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oncetherewasaway	May 21 2007, 01:50 AM
McEditor Posts: 1,625 Group: .Grey Girls. Member #23 Joined: October 25, 2006	[size=7]Season Finale Thoughts, Theories, Predictions[/size] [size=7]Fish-isms (Shonda's Metaphorisim)[/size] Posted: May 14 @ 01:25 AM by: Dryfish (815 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 11, 2007 There is a slim chance that 2 attendings might have a different nature: (as I initially thought, based on the fact that IMO Izzie works better with Burke) Derek - Rock Burke - Rope McSunny16 argued that this is might be not right, because Derek is obviously a Rope, he ties to him Mark, Addie, Richard etc. But the best idea from Sunny was this one: If Derek is Rope, then he and Meredith (Rope) can create a nice tied knot. I like Sunny's idea that Derek and Meredith might create a beautiful tie/knot and you see the final scheme in the second post. I agreed with Sunny. We can verify the whole theory when the interns will pick up their specialties. If Cristina picks - Cardio, than our assumption that Burke is Rock is correct. (Fish thinks that there is a chance that Cris might pick a neurosurgery; it's highly controversial). I am not going to discuss it here..there is a thread about possible specialties for the interns; we are really close to find out which specialty Cris will pick (hope before S3 ends?) **If somebody sees this metaphor in a different light, it's more than OK. You might want and offer to us your own theory? [size=7]Foreshadowing[/size] [size=7]Four Climbers[/size] 4th Climber Lonnie. He comes in hypothermic and with an axe in his head and he should be dead already, but he isn't because of the hypothermia, I'm quite sure. Remind you of anyone? Now, we know the interns already didn't leave Meredith behind, like the climbers left Lonnie. So that aspect of the story has been worked. How will this trauma to the head that was intentionally inflected end up being a metaphor? I think it has to speak to Derek in some way.. . The hypothermic, intentionally injured person is just really obvious to me as Meredith (which we knew) and the injuries her parents inflicted on her. It has to help him understand. Lonnie was messed with in the head........and it was an injury inflicted by friends or people he trusted....right now can we call the pic ax Ellis and thatcher....they have both gotten into her head? On second thought the ax represents Thatcher.....and his words your not wanted.(I think it's both parents . . . but Thatcher most poignantly.) Derek soooo better get this metaphor....LOL He better remove the ax and set Mer on her way to healing..... ______________________________ 4 climbers theory: Fish I think it's obvious that 4 climbers are a metaphor for 4 attendings and race for COS.. Addison is out and I don't consider her..Addison is NOT working with other attendings on this case, but Richard does.. The 4 competitors for COS race are: Burke, Derek, Sloan and Richard (Bailey playing for him; Richard doesn’t know yet that he is in). We don't know the full story of the accident yet.. so I think we should wait a bit; But I am ready to say this: --The 4 th climber was injured in his HEAD- I think it's an indication for DEREK. (being a neurosurgeon) --If the 4th climber was hit with an axe by accident, it might mean that Derek's decision to accept the COS might be influenced by accident (by Bay accident). --He was hit with an axe by his BFriend - that's fragging and another indication pointing to DEREK. (Mark betrayed Derek) --If 4th climber refused to go with them and save himself, it could be the last point that Derek refuses to become a Chief. The first round - Tie. They all had equal chances at the beginning. The second round - Burke won. Richard appointed him to be a chief. (Bailey played for Richard). The third round will be the winning one. It's only my speculation..Somebody might see it in different light? at the moment, I see the metaphor between the 4 climbers and the attendings (their race for COS). Attendings being the climbers in their career.. Knowing Shonda & her love for double metaphors and parallels, I think the climbers' case is a metaphor for the interns as well. I need to think on that one a bit longer, because, at the moment, I don't know how to connect 4 climbers and 5 interns. ----need to hear more of the climbers story, but I see the connection between the climbers and the interns in this way: First round - Tie. They all have a good chance to play again. After the LVADgate. Izzie is not playing. Second round - Cristina (Rock) gets a second chance after the Tremorgate. Third round - somebody is out. I think it's George.Izzie sent him