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| Topic Started: Oct 18 2008, 05:20:16 PM (288 Views) | |
| enigmaopoeia | Oct 18 2008, 05:20:16 PM Post #1 |
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I just noticed two things about Clock Tower 2/USA that makes me think that HUMAN Entertainment has to be really bad with one thing: Numbers. Yeah, I'm implying that either they can't count or that they overemphasize things. I'm being serious here! It's amazing that they know to call the second installment of the game as Clock Tower 2 instead of calling it Clock Tower 70. First we take the scene with Professor Barton in his Treatment Room when he examines the file cabinet and thinks back to the "Clock Tower murders", which were the deaths of the people from the first game. His exact words examining it was, "The mass murder of over ten victims in this case." But there are only 8 victims out of that 10 that we can name with a great certainty, they are Bobby, Mary, Dan, Lotte, Walter, Anne, Rolla, and Simon. So who were the other 2? Now then we got the demo titled Clock Tower 2: Personal Experience Edition. In it, there is an English narrator which says, "Jennifer Simpson, Helen Maxwell, Stan Gotts, and a cast of 30 other characters living under the shadow of the ultimate evil: The Scissorman." 30 other characters?! Geez, did Clock Tower 2 really had THAT MANY characters?! Even the Clock Tower 2's Explanatory Note manual on page 15 and the Clock Tower USA's instruction manual on page 14 stated, "To enhance the storyline, this story features nearly 30 characters." I'm assuming that "30 other characters" would mean that they didn't count Jennifer, Helen, and Stan. Therefore there would be 33 characters in the game, right? So let's count here. I can name 22 characters for a fact: 01.) Jennifer Simpson. 02.) Helen Maxwell. 03.) Stan Gotts. 04.) Nolan Campbell. 05.) Samuel Barton. 06.) Harris Chapman. 07.) Beth. 08.) Danny. 09.) Edward. 10.) Kay. 11.) Baker from Scenario-1. 12.) Rose from Scenario-1. 13.) Guardman 1 from Scenario-1, the one stabbed outside by Scissorman. 14.) Guardman 2 from Scenario-1, the one beheaded in the Security Room. 15.) Tim. 16.) Professor Sullivan from Scenario-2. 17.) Sandra the Clerk from Scenario-2. 18.) Rick from Scenario-2. 19.) Victor from Scenario-2. 20.) Announcer. 21.) Cameraman. 22.) Scissorman. He would be counted as a separate entity from Edward. Now we got ourselves 11 other people that we don't know for certain. Is it possible that they counted the background people? They probably counted them separately and not as a whole. 23.) In Jennifer's and Helen's A Ending, there was one another Rescue Party member. 24.) There was a Policeman with Helen and Gotts in Jennifer's and Helen's A Ending. 25.) And there was another Policeman in Jennifer's and Helen's A Ending. You can see him in Jennifer's, but he's kinda in the background of Helen's version. 26.) There was another crew member with the Announcer and Cameraman in Helen's B Ending. 27.) There was one Rescue Party member with the Announcer in Helen's B Ending. Did they counted him? 28.) There was one Rescue Party member with the Announcer in Jennifer's C Ending. Maybe they counted him. 29.) There was one Policeman on the scene in Jennifer's C Ending. 30.) And there was a second Policeman on the scene in Jennifer's C Ending. 31.) One Rescue Party member was carrying Edward on a stretcher in Jennifer's C Ending. 32.) And there was another Rescue Party member carrying Edward on a stretcher in Jennifer's C Ending. In short, there would be five members of the Rescue Party and four Policemen. Now we're left with one empty slot. Now who the heck would that be? Then we present a problem, if the people listed above are indeed counted as separate people. Then that would mean the four Ghosts who sang the "Little John From The Castle" wouldn't fit. I said four Ghosts because that is what's shown on the Extra Mode Pictures options, two boy Ghosts and two girl Ghosts. Therefore maybe they done this, there are really only three members of the Rescue Party and two Policemen total. So now the four Ghosts would fit. 23.) Rescue Party Member 1. 24.) Rescue Party Member 2. 25.) Rescue Party Member 3. 26.) Policeman 1. 27.) Policeman 2. 28.) Boy Ghost 1. 29.) Boy Ghost 2. 30.) Girl Ghost 1. 31.) Girl Ghost 2. Now we're left with two empty spots. Taking into consideration that maybe they counted background characters, people we don't see visually... 