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| Go Debt Urgent Notice To All; Go debt have not filed annual return | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 11:22 AM (260 Views) | |
| viplosh | Apr 4 2007, 11:22 AM Post #1 |
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As at 12:15PM today Go Debt have still failed to file their annual return with Companies House. This was due on the 21st February 2007 and the failure to supply this return on time is a criminal offence. They cannot even get their own house in order. The directors can be liable to criminal prosecution for this offence. Today Go debt have been reported to the OFT and DTI and further enquiries are being made to companies House regarding this breach. To ALL ON THIS FORUM:-DO NOT PAY Go debt anything at all whatever they threaten. They are at the present time an illegal company operating outside of the rules and regulations set down by their licence. DO NOT PAY THEM. Go to the DTI and OFT if you are threatened and your local CAB if you are being verbally harasessed call the police and file a complaint. Explain what you know about this company and take note of any employee name who abuses you.  TO ALL> |
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| tortle | Apr 4 2007, 01:45 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Viplosh i know very little about returns and compaines etc but i looked on the companies house website and copied the info below. Section 5.1 Late Filing Penalties explained 1. What are late filing penalties? Section 242A of the Companies Act 1985 (as applied to limited liability partnerships by regulation 3 of the Limited Liability Partnerships Regulations 2001) says that penalties will be incurred by any limited liability partnership that delivers its accounts to Companies House after the period allowed for filing. 2. How much are the penalties? That depends on how late the accounts reach the Registrar, as shown in this table: Length of delay, measured from the date the accounts are due Level of penalty 3 months or less £100 3 months and one day to 6 months £250 6 months and one day to 12 months £500 More than 12 months £1,000 I cant find the section that says that it is a criminal offence could you point me in the right direction please? Thank you in anticipation. 
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| jenni | Apr 4 2007, 01:59 PM Post #3 |
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if you had looked further down that page tortle you would have found this info on the website....
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| tortle | Apr 4 2007, 02:23 PM Post #4 |
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im sorry jenny i am a bit thick but how does this relate to "you dont have to pay them anymore??? because its a criminal offence?" and they are an illegal company i just dont understand? Could i also ask anyone if they have the information exactlly how many companie directors were actually crminaly prosecuted last year for late returns of books ( a % figure of companies who returned late compared to prosections would be good just in case it comes up in a pub quiz?)  |
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| jenni | Apr 4 2007, 02:27 PM Post #5 |
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:lol: it doesn't say that you can stop paying them. it does say that the company can be removed from the register and served with a CCJ for not filing their accounts and subsequently the directors can also be prosecuted. I would however expect that this is likely to be a very small amount. |
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| tortle | Apr 4 2007, 02:36 PM Post #6 |
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Iya jennie I thought i read in the original post the advice to stop paying? which i found quite alarming, we know these people will issue bankrupcy demands and if you dont have the argument that the PPI is compulsory or there is none on your agreemnt then the fact that they havent returned there accounts late is not i personally think a reasom a judge would accept as an argument against a bankrupcy order? This could mean people would lose there homes woudnt they if they just followed the post advice to stop paying? 
