Is "Little John" Barrows Quentin's son?

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Is "Little John" Barrows Quentin's son?
Topic Started: Oct 12 2007, 04:31:58 PM (509 Views)
strangefreak	Oct 12 2007, 04:31:58 PM Post #1
Posts: 78 Group: Zombie Member #153 Joined: 07/17/07	Is John Barrows Quentin's son that was killed by the Door Spell? While I've read a walkthrough for the game that says John his Quentin's son, Hifumi Kono doesn't refer to Quentin's son as John in his reply to The Dentist's email to him. So I'm thinking that John may not be Quentin's son, but I could be wrong. Is there any concrete proof to prove or disprove that John is Quentin's son?
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enigmaopoeia	Oct 14 2007, 01:14:32 AM Post #2
DOLPHINATSU WILL KILL U! Posts: 3,667 Group: Marquess Member #1 Joined: 04/23/06 Gender: Female ♀	According to the Clock Tower 2 Official Guidebook, they stated that "Little John" is a metaphor for Scissor Man on page 113 as according to Frank Schubert. In here, he was talking about the significance of the "Little John From The Castle" song. This is what was stated: 歌詞の中の"大きな城"とはバロウズ城, "リトルジョン"とはシザーマンのメタファーなのだろう。 Translation: In the lyrics, "the big castle" is the Burroughsclan's Castle, and "Little John" seems to be a metaphor for Scissor Man.
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strangefreak	Oct 14 2007, 08:19:50 AM Post #3
Posts: 78 Group: Zombie Member #153 Joined: 07/17/07	enigmaopoeia Oct 14 2007, 12:14 AM According to the Clock Tower 2 Official Guidebook, they stated that "Little John" is a metaphor for Scissor Man on page 113 as according to Frank Schubert. In here, he was talking about the significance of the "Little John From The Castle" song. This is what was stated: 歌詞の中の"大きな城"とはバロウズ城, "リトルジョン"とはシザーマンのメタファーなのだろう。 Translation: In the lyrics, "the big castle" is the Burroughsclan's Castle, and "Little John" seems to be a metaphor for Scissor Man. Wow, thank you. :D That's sounds pretty interesting... (begin overthinking theories) I wonder how "Little John" can correspond to Scissorman, maybe John is supposed to represent John the Baptist? I think it might be so, because there's the statue of Virgin Mary and Jesus's cruxification cross in the Barrows Church. John the Baptist would be pretty important to Jesus, so maybe Scissormen are supposed to be symbolicaly incarnations of John the Baptist serving a "Jesus"...but I'm still wondering who would represent Jesus. I'm thinking of Dan (cocoon form) as supposed to represent Jesus, since Bobby (John the Baptist) is serving him and was also a forerunner in being Scissorman, some people consider John the Baptist a forerunner to Jesus. Maybe Barton put Jennifer on the cross for a reason...? With all these Christianity references, I think the Barrows might practice some sort of "evil" version of Jesus-centered Christianity. This is all just theory, though, so don't take it as fact.