32.) Quentin Burroughs from Scenario-3. 33.) Frank Schubert from the Clock Tower 2 Official Guidebook. There we go, now we got ourselves all 33 members accounted for. This is not including some of the more undead variety like the two Mummies in Scenario-3, or something redundant like the Fake Scissormen who were Harris and Barton. There's no such John Burroughs person, "Little John" is a metaphor of Scissorman. Then I was thinking, if Quentin is counted, why wouldn't they have counted Mr. Fiero and Mauri Kunnas from Scenario-1 or some of the more background people that I haven't mentioned yet whose names are on plaques? Yeah, my brain is totally fried, I hope this post made some ounce of sense. ^^;; But yeah, HUMAN Entertainment totally overexaggerate on numbers in this case. |
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| 123lealea | Oct 18 2008, 05:28:06 PM Post #2 |
 
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@_@ My mind...it burns with numbers! @A@ But you gotta a good point! |
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| enigmaopoeia | Oct 18 2008, 05:33:12 PM Post #3 |
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RATS, FIVE MILLION THOUSANDS OF |
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| Lime | Oct 18 2008, 05:35:53 PM Post #4 |
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Ha ha, this reminds me of one of my old topics. I guess they weren't the best with math after all. I always thought that the other two bodies (or more, if certain Burroughs family members are excluded for whatever reason) Barton mentioned were ones that Jennifer didn't see during her visit to the Burroughs mansion... Also, 30 characters sounds like WAAAY too many, especially since most of the characters in the game are minor ones. Wouldn't it be more useful to only list characters that had a big (or at least medium? small but noticeable?) part of the story? One is more likely to mention Rick or Sullivan than a red-shirt police officer, for example, since those two are important in the second sceanario It's amazing that they know to call the second installment of the game as Clock Tower 2 instead of calling it Clock Tower 70. OUCH. |
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| enigmaopoeia | Oct 18 2008, 05:37:42 PM Post #5 |
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Now I'm thinking: Clock Tower 4, now with 100 more |
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| 123lealea | Oct 19 2008, 08:49:07 PM Post #6 |
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You also forgot the mummy/zombie thing in the closet in CTFF that Jennifer had to kill. |
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| ReijiKido99 | Oct 24 2008, 06:16:30 PM Post #7 |
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I always found Barton's comment very strange! Because really you could only look at it one of two ways...the number of people killed in the game (Jennifer's friends and the rest of the cast), which is LESS than ten, or the number of people killed by the family total (prior to the game's start), which according to the games director is FAR more than ten. Perhaps it is simply that they meant to say "almost ten victims" and they accidentally said "more than ten victims." As far as the amount of characters, that's hilarious. They probably counted the Virgin Mary, the evil devil things on the wall of the church, and the demon statue as well. |
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| enigmaopoeia | Oct 24 2008, 08:29:08 PM Post #8 |
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^ Good point! It makes me want to check out what Barton says in the Japanese version and see how it compares! EDIT: Posted Image So the Japanese text said: 10人を越える犠牲者を出したあの大量殺人事件は私にとって最高の研究材料だ。 Which translates into, "This case with over ten massacre victims is important research material for me." The key word is "koeru" [越える] meaning "exceeding". So the word "Juhito o koeru" [10人を越える] means "exceeding 10 people". So Barton was right to say that there was over 10 victims in the American version. But yeah, that just make no sense at all. I still stand by that HUMAN is terribly overexaggerating stuff. Because if they did count past victims, then it means there were only 2 other people. Considering Mary has been in the Granite Orphanage for over 5 years, wouldn't it look suspicious if she said to them that Mr. Burroughs wanted to adopt a total of 6 children? o.o;; I personally don't think that the Granite Orphanage is stupid enough to buy that story. Then I have to beg the question that if Mary gave the Granite Orphanage a fake family's name who wanted to adopt the two unseen victims. I would imagine that the Granite Orphanage would look into the manner and see if everything's legit. Then how can Mary pull off getting a fake family to convince the Orphanage, she couldn't have used Simon. He would be against the whole idea in the first place. Or maybe I'm thinking too much into this. Head hurt... |
