What do you think Bates is?

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What do you think Bates is?
Topic Started: Aug 2 2007, 12:23:25 AM (1,268 Views)
toxic rain	Oct 26 2007, 10:43:25 AM Post #16
大好きなBates Posts: 88 Group: Zombie Member #201 Joined: 10/25/07	Xenolord Aug 2 2007, 10:20 AM Bates is, in my opinion, an outside spirit who was trapped some many years ago within the pages of a cursed book. Anyone who reads the book will be forcably injected with Bates' personality. He's been jumping body-to-body for many years, and with each new body, he finds himself, or at least his host, suffering a very painful demise, to which the host dies instantly, but Bates is forced to suffer through all the many hours of agonizing torture. Because of this cycle of horrific, painful deaths, Bates has become a bit of an ass, shunning all on the outside, giving off a cold, unjust exterior. HOWEVER, he harbors a certain love for Yu, as she's his current host. He tries his hardest to protect Yu from death, and as such, attempts to protect himself from another horrifying end. That's, at least, the explination I gave in "Only I know Yu like you." Best I could think of. Finally someone who agrees with me. Although we may never know I think either this or, he was the other twin is the most likely scenario. e_e



RPGman1	Nov 23 2007, 04:56:53 PM Post #17
RPG master Posts: 341 Group: Granite Orphan Member #102 Joined: 04/03/07	I've always thought it was the spirit of the other twin. As far as the game goes, it seems to make sense.
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clocktowersurviver	Feb 6 2008, 04:40:15 PM Post #18
Posts: 201 Group: Granite Orphan Member #53 Joined: 02/24/07	I think it may have been a fraternal, meaning boy and girl twins, becasue he cared for Yu and it fis with the plot. I may be wrong.



JBurroughs	Feb 7 2008, 12:49:30 AM Post #19
ALYSSA! I've become a Subordinate! Posts: 404 Group: Newspaper Reporter Member #28 Joined: 12/17/06 Gender: Female ♀	I copped out! Initially, I was torn between Bates being the spirit of Alyssa's twin brother (because of all the hints the manual dropped to that effect) or a regular disassociative personality (because the game gave its other 'supernatural' events logical causes), but I'm intrigued by the idea of him being an outside force of some kind (maybe an Entity, even, if you were in the mood for a GH/CT3 crossover).



mk1995	Feb 8 2008, 02:03:26 PM Post #20
Posts: 196 Group: Granite Orphan Member #226 Joined: 02/05/08	I voted for "Just a split personality Alyssa has, nothing supernatural". I mean, isn't Bates just Alyssa's cruel alter ego?
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kyrtuck	Feb 21 2008, 05:03:27 PM Post #21
Party Pirate Posts: 585 Group: Newspaper Reporter Member #145 Joined: 07/07/07 Gender: Male ♂	Well, none of these theories have been officially concluded as to who Bates is. Its really just depends on what you personally prefer or believe in.
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ZeroX	Feb 21 2008, 08:36:16 PM Post #22
Calling to the Night Posts: 301 Group: Granite Orphan Member #126 Joined: 05/27/07 Gender: Male ♂	'Tis a split personality of Yu/Alyssa in my opinion.
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Harkonnen	Feb 22 2008, 02:22:03 AM Post #23
House Harkonnen Posts: 103 Group: Granite Orphan Member #94 Joined: 03/29/07	I honestly always thought it was a split personality - I didn't even consider the possibility that it was supernatural. Funny, the thought of it being supernatural reminds me of a old favorite comedy movie 'All of Me' (1984) with Steve Martin and Lily Tomlin about a dieing millionaire (tomlin) who wants to have her soul transferred into the body of a younger, willing woman. But something goes wrong, and she finds herself in her lawyer's body (Martin) and the two have a most amusing 'adventure' trying to correct the problem... the fact that she left her estate and all of her money to this 'willing woman' doesn't help matters.
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Flowtac	Feb 22 2008, 03:37:00 AM Post #24
Mewaholic Wolf Posts: 168 Group: Granite Orphan Member #217 Joined: 01/04/08	But then how do you explain the dark aura that surrounds her when she becomes Bates? Or how her voice does change so drastically as well? It seems a little too farfetched that it's simply a split personality, especially since the way the game hinted around up to the end about the Maxwell twins history, it seemed pretty well implied that Alyssa truly was cursed. Then again, I found it hard to buy some of the crap they were passing off to explain the supernatural events that happened previously. I didn't buy a lot of how this game tried to pass some stuff off because it just did not gel well with the events that we witness overall or how burning a statue only in front of someone infected with that psycho bacteria would cause it to leave Stephanie's body. Bacterias do not work this way people. It felt more like they were trying to come up with some twist to spin players on their heads and couldn't think of anything original enough or a proper way to execute it. Granted, some of the twists did spin some gamers on their heads, but not in the way they had hoped. It just goes to show how poorly the game was scripted. I don't mean to be bashing on it so much either but I cannot help but point out the shortcomings.



