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merderenchanted	Oct 27 2007, 05:45 AM
Posts: 103 Group: Grey Girls Member #251 Joined: April 15, 2007	If she gets magnates I want stickers. :rolleyes: :wub: Thanks Terri. Oct. 9, 2007 10:00pm First of all think back to the summer we knew this was going to happen but it seems the original actress fell through. Remember a spoiler came out stating that the person who played nurse Zibby was cast as McDreamy's love interest to try to steal him away? Guess what now it's not nurse Zibby but whatever character this woman will play. Operative word here is TRY. Shonda said she doesn't see him with anyone but Meredith. HE LOVES MEREDITH!!!! Think back to the Ausiello interview did you see how she stressed it? So that does mean something. Next thing this has to be Derek's FINN. Meredith needs a kick in the pants. Love her to death but she has to start being proactive and fighting for the man she loves. She needs to stop leaning on those daddy issues as an excuse not to. I don't like this one bit but I can see the writing on the wall. Shonda ends the year like she starts it. How did she start it? Meredith and Derek together. Meredith choosing Derek and them walking away TOGETHER. It's going to be a bumpy ride so lets hang on to one another. AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE COMMENT ON THE BLOGS. And PANEL MEMBERS ALSO ON THE PANEL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- October 11, 2007 2:00 PM Alright I know that we're supposed to be as bright and shiney as possible and help each other and for the most part I have been sticking to that but right now I must vent or my spleen will burst. I hate what they're doing to Meredith and I hate what they're doing to Mer/Der. This ghost that they have right now is not the Meredith we know. That sneak with them in the supply closet has left me in pain and furious. I can understand Derek's pain. Meredith is taking it too far. She's now sneaking around to shield Cristina? From what? Cristina could care less. As a matter of fact Cristina is playing her. With 401 I leaped onto Shonda's boat and slapped myself for ever doubting her. After the premiere I was doing the slide because Shonda surprised us all because she showed Derek getting it. She showed that verbally they said they were broken up but their actions spoke louder than the words. The love was there. Her blog and podcast backed it up. It was a rocky road but we were gonna get growth. Mer/Der were going to be ok. Meredith was going to face her problems. We got spoilers saying they would flourish and grow closer. NE was giving us the proposal. 108 WINTERS. YAY!!! Now the rug is being pulled with the simple words 'potential love interest" and "the relationships will get closure so new ones can begin." STRETCHER ANGELIQUE NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP FROM THE FLOOR. Shonda Rhimes is a brilliant writer with so much talent. As a woman and a woman of color to rise as far as she has makes my heart so d@mn proud because she broke the barriers of a male dominated Hollywood. So I expect so much more and better from her in the treatment of Mer/Der when the chemistry and the potential are there. I expect better treatment of the Meredith character with the talent of EP. I get it its her vision, it's her story and she's leading the journey. Who am I to question her? I even make excuses and explain certain things to swallow them and accept them and move on. But the pain has become physical. Yes it's just a tv show. It's just a tv show. It's there for enjoyment. Why am I whining? BECAUSE SHONDA IS JUST THAT D@MN GOOD TO HAVE ME HERE CRYING OVER FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!!! AND I HATE THAT I SOUND LIKE NANCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________ Oct. 14, 2007 10:00pm I don't know what you want to call this. Mini rant. Defense of Meredith. Defense of Derek. Defense of Mer/Der. Defense of Shonda (big one for me). Defense of the show. When I like a ship I like them through the good, the bad and the down right ugly and nasty. Mer/Der are my ship. From day one Meredith and Derek have melted our screens with their chemistry. From their initial meeting (or rather our initial viewing of them) to the present time. Be they lovey dovey with each other, pining for one another or angry and spitting nails at each other. The chemistry between these to characters leaps off the screen and into our rooms clinging to the very scene they're in. We pick apart the details of their scenes trying to find the symbolism in everything that they do and say to one another. My whole reason for watching and buy three seasons of DVDs is for the MerDer of it all. I love the show as a whole but to be honest they are my primary reason. Wether you love them or hate them they are the central couple of this show. Heck even PD and EP are rooting for them and speaking on how they want them together. In a recent shoot with EW PD even stated he wanted them to get married (Can you see why I love this man?). This is a great couple on Grey's Anatomy. They have been through the ringer and have had very little time to actually be a couple. Meredith as an individual has been through a lot. She came in dark and twisty with the parental issues. Added is the mom on Alzheimers issue, daddy abandonment issues, boyfriend has a wife issues, two NDEs issues, fake mommy death issues, daddy slaps