to help Meredith. She pulled the rope. Mer passed the exam and George is cut from the program. I am not sure in this spec yet. Seriously. ______________________________ Well I think the climbers represent the interns in the scenario of they started out together but where the climbers left one behind the interns didn't. Also isn't it supposed to be the climbers are all tied together so if one slips they all slip which pretty much is what happens with the interns. Hmm.. if one of the interns really are failing their exam, I'm leaning towards it being Cristina. Everyone seems to be expecting George, and in the last episode Izzie looks to Cristina asking her what to do about Meredith, and Cristina makes the comment about her not knowing, because she doesn't fail - and nor does Meredith. Meredith did fail the first test but was given another shot... but Cristina? ______________________________ I def think its George too. First I thought Izzie but I was thinking way back and remember the Chief told Burke in like the first episode that George barely made it in the program. Ive always got the impression he was the weakest link when it came to stuff like that. He freaks out under pressure ______________________________ At this point, I see the axe in Lonnie's head (4th climber) as symbolic of what Thatcher (and Ellis too) did to Meredith. Derek should be the one to work on him, so it should help this click for him - intentional harm. Especially if it's the speech center that is damaged and Lonnie can't talk and tell what happened. ______________________________ by: merdermaid (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 21, 2007 Here is what I said about the 4th climber yesterday. I see the climbers as the interns, not the attendings. They really haven't impacted the attendings or the residents. Hey, I have a 4th Climber Lonnie thought. He comes in hypothermic and with an axe in his head and he should be dead already, but he isn't because of the hypothermia, I'm quite sure. Remind you of anyone? Now, we know the interns already didn't leave Meredith behind, like the climbers left Lonnie. So that aspect of the story has been worked. How will this trauma to the head that was intentionally inflected end up being a metaphor? I think it has to speak to Derek in some way.. . The hypothermic, intentionally injured person is just really obvious to me as Meredith (which we knew) and the injuries her parents inflicted on her. Will it help Derek understand? [size=7]Karma[/size] [size=7]Key Dialogue [/size] Also sex is not the answer. Or do you want a repeat of trailer bad sex? Avoiding the issues will explode it further. In podcast....the phrase ‘sex helps’ was stressed, but it didn’t say it was true or false, we were just told to remember. A lesson for Mer, it doesn’t always help the avoiding talking with each other and avoiding the issues between them _______________________________ I laughed...just sat here and laughed. "I dont keep secrets" HAHAH are u kidding me? I could have sworn he had a wife that he didnt tell Meredith about...Hmmm no? Was I the only one who remembers that HUGE secret that he kept? Could there be a bigger secret to keep from someone?? Im sorry but Derek is just an a$$...hes not even worth it at this point And the scene "we don't keep secrets...I DON'T KEEP SECRETS...." Derek is referring directly to the happenings of the day before! Mer freezing and not telling him and then Thatcher....he is implying he found out about what happened which would have been run of the mill gossip at SGH!!!!! SO, CD---of course the Derek hiding his pain kept Addi a secret but this is the new Derek and in that scene he isn't hiding ANYTHING! _______________________________ Testing 1-2-3 [3.24] Meredith [voiceover]: A surgeon's education never ends. Every patient, every symptom, every operation...is a test. A chance for us to demonstrate how much we know. And how much more we have to learn. Meredith you have still so much to learn about and from Derek and he you. _______________________________ Testing 1-2-3. Seasons 1 ..... Season 2..... Season 3, they have all been quite testing for our couple.... SF, will give the results......pass or fail. I go with pass Oh, one more thought. "Testing 1-2-3" is often a phrase used when testing a microphone or sound system. The person speaks into the microphone and says ...... "testing 123"......to determine if he is being heard by others. It might be said this phrase is being said to both Mer and Derek ...... and Burke and Cris........ these individuals are having trouble with 'reception' of what is being said and/or the broadcasting portion of it :) I rewatched Testing this afternoon.....specifically the