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10.26.07 - E.P.'s Shonda Rhimes and Betsy Beers look back at last night's episode and get ready for Kung Fu Fighting. (11/1/07)


Meredith brings her mother to work. Izzie and George’s secret is exposed and Alex gets a visit from an old friend. We’ll have commentary on all that and more on today’s official Grey’s Anatomy podcast hosted ABC.com

Last night was the big Halloween episode for Grey’s Anatomy .... a first for the show. And things became extremely dark and twisty. A little boy got a new pair of ears while someone else sawed off their own leg, on purpose, seriously. Just another Halloween at Seattle Grace. Executive producers Shonda Rhimes and Betsy Beers join us to talk about all things Halloween and of course all things Grey. They’ll also tease about next weeks episode “Kung Fu Fighting” in which there’s no actual fighting. They’ll talk about why they chose that title and also what the is best machine is work out on while listening to the song “Kung Fu Fighting”.... and here’s a hint.... its not the treadmill. “Kung Fu Fighting” airs Thursday, Nov 1st on ABC.

It’s Halloween over at Grey’s Anatomy, which means you have just seen our Halloween episode “Haunt You Every Day” which yes is rightfully titled “Haunt You Every Day”. I gotta say I just think first of all it was great you did a Halloween episode. Because we’ve never done before. We’ve done Thanksgiving, we’ve done Christmas. We just really felt it was time to share some Halloween. We did a little bit of Hanukkah. We did a prom which was a spring episode in a strange way. This I thought was really. really great.

And there’s were lots of hauntings in this episode, really I think very, very aptly titled. Ava appears much like a ghost, a kissy ghost, very, very kissy ghost but a ghost just the same. What a relief to finally to see Ava and what a relief and for Alex and Ava finally to be together ’cause honestly I’ve been waiting six months for that and I really felt as though he was ready too. He was, and that’s what really broke my heart at the end of last season he ran back to the room and he was really ready to it and then she was already gone plus even though we do a lot of adultery on the show, she is married and she does have a baby and that’s probably gonna come up at some point. I would think that would rear a head, that might be a wrinkle. It might be something. Absolutely. Alex is a pretty ethical guy, yeah he really doesn’t find himself in these sort of situations ‘cause he just doesn’t stand for them. And he’s actually taken the high road in a couple of situations where he’s sort of the honest moral backbone in a real strange way so he’s kinda of in a quandary here, it’s definitely a quandary. When he first sees her and pulls the curtain over I think it’s one of the most amazing moments of the two of them standing there and he just grabs her. I like to watch Alex kiss people. Yeah, me too. But I also like actually like watching Alex actually sniff the sweater at the end, yeah, that she left the shirt and I thought that was great too.

There’s some other hauntings I think are key to this. The big one being Meredith’s mom and her ashes. Which we were very proud of, the idea that Meredith would bring her bag of mommy to work, we love that. And I think very, very realistic that Meredith would not have dealt with it literally, at all, physically not dealt with. That’s the key to Meredith Grey really, is she shoves things to the back of her closet and deals with them later and then they become a problem. And so I thought it was really interesting that she’s having this nightmare which was really fun to do. And if you watch our show you remember her telling Derek to pick her choose her, love her. And then she brings those ashes in and tries to find some way to dispose of them, while at the same time trying to help a adorable little boy find ears. Which she succeeds in doing by using her dead mother’s capital, strangely enough. Which means actually Ellis throughout this entire episode inadvertently is doing something really great, because there’s this sort presence all the way though that gets to the very end which is literally one of my favorite moments in the history of the show where she figures out the right place to put her mom and that’s where she would have wanted to be. And I love the fact that Lexie basically says “I did this thing for my mom that was sort of disgusting and horrible, I dug up my dead mom’s cat”. Honestly we had such a debate about it in the writers room because half the people were like ‘She can’t say that’ and half the people, “It’s gonna be really charming”. And it was oddly charming, telling the story of telling digging up her dead mom’s cat and that giving Mer sort of the freedom to do something and the sweet little boy saying “Back to the sea is better than your cubby”. He’s great. He was awesome actually, amazing, he created the whole little speech pattern, yeah he was great. Wonderful actor and really, really fun to work with.


And I love the whole ending for Norman. The whole idea, that a different kind of haunting of his wife who he believes honestly, kept saying to him.... “you’ve got to go into surgery, you’ve got to go into surgery” so that he would be protected and taken care of when he was ready. I went into surgery and now I’m surrounded by you people when I had a massive stroke” which is fantastic. And he also says he’s going into ‘shrinks’ because you people all need one. Everybody needs a good shrink. Exactly.

I also just love the man who had this foot that he thought wasn’t his. The phantom limb. That was really interesting for us because it’s a story that doesn’t really have a end that’s satisfying. I mean there’s not a moment when the man says “and I was wrong all along to think this the foot wasn’t mine.” No, he pretty much really believes that the foot’s not his. In the extended up version you might get to see a little ending on that show. The real performance of that, is simply this man who really doesn’t believe that foot should be on his body. And this is actually a real medical condition. It’s a real medical condition. It happens with feet and arms and all sorts of things but that apparently you do wake up and honestly believe there is a part of you body which doesn’t belong to you. He kept saying “It think it’s a corpse foot” like it was very interesting. I also love “I’m not crazy, I work at a bank.” I could say maybe he IS crazy, he works in a bank. I think that working in a bank is probably that’s the ultimate point of sanity and the guy keeps saying “I cant believe it either” what really, really makes it work. And it’s a great performance by Rocky Carroll who’s a wonderful actor. He’s fantastic.