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| williamr | Apr 4 2007, 02:46 PM Post #7 |
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Viplosh I think you will find an Annual Return from a company is a little different to the late filing of accounts. Regards William Rhodes Joint Managing Director Go Debt Limited |
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| Bakedalasker | Apr 4 2007, 05:12 PM Post #8 |
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Anyone having issues with Godebt this website recommend to seek legal advice. The late returns of files or accounts by a company is not a legal argument to defend a bankruptcy petition. |
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| viplosh | Apr 5 2007, 07:32 AM Post #9 |
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Ah well that certainly got a reaction from you all and brought Mr Rhodes out back on to the forum. This was the sprat to bring out the mackerel. Mr Rhodes you are perfectly aware that the tactics of your company are to say the least illegal in the fact that you flout the law,ignore the rules that dictate the holding of your licences and your staff are agressive bullies, we have the proof. We are aware of numerous cases and have had evidence provided to us and our team that must now bring your company into serious disrepute. It is these licences that must be brought into question.If it is now found by the authorities that you are breaching these rules and regulations then your licence must be revoked and your ability to act as debt collectors withdrawn.If criminality is found you must be investigated by the police pure and simple. If our previous post was telling people not to pay you then we stand by this on the proviso that those people should have legal representation and fight their corner if the action is coming from you and your company. Also it is relevant from whom the bankruptcy petition is isssued and why, and if your company is brought under serious investigation then this must be a line of defence against the bankruptcy especially if you have not followed procedures correctly as outlined under rules governing debt collectors. TO ALL:- I SAY AGAIN. Do not pay Go DEBT just because they pressure you into bankruptcy. If they have not followed procedure by hearing you out,providing evidence of their claim against you and tried to resolve the matter within guidelines then any action they try is negated by these actions. Look hard at the way you have been dealt with by them and if there is any issue of harrassement ,bullying and blatant flouting of procedures then you will have defence via your lawyers or local CAB OFT ,DTI at your disposal to have any action or petition thrown out. Seek legal advice immediately. Mr Rhodes a full investigation is under way and the main initial thrust will be the revocation of your licence for illegal practices. If more serious issues are uncovered then the criminal authorities may wish to intervene it is up to them. Last year we uncovered the same practices taking place with another debt collection company who were also arrogant and cocky. Needless to say they are no longer around. Assistance was provided to the OFT and DTI and they took the necessary action and revoked the company's licence and closed the operation down. Our approach and procedures have always brought results where the accused are found to be guilty. TO ALL :- We will proceed as indicated above and from now on no further info on what is happening will be issued on this forum or replies given. What we are saying is that do not stay quiet if you feel you have been mistreated by Go Debt and their threats, report every instance of flouting of regulations to the authorities immediately. Our experience is that the more complaints made the quicker the authorities act. No doubt the authorites will be in contact with Mr Rhodes and Go debt direct. Mr Rhodes will have the right to reply and appeal to the authorities of course as is his legal right and answer to any allegations. By the way we are not one individual but a team of 10 people. Good luck to you all. |
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| tortle | Apr 5 2007, 09:22 AM Post #10 |
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I will also stand by my previous post: If you owe money to these people and you dont have any legal arguments against your contract and you are a homeowner do not stop paying these people, if you do stop paying you are putting yourselves and your familes at risk of being made homless if they bankrupt you. I personaly find the advice to stop paying irresponsible and would not want someone and there family being made homless on my conscience. 
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| williamr | Apr 5 2007, 09:51 AM Post #11 |
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Viplosh It is certianly the case that your postings have prompted me to post. Your postings are alarmist, sensationalist and untrue - they seem to have been greeted with deafening silence by the regulars on this site. I suspect they can see through you. Your postings on this site coincided exactly (timing and content) with hoax calls made to our office from the "OFT" - the names given over do not even work at the OFT. You do this site a discredit and to all those with genuine issues to resolve. William Rhodes Joint Managing Director Go Debt Limited |
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| viplosh | Apr 5 2007, 10:38 AM Post #12 |