end scene with the girl at the bar. Girl : Hi Derek: Hi Girl : Can I buy you a drink? Derek: Woah, you’re forward. Girl : Bad day, I get to be forward today. Derek: Yeah, I’ve had a bad day too. Girl : So.... what do you say, one drink? Derek: Umm, I'm with some friends, it’s a bachelor party, so, I’m gonna....I’m gonna say no. Girl : That’s too bad. Derek: Yeah.......maybe you're right. The way Derek tells the girl no......I think it may mean more to us. Rather than telling the girl he is with friends and decline ...... he states he is at a bachelor party. This is for a reason.....it's not just any bachelor party. I do use alot of words to avoid TTTMNBM. It's THE bachelor party! _______________________________ merdermaid (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 21, 2007 This is key: Mama Burke says, "You're selfish and my son is giving. And it's not going to last . . . much longer." Then a scene or two later we see "Mama" and Preston chatting it up. Cris is on the outside looking in. I'm watching 3.2 now . . . Mama Burke is scary. And Derek did NOT get Cris and her concerns . . . We'll see what else stands out. Derek says - twice, that Meredith is not an affair. I always pondered that . . . _______________________________ does it strike you funny these words spoken by Derek Shepherd? "we can be dull and lifeless together." Ladies isn't that what we have seen this entire season? Dull then led to lifeless........ THERE IS HOPE WOMEN OF THE SPEC and DIS THREAD. dull+lifeless=TOGETHER!!!!!!!! Dull and Lifeless together - As long as they are together (I'm going to look for a quote about that that I remember). _______________________________ okay something else just hit me too! how did Mer answer ellis about choosing a specialty? she said she was waiting to be inspired....LOL Hearing Derek tell her to be worried about another woman is all the inspiration she's gonna need.......Full circle [size=7]Metaphors[/size] [size=7]Parallels[/size] [size=7]Percentages [/size] merdermaid (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 21, 2007 No it's because of the brain surgeon and his dark and twisty girlfriend that I'm in this state. Ok it's time to be honest how many of us seriously and honestly think things will be ok. At this point, for the reasons I just posted and the overall story, I am at 80% likelihood of a good outcome in the SF (no HUGE cliff). Also, the show loses so much credibility if Mer and Der are broken up - even if Derek as a character has flaws, the KISW aspect is real for him too. So Shonda can't just toss that without pretty much trashing the show. The things in the other 20% are the announcement of Chyler's contract, the need for a cliff, the fact that this is Shonda . . . probably a few other things. I'll have to think about it. They all go more towards the realities of what TV writing is like, not the info we have. Terri, with what you just listed (BRILLIANT!) and what I just came up with , I'm bumping up to 97.5% :) ______________________________________________ oncetherewasaway Lynn I am at a higher percentage than you right now. I'm giving us a 98% degree of likelihood that we will have the TTTMNBM SF. That's just me. Oh, me, looking for a sign...... Testing 1-2-3. Seasons 1 ..... Season 2..... Season 3, they have all been quite testing for our couple.... SF, will give the results......pass or fail. I go with pass ______________________________________________ jenlou1986 (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2007 Morning girls.....just popping in before I go to work and uni......Someone needs to buddy Angelique should she decide to brave the wilds....if only for my peace of mind...;) Oh, and I'm up to 99% positive....it is looking good!! :) ______________________________________________ Posted: May 13 @ 03:10 PM by: DutchMerDerfan (1188 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 21, 2007 99,9 % ______________________________________________ by: Merdertruelove (2160 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 01, 2007 My percentage is 51%. ______________________________________________ by: Merdertruelove (2160 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 01, 2007 Lisette you would have been so proud. In the last thread a poster came on and said something and I demolished it. Respectfully but I demolished it. Then I gave this whole rant and Terri gave me a standing ovation. I went on to two threads TWO protecting and fighting for Mer/Der. Our Mer/Der that has so much love and symbolism. Who may have many, many, many reasons to break up but even stronger reasons to stay and be together. This weekend I was at 150%. ______________________________________________ GraveDance (443 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 08, 2006 Hey ladies! Sorry I've been MIA all weekend, with my parents anniversary party (which was a blast) and Mother's Day I've been kept busy. So about percentages about Mer/Der being okay... I'm probably about 70% that we're going to get a happy conclusion at the end of the season. How happy I'm not sure, but happy. The other 30% is me thinking that it's going to be a cliffy....we won't be sure if they work through it or not...like they fight and one walks away....or they're just left looking at each other or something. ______________________________________________ by: knappmom3 (1898 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2007 Derek did seem to take eons in decision making but at the end of Where the Boys Are he showed up and DECIDED he needed her more than he needed space. From that moment in the bar he was with her all the way even through celibacy and crossword puzzles and near knitting. etc I'm 95% sure we will have a great outcome. I think it will be cliffy but honestly was Finn a real cliff? So, of course it will set up the question to carry us into the next season. I would love for us NOT to hinge on a MEr der cliff but THEY are the hook of the show and I don't know if Shonda has the guts to end a season without a true cliff for them, yaknow? IT will always open and close with MEr because it is Grey's anatomy ______________________________________________ jenlou1986 (2435 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2007 I am 99.9% sure we will have a good ending....but the chances are high that it will be a cliffhanger......however, I firmly believe it will be a positive cliffhanger......I am so far off the ledge, I have left the freaking building!!!!!! :) [size=7]Predictions[/size] Posted: May 15 @ 06:08 AM by: McDreamysFan (654 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 20, 2006 HI ladies, I just posted this on our Judy Dolls Thread, but I thought you might like a vision to squee for also, at least Mer/Der Shippers...here is goes: ___________________________________________ Okay, very quietly, I think I have the cliff-hanger moment down...you may squee just like me in a couple of minutes...here it is: We think (as in we, I mean you and me), think that some of the actions/speculations surrounding Mer/Der will end in either a real or symbolic wedding/marriage. I have been formulating in my mind images of weddings, symbols, etc., and you know I am a believer that there will be some sort of "metaphorical" exchanging of vows with some real symbolism to give us clues, like "chuppah, broken glass and yichud". Now I am going to propose (again no pun intended) that there will be a "real" Mer/Der wedding, or exchange of vows and here's why: The way the seasons end ofr Mer/Der, like you have said, they really end with shockers for Mer/Der alike... 1. Addison shows up, "Hi. I'm Addison Shephard. You must be the woman who has been screwing my husband."...then the famous mousy, "Shephard?" from Meredith. 2. Stolen moment prom s.ex, "Meredith, what does this mean?" 3. This time, they know what this means. If they get into a marriage it is because he asks her and there are no problems, impulsive, yes, but this makes sense for a variety of reasons, the main one being, that they tried to make sure there relationship was not based on s exual impluse (waiting to have s ex), trying not to be implulsive, but maybe in the end implusive works better for them... Okay, all that said...get ready to squee, picture this: Meredith and Derek get married in some fashion (don't ask me how, where, etc.), exchange vows, go to yichud, mind blowing yichud (why not this is my fantasy, LOL). We see them come into work the next morning. They kiss and separate. Derek at nurses station. Woman from bar comes up to Derek. Shocked to see him there, a flash comes aross his face, he recognizes her... She says, "oh, hi", peeks at his lab coat and says "Dr. Shephard" and he says "hi". She says, "my name is Lexie Grey", kind of flirty, but trying her best focusing on the task at hand, "Do you know Meredith Grey?". Meredith walks up just then and smiles at Derek and Lexie and says, "It's Shephard, actually, I'm Meredith Shephard , how can I help you?" Screen goes to black. *shhhhh, yeah, I said it* Just Meredith saying those words out loud would make me squeee!!!!! _______________________________________ Posted: May 13 @ 10:48 AM by: merdermaid (967 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 21, 2007 Here are my reasons that I think Meredith and Derek won't be on the cliff at the end of the SF: 1.AvaRebecca having her husband come back and each of them realizing they were wrong about why the other was acting the way they were (He didn't look for me. She didn't want me.) and that this misunderstanding was causing the breakdown (not that there aren't other issues to work on) gives me the MOST HOPE for a good season end for Meredith and Derek. 