The other great thing was Erica Hahn, Brooke Smith plays Erica Hahn and she’s back baby. She’s back and she’s there. What I really love simply this idea that Cristina is haunted by her past. Brooke Smith has no respect for Cristina now that she knows that she was in a relationship with Burke and that Cristina was in a relationship with her former professor. Cristina is certainly finding herself haunted by her past relationships which I think is fantastic. Yeah, that’s great. And its great to see Erica Hahn too because she has this amazing strength and sort of different kind of power, than we’ve seen in those halls recently. The older doctors, Derek and Richard and even Bailey are all kind of finding their way. Richard is trying to figure out alright, how much do I want to do to get Adele back.. Derek is moving through, trying to figure out, okay how much do I actually be with Meredith. What do I need? And to have this woman come in who’s this sort of powerhouse at this point, who knows exactly what she wants, seems incredibly uncomplicated is really wonderful and I love this strange, weird competition which is sort of potentially brewing between Cristina and Hahn. Which is wonderful. All the stuff that’s coming for them is going to be really, really interesting.

I also think is great that Mark and Derek are sort of becoming friends. There past becoming and they sort of ARE friends. Yeah. I love that I can now see pretty much what it was like in New York when they were hanging out and doing stuff together which I think is great. But that whole strange little prank that he pulls.

I love Sydney, Oh ..... Sydney and all the giggling nurses. Are there really shepherds in your heritage, are there shepherds in your lineage. She’s wonderful, that girl is wonderful. And sort of the look on Derek’s face and I love that he is very sweet and gentle. He very patient about the entire thing. Um huh. Yes.

Callie’s been sprung. Callie’s been sprung. I mean she’s been sprung into Cristina’s sofa but the girl lived in a basement, so I think that’s a step up. I absolutely agree. A basement and a hotel. And she couldn’t really stay in a hotel being sort of the place she lived with George. Exactly, exactly. But when you think about it, the new husband and wife living in a hotel how temporary that all felt. Yeah, and which so great. And now she’s in Cristina’s very messy sofa. Exactly. But living, loving, learning. Exactly, exactly. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed the apartment is slowly undergoing a metamorphosis from being Burke’s place to really Cristina’s place. She’s kind of taking it over. So its baptism by mess. Baptism by mess. Very, very impressive. Very Impressive.

George and Izzie. And everyone finding out. I love when Callie sort of says, “because you know she’s been sleeping with my husband, any questions?” That was great. And just the trauma of having your life be public and not getting the approval of your friends. Not getting the approval from Cristina and Meredith’s trying, but also ultimately sort of asking questions like “is this, could this be brother sister love”, so not so good for them but they sort of make it through that day which is lovely. And I think Izzie is right on a huge level, Cristina and Meredith are a closed circle and she’ll never ever get to be a part of that closed circle. No matter how she tries. But I love Cristina denies it. Like after that entire speech, I love that moment of her saying “we’re not a closed circle”. Because well I think Cristina feels that on a great many fronts she has put herself out there for Izzie, up to and including the fact you know, when Izzie cut an LVAD wire Cristina stayed in that room. It’s true. So for her, she is not a closed circle. But for Izzie specifically and emotionally she is always gonna be on the outside. She is never gonna sort of get let into that group because the two of them are each person and there’s really no room for a third person when you are someone’s person. And Izzie is more generous than that in a weird way, Izzie can be a lot of people’s person at the same time. But for Cristina pure perspective, Cristina sort of “I’ve given more to you than anybody else except for Meredith”, so therefore, consider yourself lucky and happy and stop whining. But that’s very Cristina. But from Izzie’s perspective I think that she feels like there could be more because she knows she would give more. I think Izzie just doesn’t understand why there has to be circles. It’s like, can’t we all be friends. I don’t understand why I need a circle. I think it takes something out of Cristina to open herself on that level, every single time she does. And for her to be more than one person’s person, it’s too much work.

And there’s poor Bailey, ahh...Bailey missing Tuck’s first Halloween cause she’s helping a little boy get ears. I really love her whole speech about how a marriage is not all black and white. And talking to George about it not totally being his fault and there were two sides to this story. What I love about it is because we all sort of accepted Bailey’s got her personal life down, and it’s sort of together and perfect. And to hear it a come from her rather than anybody else as to why its sort of okay that George’s marriage failed and that George was not the villain was wonderful because I felt like it gave him an answer that he needed which is “your not the bad guy, you did a bad thing, but you’re not a bad guy”.

And Bailey herself clearly seems to be feeling seems to be feeling she’s been doing a couple of bad things lately. Not on that level. She is trying to do good things but they are always construed as bad things. Exactly. And what is good and bad. It’s whatever version of the story you’re telling. Who’s version is it? I think about Bailey and how difficult it must be to actually be away from your baby all that time and you come home and the baby’s asleep and you a tiny bit of time in the morning but then you go to work And she never talks about it, she never complains with the exception of last season when she was singing on the phone. She’s trying to make it work, she is trying to make it work anyway she can.

So we have a good one coming up. “Kung Fu Fighting”. The title has nothing actually to do with the fight as opposed to when we were all standing around really one night trying to figure a title for this episode we all thought the “Kung Fu Fighting” was the greatest title ever for this episode. And we put it on the episode and we’re not totally sure why it’s called “Kung Fu Fighting” but there is a fight, a battle going on, sort of a silent battle, we thought was being was pretty cool. But also everyone trying to be hardcore and “Kung Fu Fighting” seemed to be a song about being hardcore. There is gonna be some really pretty juicy stuff in there. And you gonna see George is gonna do something you’ve never seen George do, you’re definitely gonna see George do something you’ve never seen George do. It’s also funny. It’s funny and then you’ll get the Kung “Fu Fighting” thing when you watch it.

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