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enigmaopoeia	Oct 14 2007, 11:43:22 AM Post #4
DOLPHINATSU WILL KILL U! Posts: 3,667 Group: Marquess Member #1 Joined: 04/23/06 Gender: Female ♀	Your "overthinking" is very interesting because you seem to be heading in the right direction. There is a page 105 of the Clock Tower 2 Official Guidebook, they are talking about Scissor Man, Quentin, and Theodore. On there, they actually have a phrase which states "Victimae Paschali Laudes / Immolent Christiani" which is Latin for "To the Paschal victim / may Christians offer songs of praise" or "Forth to the paschal Victim, Christians, bring / Your sacrifice of praise". You can read more about this sequence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimae_Paschali_Laudes And the lyrics can be found here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Victimae_Paschali_Laudes So yeah, your theory seem to be in place with what they are describing! ^^;;
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strangefreak	Oct 15 2007, 05:55:43 PM Post #5
Posts: 78 Group: Zombie Member #153 Joined: 07/17/07	Interesting...enig, what does the whole section say about Victimae Paschali Laudes, Scissorman, Quentin, and Theodore? What's the explanation for putting that sequence there in the section? I have a feeling that Easter seems to be important for the Barrows and maybe the Barrows try to use their victims as human sacrifices for Jesus, maybe they think that Jesus is supposed to receive these victims on Easter Sunday? I guess the crows Mary are killing are probably these victims, too...Sounds like the Barrows overall really do have good intentions - to show their praise and respect to Jesus and God, but they're just doing so in super loony and evil ways, combining with torture practices other old Christian churches did in the past. What I'm still wondering is how the Barrows would think about using scissors - scissor weaponry did exist as "scissor Bodice daggers" back in the Renaissance. There's also another non-selling site about those Bodice scissor daggers here. Perhaps earlier Barrows (Theodore?) were skilled with these scissor daggers, so they decided to invent the Scissorman? A bit far fetched, since I'd doubt HUMAN would try to do such deep research, but I think it could be possible.
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enigmaopoeia	Oct 15 2007, 06:23:59 PM Post #6
DOLPHINATSU WILL KILL U! Posts: 3,667 Group: Marquess Member #1 Joined: 04/23/06 Gender: Female ♀	I wish I can tell ya, strangefreak, but my Japanese skills can only go so far. ^^;; I really want to learn Japanese so badly, argh.
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Konkalit	Dec 16 2007, 06:07:01 AM Post #7
Posts: 201 Group: Granite Orphan Member #192 Joined: 09/24/07 Gender: Male ♂	Hes the first Scissorman, from the poem in CT. I want to know, how many o known about him. His father, named Quentin Barrows and he was the first Scissorman Years ago, but WHEN? In which Years killed John Barrows? and was was the Story behind it? How did he looks like and what was his reasons. I dont know , if there is also a Thread about this here, i don't found anything. I would be happy if there is something special known and i want to know all about this. Maybe there are some more Informations about this :)



The third twin... JEBEDIAH!	Dec 16 2007, 10:23:24 AM Post #8
Hiding amongst Amish Posts: 1,066 Group: Hospital Director Member #68 Joined: 03/11/07	Didn´t the thing with "Little Johnny from the big castle" happen in the 16th century or something?
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Lime	Dec 16 2007, 02:19:39 PM Post #9
eye dee kay Posts: 4,410 Group: Subordinate Member #33 Joined: 01/07/07 Gender: Female ♀	I'm pretty sure there was already a topic about Little John somewhere around here. I'll have to find it for you.
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enigmaopoeia	Jan 27 2008, 03:24:34 AM Post #10
DOLPHINATSU WILL KILL U! Posts: 3,667 Group: Marquess Member #1 Joined: 04/23/06 Gender: Female ♀	I have merged Konkalit's topic about "Little Johnny" here. ^^;; "Little John" is actually a metaphor for the Scissor Man. There is no such boy known as John Burroughs.