2. So far the pattern is to end the season with a switch of directions for Meredith and Derek - they need to come together to switch directions. 3. Shonda and Betsy admit that things have been rather brutal for Meredith. 4. Too much as been made about "knowing" when the bride walks down the aisle. It's Derek who has the decision point right now. Meredith needs to make changes, but she's still committed to him. 5. Izzie Derek Karma wheel 6. Allan H says at the end of the blog that the writers are looking at how far the characters have come this season . . . and Derek wouldn't have come far if he was still taking time or dating someone else. Meredith would have come a little way -but not a long way - if she can't connect with Derek. 7. In the chit chat at the end of the podcast (the part we don't transcribe), Betsy says they'll tell us everything next week because there will be no more secrets. I take that as Meredith and Derek being together in a more committed way, or else there would be secrets. 8. Terry's brilliant catch of the bachelor party and then the tp bride being Mer. 9. Savvy's road map about dull, lifeless season (add something here, Savvy, because I'm not recapping well). [size=7]Rock, Paper, Scissors,Glue, Rope – metaphor [/size] Posted: May 14 @ 01:15 AM by: Dryfish (810 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 11, 2007 Rock, Paper, Scissors, Glue, Rope –metaphor. (RPSGR) I came with this idea in S&D thread.. Some ppl didn't get at first, so I tried to summarize it again in this thread. This metaphor was given to us in epi. 324 –it represents the dynamics of all relationships on GA and gives an idea of who these characters are in their nature. The writers provided 3 significant clues for us – in a way, they ‘attached’ some meanings to the certain characters. Izzie called George – Glue. Meredith is the one that changes (pulls) the score of the exam for all interns; also she obviously ties all the interns together, so she is Rope. Balie pointed to Burke during the second round and said “Rock”. * Bailey played “rock, paper, scissors” with 3 attendings.. Before we assign every element to the characters, we need to employ some abstract thinking. Which element (from the list of 5) works the best with others? Rock – Rope Paper – Scissors, Glue Scissors – Paper, Rope Glue – works with all elements well, but particularly with Paper Rope – Rock, Scissors *They all also work well with themselves: rock with rock, paper with paper etc. Now we can assign the elements to the characters. One way to do it is by keeping in mind which character is working with whom well (for example: we all know Mer+Cris = best friends) Interns: Izzie – scissors (hint: cut the lvad-wire) George -glue Alex - paper Cristina - rock Meredith – rope Attendings: Addie – paper - OB/Gyn- neonatal surgeon Derek – rope - neurosurgeon Burke – rock - cardiothoracic surgeon Sloan – scissors – plastic surgeon Richard – glue – general surgeon see next post Posted: May 14 @ 01:15 AM by: Dryfish (810 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 11, 2007 cont. from previous post: Now we can draw a table of dynamics between the interns and attendings (keeping in mind the abstract thinking): Addie - paper => Izzie - sciss; George -glue; Alex - paper Derek - rope => Mer- rope; Cris – rock; Izzie – sciss. Burke -rock => Cris - rock; Mer - rope Sloane - sciss => Alex- paper; Mer - rope; Izzie - sciss. Richard – glue => works well with all characters, but particularly with George – glue, Alex – paper. (George isn’t the glue that holds all the interns, in this metaphor Glue means the communication, the ability to connect well with other elements/characters. Richard and Bailey are also ‘glue’ at SGH, no wonder both of them like George. George communicates well with the entire hospital, just like Bailey and Richard. Nurses just love George). This metaphor also tells us who the interns are by their nature. We know now what specialty they should pick, by looking at their abstract nature Cris is a cardion Goddess Mer is a neuro Geek Izzie is a plastic Queen Alex is an OB/Gyn Neonatal King George is a general surgeon (if he stays at SGH) Apparently, George has a potential to become a chief of surgery in the future, he connects well with all ppl at SGH. [size=7]Video/Song Indicators[/size] [size=7]Wedding Party - Cathy[/size]


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