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| makoto140 | Oct 24 2008, 09:34:05 PM Post #9 |
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I put "10人を越える犠牲者を出した" (since it seemed like the end of that little sentence part) into a translator (hell no I don't know crap in kanji!) and it still translates as "More than 10 people killed". The rest of the sentence seems pretty irrelevant. I went to a Kanji dictionary just to make sure and put "越える" into it (10人 = 10 people of course) and it translates as "across" but the kanji itself can mean "overcome" or "surmount" EDIT: Oh Enig beat me to it. XD I'm really confused about it myself . . x_x Maybe they weren't really thinking when they came up with that line I guess. XD; Or maybe there was a part of the story that we didn't really see in the first one or something . .[redit][/redit] Edited by makoto140, Oct 24 2008, 09:37:31 PM.
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| enigmaopoeia | Oct 24 2008, 09:45:19 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah, they were really not thinking when it came to that sentence. Because the only way to back up that whole sentence would be to make a prequel which would help tie up any loose ends, like what Consul suggested on another topic. I would love to see how a prequel would work out. The only storyline I can see is to explain how Mary got the Granite Orphanage job in the first place. Imagine that interview! Mary: "I'm great with children, heck I have two adorable sons of my own! =D " Granite Orphanage Staff: "So what do you feed them?" Mary: "Human sacrific... err, burgers and french fries..." Granite Orphanage Staff: "... okay, that works. YOU'RE HIRED!" Also I would love to expand on how the girls got into the Orphanage in the first place. I would imagine that Lotte and Anne were the first ones to be there, since their parents most likely dropped them off when they were just babies due to them being foundlings. Makes me wonder something, what if Lotte and Anne were best friends before Jennifer and Rolla got there? And then when Rolla came in, that changed the friendship between the girls. So Anne basically left Lotte for her new playmate, Rolla. Then Lotte, being alone, finally was happy when Jennifer entered the Orphanage. Aww, what a Lifetime moment. <3 And maybe do some more flashbacks into the Burroughsclan life. I would love to know more about Theodore, Quentin, and see Simon as a sane man. Even throw in Mary's Brother into the mix. Yeah, rambling. Shut up now. ^^;; |
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| makoto140 | Oct 24 2008, 09:56:00 PM Post #11 |
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Okay someone needs to write a good prequel fanfic explaining everything we don't know, and we can declare it canon! XD The idea is tempting to write actually . . (What would be ideal is if another Clock Tower game was made in that fashion. Okay everyone study game design and we'll make it, ready GO!) |
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| JasonDrew | Aug 21 2009, 04:28:27 AM Post #12 |
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They Are Bad With Numbers! Clock Tower TFF Was The First One And The The PSX Sequel Is Again Called Clock Tower? Then They Releas a Second One Wich Is Really Clock Tower 3 And The Clock Tower 3 Wich Is Really Clock Tower 4! And Capcom Is Releasing Clock Tower 4 Sometime Next Year Wich Will Actually Be Clock Tower 5! |
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| wayc | Aug 28 2009, 01:48:05 PM Post #13 |
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I think that the guard in the Security Room in Jennifer's Scenario 1 is the same guard as the one Scissorman killed just outside the Research building. He moved his body in there to freak her the heck out. =P |
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