit partners Dawson. Woodys current injury has nothing to do with the long term injury he'd suffered from in the past. His Gilmore's groin could have occurred to anyone so its unfair to say he's still injury-prone when we've had 2 seasons of him being almost ever-present.We know Dawson has no fear and throws his body around like no one I've seen in years which means he will always be prone to lay-offs. At the moment we're only relying on Ledley this much because theres not a whole lot of choice. |
|
|
|
| Butch | 25 Sep 2009, 00:49 Post #46 |
|
League Cup Winner
|
Games so far this season vs Liverpool (pl)- Ledley played full 90 mins vs Hull (pl) - Ledley didnt play vs West Ham (pl) - Ledley played full 90 mins vs Doncaster (cc) - Ledley didnt play vs Birmingham (pl) - Ledley played 46 mins vs Man Utd (pl) - Ledley played 90 mins vs Chelse (pl) - Ledley played 48 mins vs Preston (cc) - Ledley didnt play (according to the official site) In 8 games he played 3 full matches and came off injured in 2 so maybe he hasnt been overused so far this season and has just been unlucky with picking up the injuries that he has. |
|
|
|
| Sweatybum | 1 Nov 2009, 08:13 Post #47 |
uber-Spurs-nerd
|
I'm afraid I'm beginning to agree with the title of this topic. Ledley had a hand in all three of Woolwichs goals yesterday and I noticed a couple of uncharacteristic slip ups he made against Portsmouth, they didn't make the headlines though because we won. Not being able to train between matches has caused him to lose his sharpness, and our central defensive partnership this season has not been allowed to develop because of injuries to Ledley and others. I'm sure 'Arry must be having his doubts as well now despite his public utterances of admiration for Ledley earlier in the season. It's interesting that Levy and the Board have yet to start talks on a new contract for him even though his expires at the end of this season . I'm not writing him off just yet but the evidence is beginning to mount that our Ledley is not the player he once was, and that his chronic knee injury may possibly end his career in his prime.
|
|
|
|
| Whoami? | 1 Nov 2009, 12:01 Post #48 |
Seoul Man
|
|
|
|
|
| Riggsy | 1 Nov 2009, 12:41 Post #49 |
Edinburgh
|
What defenders don't have bad games, What defenders don't struggle against Woolwich?? I think this talk is a little premature personally. |
|
|
|
| Whoami? | 1 Nov 2009, 17:05 Post #50 |
|
Seoul Man
|
Hopefully yesterday was a one off. If not, if he continues to have bad games, perhaps we should replace him? |
|
|
|
| Shakespeare Spur | 1 Nov 2009, 19:24 Post #51 |
LDV Vans Winner
|
Spot on, he is the best we have lets use him while we can. Its not like the other 3 defenders have never played with each other, or aren't able deputies when called upon. |
|
|
|
| Yid Army | 2 Nov 2009, 14:20 Post #52 |
Premier League Winner
|
I think i agree with Sweatyrectum. Not so much because Ledleys performances on the pitch have been that bad (saturday excepted), i just think him coming in, then going out every other game is doing or back four no favours as a collective unit at the moment. He is probably still our best defender, but do people value his individual talent above the need to foster some kind of understanding and continuity in central defence? |
|
|
|
| Butch | 2 Nov 2009, 16:00 Post #53 |
|
League Cup Winner
|
Ledley is still the best we have and until he cant actually walk then he plays! |
|
|
|
| Gaz:THFC | 2 Nov 2009, 16:39 Post #54 |
UEFA Cup Winner
|
Ok considering ledders is carrying more injuries then Evil Knevil he is in the short term an asset worth having for the big games but long term his zimmer frame is calling and I would forward plan a replacement to step into them big shoes.(Ledley could mentor the player) |
|
|
|
| Dee | 2 Nov 2009, 22:19 Post #55 |
|
I'm a Malteser
|
Although Ledley is still the best defender we have, we do need to start looking to the future - Dawson and Bassong are OK, but don't think we can rely on Woodgate either to stay free of injury. |
|
|
|
| MichSpur | 5 Nov 2009, 21:37 Post #56 |
101 Dork
|
The boys from c**k On Ball are in the same camp. Ledley's lack of training has not only hurt his abilities, but has hurt any type of cohesive pairing at the back. |
|
|
|
| GO! | 6 Nov 2009, 23:24 Post #57 |
|
bas***d!
|
Are some of us suffering from rose coloured glasses syndrome? (me included) Hind sight is a wonderful thing but we all have to admit that he hasn't looked like the Ledley of old for a good month or so. We can make all the excuses we want but unless its just a lull in form (which can only be discovered given time) maybe he's NOT the man for the big games any more. Perhaps he's the man to make the lesser attaker's look silly still but coming up against the top four and their world class players is a different matter. The efforts of lower quality forwards can be neutralised to an extent by the near perfection of his positional sense but the top draw boys can counter that, which is where he could always fall back on the amazing pace he had for a big man. It would appear that following all the injuries he's sustained over the years that turn of pace just isn't what it was and he's starting to get found out? And in saying all that, how can we play King against all the lower placed teams and expect Dawson or Bassong to step up and be able to do the business against the likes of manure when they're not playing regularly? We could hardly be accused of writing him off too soon. He's always shown his class where other players would have needed far more match practice following injuries King has just slotted back in, but we have to start to question if there's simply been one injury too many for a player of his age to fully recover from. I really hope its not the case but in the cold light of day............ |
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| « Previous Topic · The Chat Room · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| Theme: Frosty | Track Topic · E-mail Topic |
 4:16 PM Nov 29
|
PhysioRoom.com, first aid kit, wrist support & Sorbothane suppliers.
Hosted for free by ZetaBoards