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We know nothing of any hoax calls and can confirm that we were not involved. Your allegations are unfounded. We do not act in that way,we just go straight to the OFT and DTI direct and police if need be and they call you. You are attempting to deflect the issue Mr Rhodes. If it pleases you we will post the contact names at the DTI and OFT and police for you to talk to in advance prior to their contact to you early next week when our complaints are formally lodged. You have obviously upset many people if you are getting hoax calls. It is not now for this forum to decide whether the allegations are true but the real authorities they will be in touch with you Mr Rhodes I can assure you. I would suggest that you call a staff meeting today urgently and warn them that you are being reported to the authorities and that every member of staff should ensure they act within the regulations or they will be found out. It is strange that you do not defend yourself just rubbish the procedures we are confirming are taking place. Is this that you know that the truth about your company will now come out? Your posting rings true of being rattled and running scared. It does not matter what you write about us or try to rubbish us or even whether you believe us. Just get your own house in order. You will need to. MATTERS ARE PROCEEDING AS PREVIOUSLY STATED REGARDLESS THIS IS NOT A JOKE. We have to protect the public from this gross disregard for people's rights,regulations and the law. Post what you like now it changes nothing.I would if I was you spend your time more productively checking your internal systems today. |
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| viplosh | Apr 5 2007, 11:08 AM Post #13 |
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Tortle Thanks for your posting. Of course we do not want anyone to lose their homes. Our action is to stop this . But a stand has to be made for what is right and for what is wrong. We are seeking the revocation of Go Debts Consumer credit licence for major breaches if this is granted in due course then they will no longer be able to trade as debt collectors.This will mean they can no longer receive payments from you as debt collectors. Our advice about do not pay them is on the basis that if they did not follow procedure in obtaining bankruptcies in the first place against people then they have broken the law pure and simple. These cases should report what happened to the authorities to see if they can have their cases and bankruptcies re asessed. Also should they hold payments due to Go Debt while the investigation is under way? We are finding incidents of potential fraud carried out by YCC/DAF in its recent actions and therefore feel that Go debt by enforcing these are making their actions open to scrutiny and possible counter legal action. You will all be hearing about the Go debt/DAF investigation over the next few weeks details of exactly who to contact with your complaint exact name and number will be posted on this board.Also the case numbers as appropriate. If you all feel happier paying them in the meantime it is up to you but make notes of the names of their employees,and detail every action they take against you.If you are unhappy contact the OFT let them know.If you are harrassed call the police. WE ARE TRYING TO STOP GO DEBT EVERY AGAIN TAKING SOMEONE TO BANKRUPTCY WHERE THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED CORRECT PROCEDURE. We expect the response from GO DEBT is to rubbish us as a form of defence rather than defend themselves proving us wrong.So expect that. We are not bothered as we will be leaving this in the hands of the authorities immediately after Easter to deal with anyway. GOOD LUCK
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| spud | Apr 5 2007, 11:30 AM Post #14 |
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Hi Viplosh ref your comments below "Our advice about do not pay them is on the basis that if they did not follow procedure in obtaining bankruptcies in the first place against people then they have broken the law pure and simple." Could you please post the section number of the Insolvency Act 1986 that they have breached? i look foward to your reply. |
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| williamr | Apr 5 2007, 11:34 AM Post #15 |
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Viplosh I'd like to take you up on your offer of posting the names and numbers of those we can all contact. It seems you have been "just about" to file your compliant ever since you first posted over two weeks ago. Please go ahead and file any complaint you have and then we can go about answering your complaint. Interestingly enough the hoax "OFT" callers said that I would be contacted within four days of their call..........I have heard nothing. It is my view that you are not genuine. William Rhodes Joint Managing Director Go Debt Limited |
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| viplosh | Apr 5 2007, 11:41 AM Post #16 |
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Spud We are making no further comments on this. A formal block complaint will be made against GO DEBT to the OFT and DTI next week and then we will post details. We have a case to put which will be looked at very seriously.Initial contact with OFT and DTI have been made. We have been talking about procedure with the customers prior to going for bankruptcy not issues relating to the insolvency Act. Look everyone we have posted what we need to say on GO DEBT for the present time. Let the authorities do their stuff and await the outcome. Please do not be offended by our silence from now but we have to follow our procedures with the authorities now and have said all we need to indicate at this time. Happy Easter to you all.
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| viplosh | Apr 5 2007, 12:00 PM Post #17 |
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Mr Rhodes WE HAVE NOT MADE HOAX CALLS TO YOU!!! It does not matter if you do not want to believe we are genuine . You will find out soon enough. The authorities will be contacting you and your co director as listed at Companies House. You will then need to answer to them. Have you looked recently at all the web complaints aginst your company are you surprised that some pepole have got together to finally force the issue? Sometimes when putting a case together it takes longer than first envisaged,BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Do not fall into a very false sense of security by not wanting to believe the truth. Please do not assume if there are no further replies to you that this means we are not genuine it is simply that we have said all we need to say at this time. MATTERS ARE PROCEEDING When you are contacted you will then know it is true. We do not need to prove anything to you. Have you thought that the hoax caller could be a disgruntled ex employee of yours or a whistleblower in house possibly. Regards |
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