her in the face issues. Meredith has a lot of issues. But the Meredith we were introduced to is a fighter who stayed above her issues and functioned and fought for what she wanted. The feisty Meredith is what drew Derek in. Derek is the only man she can ever love with all her heart. Derek is McDreamy. He came to us broken and Meredith made him whole. He's an honorable and noble man who is everything but perfect. I do not define him as honorable as MamaBurke would. he has flaws with some major holes going on. But he does things with the best of intentions. He wants to be with Meredith. He wants to help her help herself . He loves Meredith. This show has made it so that I hate shapes. Not just any shapes but in particular triangles. The only triangle I want to see is the one found on paper money. Meredith and Derek do not need to be involved in a triangle ever again o a rectangle or a square. The only shape in their future should be a diamond set on top of a circle. With that said Ausiello confirmed that this new character is a potential love interest for Derek. To say the least I was not pleased and started cursing a blue streak. But at the same time I see why they're bringing in this recurring character. Meredith needs a wake up call and hopefully where surgiory failed this character will help her to understand that she needs to get herself together to fight for want she wants and not lean on her issues like a crutch. She sees Derek as the man that loves her but won't let him love her and won't deal with the issues to get to the point where she can. Right now she's comfortable because they may be broken up but she's still getting her time with him. He's not blameless in this but they are playing by her rules. They both have to step up and take care of business. This by no means is th end of them just one hurdle to get through. ------------------------------- October 24, 2007 10:00 PM I am one of the biggest fans of Mer/Der. I love them individually and most especially as a couple. I have to have my Mer/Der fix every day. Don't talk to me about them being apart or with other people because I will shout you down.For the past few weeks we have been getting bitter pills to swallow with the announcement of a new love interest for Derek. Everybody has been pegging it to a foiler and that she's really there for Mark. That's both wrong and right (IMO). Mer/Der are soulmates and belong together. They complete one another. They are not the central aspect of the show. Meredith is. But they are the heart of the show. I DON'T ADVOCATE ON ANY LEVEL THEM BEING IN TRIANGLES OR BEING WITH OTHER PEOPLE. But Mer/Der have issues to deal with and must grow before they can grow together. I love Meredith and think she's a great character. I know that she loves Derek. She wants to be with Derek. But she has to put up or shut up. Yes she had a sht load of tragic things happen to her one right behind the other. Yes she needs to heal and be allowed to heal. Yes she should be supported. Yes Derek should wait. Yes she knows what her issues are. But what is she doing about those issues. Derek can enter a monastery to wait for Meredith but until she does something about it's in vain. She can say until she's blue in the face yeah I have daddy and mommy issues. But what is she doing to correct them? What is she doing to confront them? She's still avoiding. She's like yeah they're there and goes on with life like nothing happened. Derek has his share of the blame in her issues too by hiding the fact he had a wife and choosing said wife over her. But then again did she confront him on it? Did she say when they were starting over you have to earn my trust again? No. She hugs all these issues to her like a crutch and places false layers on them. Before she can expect anything from anyone she needs to expect things from herself and meet those expectations. Meredith has to love herself and see the woman that Derek is inlove with and she doesn't. She has to grow. I love Derek and do believe he is McDreamy but he sure as hell isn't perfect and is very clueless at times. He needs to learn a better sense of timing on things and situations. He loves Meredith and wants to be with her. But Derek's major pitfall is he isn't patient in waiting for things. He sees things as cut and dry, like us fans. They love each other want to be together so they should just fulfill the dream. He gets Meredith and understands that she has issues and loves her issues and all. But he also thinks he can fix her and he can't. She needs to fix herself. He can't drag her because he would be no better than Burke who was dragging Cristina and forging her into the woman the HE thought she should be. In that aspect Derek is way better. He sees her dark and twisted and loves her all the same and wants her like that. Right now she's superbly dark and twisted and he wants her like that. He has the superman complex. He also needs to learn to just sit there and be there, don't try to fix it. He has to grow. Now on to the spoiler. In the spoiler love interest too much emphasis is being put on love. Finn was Meredith's love interest but she did not fall inlove with him. She did try to move on with him but she couldn't because of Derek. Derek owned her heart. This situation seems about to repeat itself. Only this time the shoe is on the other foot and it's Derek with Finnette. A constant thread and theme in this season that I can see is mistakes