Harkonnen	Feb 23 2008, 02:15:25 AM Post #25
House Harkonnen Posts: 103 Group: Granite Orphan Member #94 Joined: 03/29/07	I agree with what you have to say - concerning it's short comings. However, I just stated that it never occurred to me the possibility of it being supernatural... I'm certainly not a expert at this specific clock tower game (I never cared for it much) I have, however, had experience with people who have (or claim to have) multiple personalities - true they don't have a weird purple aura around them. There have been several cases where the person's voice, the way they present themselves (posture, gestures) have changed dramatically - this can be explained by good acting, however there have been cases where even the pigment in the person's eyes change - when things like one's eye color changing - there's certainly something 'strange' going on.
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Flowtac	Feb 23 2008, 07:35:20 AM Post #26
Mewaholic Wolf Posts: 168 Group: Granite Orphan Member #217 Joined: 01/04/08	I actually wasn't singling you out or trying to attack you Harkonnen. I was just addressing it in general to the people who don't think there is any supernatural aspects to Alyssa's little complex. But I do appreciate the feedback and that's pretty interesting about the eyes changing color like that. That is most definitely bizarre (wonder what causes that). But I myself have not read about too many cases where the voice actually does change drastically but that's me. Either way, thanks for the imput.



Synonymous	Feb 23 2008, 04:41:09 PM Post #27
Posts: 459 Group: Newspaper Reporter Member #75 Joined: 03/15/07	To play devil's advocate, the purple aura could simply be a stylistic device. Take Shannon; there's no reason for her skin to be deathly white - we're told of no affliction she has that would cause that. It's just an artistic choice to emphasize her sullen, death-obsessed nature. Yeah, the connection with the purple aura is more tenuous - to symbolize Bates's malevolent nature, besides being a gameplay aide to remind the player whom they're playing at the moment - but it's there, and as pointed out, this is not a meticulously planned game. (The Bates thing is poor casting, if you can call Roger Jackson's work "poor"; in the original, Sho's voice was deep but still conceivably within Yuu's register, so to speak, and not something that could never come from her vocal chords.)
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Flowtac	Feb 23 2008, 04:59:24 PM Post #28
Mewaholic Wolf Posts: 168 Group: Granite Orphan Member #217 Joined: 01/04/08	But I do prefer Roger Jackson's rendition because as many pointed, out Bates sounds like just some punk in Ghosthead when in The Struggle Within, he sounds like he really does mean business and someone you should be wary of. But definitely not a lot of thought was put into the game. I think we can all agree on that.



Synonymous	Feb 24 2008, 12:37:56 AM Post #29
Posts: 459 Group: Newspaper Reporter Member #75 Joined: 03/15/07	Oh, I absolutely agree with you on Jackson's voicework; it's the highlight of the game. I men it was a "mistake" only from the perspective of having an alterego who could conceivably be just the heroine speaking in a different tone of voice, as was done in the Japanese voicework. If we had to lose Jackson for that, though, then the heck with it. The voices do affect your perception of the matter, though, don't they? I can see Sho as just Yuu's (not very intimidating) imitation of a young punk, yet I can't see Bates coming out of Alyssa. (BTW, IIRC, the GH audio drama has the matter as definitively a case of split personality.)
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Flowtac	Feb 25 2008, 12:59:32 AM Post #30
Mewaholic Wolf Posts: 168 Group: Granite Orphan Member #217 Joined: 01/04/08	Nice observation Synonymous. I agree for sure and am thinking maybe it can be interpreted as simply split personality in Ghosthead and something more supernatural in Struggle Within.



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