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Harkonnen	Jan 27 2008, 04:03:11 AM Post #11
House Harkonnen Posts: 103 Group: Granite Orphan Member #94 Joined: 03/29/07	WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD Quote: I have a feeling that Easter seems to be important for the Barrows and maybe the Barrows try to use their victims as human sacrifices for Jesus, maybe they think that Jesus is supposed to receive these victims on Easter Sunday? Quote: Sounds like the Barrows overall really do have good intentions - to show their praise and respect to Jesus and God A - interesting thought, however if the Barrows were Christian they would believe that Christ's crucifixion on the cross to be the final perfect sacrifice (hence, catholics don't sacrifice animals on the alter any more.) you see, when Christians/Jews would make sacrifices, whether that be the burnt offerings of a animal, grain, flower.. etc it'd be for one of two reasons - a expression of devotion, commitment, and complete surrender to God and/or to atone for a (unintentional) sin. It's believed when Christ died on the cross he was both the ultimate priest and the ultimate sacrifice. Hence, it wasn't necessary to make these offerings anymore... Quote: they're just doing so in super loony and evil ways, combining with torture practices other old Christian churches did in the past. You're right, however, the Barrows were/are demon worshipers, their rituals were rather mocking the old rituals, not a perverted form of devotion to the Christian God... The statue of Mary (you mention) is a PERFECT example! in Clock Tower 2 the statue of the Virgin Mary holding a infant child is mocking all other images/statues of her... you see the child she is holding is in the image of Scissorman (the face is deformed and evil) and not the image of the Christ child... So, it seems they were essentially trying to create a 'anti-christ' Mary Barrows is in the place of the Virgin Mary, Bobby replaces John, and Dan is in the place of the Christ Child.
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strangefreak	Jan 27 2008, 09:17:34 PM Post #12
Posts: 78 Group: Zombie Member #153 Joined: 07/17/07	Harkonnen Jan 27 2008, 03:03 AM A - interesting thought, however if the Barrows were Christian they would believe that Christ's crucifixion on the cross to be the final perfect sacrifice (hence, catholics don't sacrifice animals on the alter any more.) you see, when Christians/Jews would make sacrifices, whether that be the burnt offerings of a animal, grain, flower.. etc it'd be for one of two reasons - a expression of devotion, commitment, and complete surrender to God and/or to atone for a (unintentional) sin. It's believed when Christ died on the cross he was both the ultimate priest and the ultimate sacrifice. Hence, it wasn't necessary to make these offerings anymore... I guess I made a little mistake there. :P Ironically, I'm a Christian myself, so forgetting that makes be a bit of a bad Christian...XD Your theories seem really interesting - I never really noticed that the Mary statue was holding a demonic child instead of a normal Jesus. I should probably play it again than - unless nobody minds posting up an image of the deformed child.
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Harkonnen	Jan 28 2008, 12:55:03 AM Post #13
House Harkonnen Posts: 103 Group: Granite Orphan Member #94 Joined: 03/29/07	Well, dont get me wrong there are fanatics whove twisted the Christian faith to their own sadistic needs (just look at the Westboro Baptist Church) but Im sure thats not the case with the Barrows. Quote: I'm a Christian myself, so forgetting that makes be a bit of a bad Christian...XD On the contrary I think it shows you're a true Christian for only a true Christian could even try to find a silver lining in the dark storm cloud that is the Barrows clan.
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Lime	Jan 28 2008, 09:21:58 AM Post #14
eye dee kay Posts: 4,410 Group: Subordinate Member #33 Joined: 01/07/07 Gender: Female ♀	Harkonnen Jan 27 2008, 11:55 PM Well, dont get me wrong there are fanatics whove twisted the Christian faith to their own sadistic needs (just look at the Westboro Baptist Church) but Im sure thats not the case with the Barrows. HAHA oh man, that stupid cult was exactly who I was thinking of while reading strangefreak's (awesome and creative!) theory of the Burroughs clan being a bunch of psycho religious people ~~yet still managing to have a lot more style than in-real-life psycho religious people like the WBC~~ (I was jokingly going to ask if the Burroughs were Baptist, but I decided against it to avoid accidentally offending anyone... I probably did just that by just bringing that up. DD:). I hate that group. Horrible example of Christianity. That's a rant for another day, though. goes back to lurking thread
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Harkonnen	Feb 5 2008, 10:11:42 PM Post #15
House Harkonnen Posts: 103 Group: Granite Orphan Member #94 Joined: 03/29/07	Quote: I never really noticed that the Mary statue was holding a demonic child instead of a normal Jesus. I should probably play it again than - unless nobody minds posting up an image of the deformed child. Posted Image Posted Image
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