and learning from them. If you think in your lives certain mistakes are repeated and turn up in our lives until we learn from them. That's what's happening with all the characters. Not just Mer/Der. Derek's words to the chief for turning down the COS position were do it over and learn from your mistakes. Mer/Der need to do it over to learn from their mistakes. Meredith needs to not just say he's a great man but to know it and that she has a right to be happy with said man. Derek needs to learn he can have the perfect life but be willing to compromise a little on how exactly that perfect life is executed and give certain concessions. This woman will serve a double purpose to show Derek yes he can have the great life blah blah blah but not at the cost of the actual person that you want to be with. Meredith to cause a spark to light her up and not let some cheesy interloper come in and take her man. As for Derek leaving Meredith for this woman, I highly doubt that's the case. We have no idea what happens between now and then. But there will come a point where he will have to choose. He chose wrong once but he won't choose wrong again. Derek is not conflicted about his love for Meredith or has doubts about it. His doubts are if she wants to be with him as much as he wants to be with her. The last time she said I love you was in S2. As to Shonda and her words. Shonda says things for a reason if you believe the bad then have enough nerve to believe the good.: love the moment where Meredith and Derek break up, because I,personally was like, 'I'm not ready for them to break up'. I mean, I haven't been ready for them to break up for a long time. So to have them break up and then decide that they were gonna have a little bit of a break up kiss and then a little bit of break up sex, and obviously not get to a place where they could truly break up at all, was great and exciting for us. Because we really can't imagine sort of, having them be apart-apart and we weren't interested in having them be apart-apart. I felt like there was something really fabulous about him saying that he could never leave, and her realizing that no matter how much she says it's over, it's never gonna be over. And what does break up mean for them? And I just love that she's saying 'The more things change, the more they stay the same.' And she and Derek are kissing again. And they have a pull and it's magnetic and it's not going anywhere. And no matter how much she would like it to be simpler than that, it can't happen for her. Which is, in the long run going to be good with her, I think. He's not an axe-murderer, he's McDreamy." - Shonda Rhimes, Grey's Anatomy Official Podcast, September 28th, 2007. In the most recent podcast it states Meredith will get there but she has to grow. Shonda says things for a reason. Shonda stated in her interview that Derek loves Meredith and she can't see him going any where else. People are stating she lied. She didn't lie. She said she can't see him going anywhere else. But she didn't say she wasn't going to test that theory. It sucks but the reality of the matter is that all the great couples through out the history of television have their ups and downs. Max/Liz, Ben/Felicity, Ross/Rachel, Lois/Clarke. But look what she said in her podcast IN THE LONG RUN. So no Mer/Der are far from over. But they must take their journey. They will be together but we have to be patient. As for those that are of the mind and into the conspiracy that she's breaking them down because she wants us not to like them any more well I'll tell you like this. I want Mer/Der together in a healthy relationship working through their problems. If I don't get what I want then Shonda doesn't get what she wants. This whole mess is a thorn on my side so I shall be a thorn on her side through the blog. Everytime she turns around she will see my post asking for my Mer/Der. Meredith is the woman for Derek and Derek is the man for Meredith. Shonda won't give me my satisfaction then I won't give her hers. It's that simple. I'm not a quitter and don't know the meaning of the word. So please don't be so quick to throw in the towel. Let it play out and see where it goes. For in the end Mer/Der will be older and wiser. And I'm willing to bet together before this season ends and the cliffhanger of this season will be Meredith proposing to Derek. :D ------------------------------------ October 25, 2007 8:55 PM My Theory Meredith can't tell him she loves him but she really can't tell him and as much as this stupid triangle annoys me it has to be done to make Meredith better. As much as she let it go. It's still a weight between Meredith and Derek that he chose Addison over her. Derek must show Meredith that he does love her above all else by action. He has to choose her. So in her eyes she sees he had the chance to be with the "perfect" woman and get the all American dream but he chose her to be with and have A dream with her. In that sense she will open to trust him and tell him she LOVES him. ----------------------------- October 30, 2007 2:00 PM Angelique's Rants and musings.* This is my rant since everyone else has one. Why are people trying to find blame between Mer/Der? Why is there a division amongst people who say they're a fan of the couple? Why the doubt in the love of the two? Because she has issues? Because it was announced he was getting a potential love interest? This is Meredith and Derek since when has anything been easy for them? If it were easy it would be boring and people would say that they had it too simple. True love you have to delve into the highs and lows. True the off and on and triangles are nerve racking. There are better ways to test the couple in my opinion (i.e meeting his mother, Nancy, his other sisters, existing in an honest relationship, Cristina). But the point is the question should be why are the writers not pursuing those avenues and not pointing the fingers at the characters and tearing them down. At the beginning of the season it was all this Meredith hate. Now that this woman is being brought in it's all this Derek hate. Both of their characters were ripped up. When you take a good look both have made mistakes and have hurt each other. But it's glaringly obvious that they're deeply inlove with one another. They will both make mistakes but you don't just give up on one or both. They have a chemistry that others would kill to have but don't. So don't tear them up or put one on a higher pedestal than the other. They're Meredith and Derek and they're on a journey to finding themselves and one another. I'm on this ship through icebergs and all and will help to keep it afloat. -------------------------------------- November 3, 2007 8:13 AM I'm starting to really pull at a common thread that seems to be tying itself together. At the beginning of the year Meredith stated you don't know what you have until it's gone. Meredith requested the break up with Derek because she felt it was too much pressure and was relieved it would just be S&M because that would be something she could handle. There would be no pressure. Only to find out Thursday that because Derek isn't there every night to hold her and lay next to her she's having the dreams and panic attacks. We also find out that she feels safe when he just holds hers. So she is finding out what she had while it's gone. Those are her indicators. What will it take her getting the help she needs? Removal of her safety net and her hitting bottom. Meredith dealing with her mother's ashes and opening up to Derek in the oncall room about her NDE (which wasn't a dream ) for Meredith were huge step for her compared to her usual avoidance tactics. But that barely scatched the surface. She's still hugging her issues like a security blanket and a crutch. She told Derek she has abandonment issues. The words came out of her mouth. But when Cristina diagnosed her she poopooed the idea. Our poor Meredith has been through the ringer there's no doubt about that. But she needs to face her issues that she effectively has buried under avoidance for so long that she's now having a physical reaction to them. Derek is the cure. Derek is her safety net. Remove him she will start to scramble as we saw in the Halloween episode. So Rose is going to come in with thorns to pinch Meredith and spur her on to fight her demons. Many say Derek walks away, and it's wrong, but for all his walking away he always walks right back because he doesn't want her to be the one that got away. She's his big trout (I know not very romantic) which is why Addison didn't like trout. Not one person has ever done that for Meredith in terms of a male figure. I don't count Finn because he was more of a hinderance and in the end Liz and the horses would have come between them. Yes Mer/Der and their love are a rare bird. It's extremely special and surrounds them in a bond so tight that will guarantee they survive the bumps and twists and turns. So basically what will spur Meredithon to get help and face the issues is really facing losing Derek. Then she will have to confront her father on the damage he did and before they can honestly move forward in their relationship Meredith will have to speak to Derek on the damage he did by withholding the details of his marriage then choosing Addison over her. Yes he admitted he chose wrong but he still has to know what he did to her and to what extent. As for the comment she made the more he makes himself availible the more I push him away that has nothing to do with other women and everything to do with Mer/Der. In 405 Meredith only saw the exchange between Sydney and Derek and nothing to do with any other nurses. In the exchange between Sydney and Derek the flirtation was one sided and that was all Sydney. All Derek gave her was professional attentiveness. Then Sydney nailed the coffin by asking if there were any shepherds in his family history. It's the more he becomes availible to Meredith is the more she feels his needs to be closer to her the more she gets scared and pushes him away because she can't or doesn't want to deal with so much emotion and feelings. She scared so she pulls away. Just like she did after her mother called her ordinary. She doesn't know how to deal with those feelings. So of course when he asks for more, added that Thatcher will be in the picture, she will turn him down and push him away. Sounds sad but enter the silver lining. Both Derek and Meredith are hard headed and stubborn and in a blink of an eye will be entangled together and tighter than ever before trying to fight their feelings and losing that battle. As Roush said Derek will not give up on Meredith. They will make it and then we will have the wedding that will occur and be the extravaganza of the year Mer/Der. ---------------------------------------------------


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