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jenlou1986	Oct 27 2007, 09:47 PM
McLovesIt! Posts: 151 Group: .Grey Girls. Member #249 Joined: April 11, 2007	Jenna's Locker: :wub: :P :ph43r: B) :huh: :D :lol: :wub: Stuck on the door (along with pictures of certain doctors...)...... "At the end of the day faith is a funny thing. It turns up when you don't really expect it. It's like one day you realize that the fairy tale may be slightly different than you dreamed. The castle, well, it may not be a castle. And it's not so important happy ever after, just that its happy right now. See once in a while, once in a blue moon, people will surprise you , and once in a while people may even take your breath away. " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\| \|\| \|......Positive energy..\| \|\|'\|";, ___. \|_..._..._______===\|=\|\|_\|__\|..., ] - "(@)'(@)"" "''"\|(@)(@)*''(@) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\| \|\| \|.BRIGHT N SHINY.\| \|\|'\|";, ____ \|_..._..._______===\|=\|\|_\|__\|..., ] - "(@)'(@)"" "''"\|(@)(@)****''(@) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17 Oct 2007 Okay, as I am the Queen of procrastination, I felt the need to clarify something...that something being my Cris/Mer views...B) Yes, I love Cristina as a character, yes, I think Derek possibly over-reacted in that sneak peek (although really I'm reserving judgement until I've seen the episode to put it in context.) I stand by what I have said on this so far.... BUT - I do agree that Meredith often puts Cristina first, which hinders her relationship with Derek. I don't, however, think that this is a problem, or a fault of Cristina's. That lies squarely with Meredith, which is why I leap to Cris' defence so easily. stickingouttongue Often people don't like Cristina based mainly on her 'being a problem for MerDer.' I just don't see how it is her fault that Mer tends to put her first. I love Meredith. She is most definitely my favorite character, so I'm not trying to put her down in any way. I love her, really I do. But the poor girl has issues...lol. She just needs to learn to fully trust people other than Cristina. (Although I get why she doesn't) Cristina is the safe option for her. But Mer needs to learn to give that same level of commitment to Derek. She needs to open herself up to Derek too. She can have both, she just needs to seperate them out a bit more. I also think that if Cristina accepted Derek then it would make things better for MerDer. Cris seems to still be pissed at him for what he did in season 2, and she needs to deal with that. It seems to me that in Cris' mind perhaps she is being supportive of Mer by disliking Derek, but really the opposite is true. She needs to accept that Derek loves Meredith, and vice versa. Derek and Cristina need to stop blaming each other for things and to try to at least be civil. (Cris for who knows what, and Derek for Cris being close to Mer) So, basically, the possible spoilers we heard about Derek and Cristina starting to get on (from the FutureGreysWriter thread) make me happy, and points to good things for MerDer too. (Assuming they are true...lol) Anyway, I'm done now. Sorry for the ramble. I just didn't want people to think that I think Cristina is perfect. She's not. None of them are. (Hence Shonda's 'flawed people' theme...) But she has her good points (imo). Oh, and one thing I do wish.....I wish that she would desist from calling her interns by numbers.....lol. Okay, I'm truly done now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The board let me post!! Jenna throws a party* Well, this is a Derek post. People can love both Derek and Meredith. It doesn't necessarily have to come down to who you love more. They are different characters, and that is how Shonda and Co write....her characters have layers....they are onions!!bigsmile We gradually peel off a little bit at a time, revealing a little bit more about them. Derek, as he stands, is nearly the full onion. We know very little about him, at the moment, besides the fact that he is supposed to be ‘perfect.’ Derek is expected to be McDreamy 24/7. He isn't allowed to have faults or flaws, and that is not Shonda's way. He is McDreamy, but he can't be expected to be McPerfect. As Jasmin said, there are higher expectations. From ep 3.20 on, he became less McDreamy and more human. He showed the struggles he was going through and was condemned for it. Then, he 'made up for it' with his 'you're the love of my life' speech. He needs to be allowed to be an idiot, to make bad decisions, to be human without people leaping on the ‘Derek's a jerk’ train. He needs to be able to have moments where it is all about him. He gets to be a little selfish. It seems everyone but him does. Under his McDreamy persona he is expected to put everyone before himself…effectively become a doormat. It’s driving me nutty, all these higher expectations of him. He physically can’t do it. No-one is perfect, and no one should have to be. His flaws don’t make him less McDreamy, they make him 3 dimensional. They make him a character I am interested in, a character I want to learn more about Derek knows that Thatcher slapped her. He was there. And imo, and I'm going to be shot for this......he did what he should have done. To walk up to a man who just lost his wife, who was obviously completely devastated, who had just lost the woman he loved above all others, the sweetest woman in the world…..to walk up to that man and have it out with him....be they yelling or fighting with him...is just not something I would have wanted to see. In my eyes, that doesn't make him Mer's protector or make him a bigger man. Thatcher is an @ss. Everyone knows that I think he is an @ss. And in this instance, yes, he is a big @ss….but he is an @ss I understand because his world had stopped. If there is one thing I can ‘forgive’ Thatcher for, it is the slap. I hate him for it, heck, I loathe him for it….but I understand how he could get himself to that point 1 second after hearing his wife had died. Derek tried to talk to her after that, he grabbed her and tried to make her listen and she pushed him away. He then turned around, after her rejecting him, and went to her place like he said he would. He showed up. He went from witnessing Mer falling apart and rejecting him to showing up and seeing her drinking and laughing with her friends. He felt left out, shut out after she said she would let him in and he walked away. But she walked away first. He kept to what he said and he showed up. Derek cannot be held responsible for Mer's flaws. Terri’s pearls of wisdom were spot on, imo; ‘no judgements and no excuses.’ These character’s are flawed. They are human. That should be enough for them to do things we don’t always like. This show is like a book. Heck, any show is like a book. Each chapter is not going to go the way the reader wants. There are twists and turns in each chapter to compel the reader to keep reading. To me, Shonda is the author of GA....and a brilliant one at that. She has twists and turns that compel me to keep watching. I'm not going to 'stop reading' because of something that happens that I don't like. Because I started this, and I'm going to finish. it. I love this show, but I love this show for what it is. And it is a drama first and foremost. So there will be dramatic plotlines. But I am watching to the end because honestly, nothing has happened yet that I truly hate. (Well, obviously stuff has, but nothing to make me say...'I give up. This sucks.' I'm in this till the epilogue, so to speak.) I’m in this till the end because to me, the race is just as fun, just as entertaining as the finish line. runs into the bushes and hides ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also thought these little gems might be useful...they also might not....we'll have to see I guess... From the words of Shonda herself, about Meredith and Derek, or relevant things about either of them...taken from blogs and podcasts...anything and everything I could find.... :D 1) 'Derek's a changed man when he meets her for the first time.' 'And this is the “split second”, the moment they meet, that has changed the course of their lives forever.' - Fairly self-explanatory.....:-D And 'changed the course of their lives FOREVER.'....hmmm...... 2) 'I love the moment where Susan says ‘we could be your family,’ and I thought that moment was really sad for Meredith because she can’t see it yet.' - Meredith can't see it YET....she can't see a family yet, but we have the rest of the season to see that relationship develop....Meredith and Lexie....this is exciting, people..! There comes a point when Mer has to learn to let people in...to become vulnerable and to TRUST that people do want to get to know her, to be with her....so Lexie is a positive for MerDer, imo. 3) 'He lays up at night listening to her breath and sort of hoping that she’ll not have get into that situation like again. And its basically his fear that he’s realized that its possible to lose Meredith and that’s now become the most important thing in his life.' - Meredith is the most important thing....which has been proved to us in ep 4.01 and 4.02...because he now gets why she is the way she is...he has finally learned all about the ways of Meredith Grey. 4) 'In the end, he clearly loves Meredith so deeply, he’d rather walk away than risk hurting her again. And Meredith, in turn, loves Derek so much, she does the difficult thing, the brave thing, the honorable thing, and breaks up with Finn, in spite of the fact that she knows Derek won’t be there for her afterward.' - So, they love each other 'deeply' and they love each other 'so much.' Each of them made a sacrifice for the other.....this time, however, imo Derek realises what him walking away will do...how much more damage that will do to Mer's abandonment issues....besides, he really, really doesn't want to walk away...he wants more... 5) 'That’s what it means to be Ham. You just have to commit to something. Whether you want to or not.' 'at the end, he’s where he’s always wanted to be. Pressed up against Meredith. With next to no space between them…' - Derek is Ham. 'Nuff said. 6) ' But as long as Derek is with Meredith, we know she’ll get through.' 7) 'And even though it was a minor fight, it’s very revealing for Meredith. She’s not used to fighting with someone and having them come back.' 'Special English tea is better than meth, and love’s better than special English tea. It may put you through the ringer sometimes, but when it’s good, it’s really really good. Worth coming back to, time and time again. Worth getting hooked on.' - Derek came back. She said it was over and he came back. His 'I'll always show up' speech is coming true...to me, at least. Because he's sticking with it. Mer isn't used to someone coming back to her....so the fact that Derek stuck with it is important. It proves things to her. Important things. And Derek loves her.....it's worth coming back to... 8) 'But they love each other, they really truly love each other and so…how much can they really be broken up?' - More words about their love, this time in season four....:D 9) My own thoughts....in 'Where the Boys are' (3.07) Meredith and Derek were not together. Derek was taking space...and Mark ended up in the bar with Meredith. She went with him....but at the end of 4.02, Mark asks her to get a drink...what is her response? No. She said no. Her and Derek are 'broken up' in her mind, they aren't really together, and she said no. Same situation, or at least a very similar situation...and Mer says no this time. This time, it's all about Derek. And the smiles, ladies, the 'swoon' moment...those smiles say it all. :wub: Just my thoughts for the evening...I was supposed to be writing and I did this instead... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted Nov 2 (4.06) Marlin, I said I would watch and tell you what I thought on the Mer/Cris drama. So, here goes….I still like Cris. To be honest, I had no problem with what she did. I did particularly like when she said........'You know, being aware of your crap and actually overcoming your crap are two very different things.' So, so, so true….Mer has the first part worked out….she realizes the issues are there, now is the time to deal with them. This would be Mer rocketing up the grow-o-meter…..(thanks for that analogy Rachel...stickingouttongue) I actually liked the moment where Cristina says 'I don't know.' Because, in all honesty, I wouldn't want Cris to be making that decision for Mer. I can totally understand why people think she should have told Mer what to do, or told her to tell Derek how she feels. But imo, that decision rest soley with Meredith. There are some things in life that others can't decide for us. This is one of them. Meredith needs to sort out what she wants and decide for herself to open up to Derek. She needs to do it for her, not for Cris. She needs to do it because it is what is right for her, because it is something she wants and needs, not because Cristina told her to. Meredith knows what is right for her… Terri, I liked your take on it. Cristina there as a back-up, going steath...sunglasses I agree with that, and found that really interesting. Cristina is, imo, being there for Mer in a way that Mer will accept. Meredith does not respond well to pressure...in fact, she runs the opposite direction. Which is why I think she needs to make the decision on her own. It's a much healthier way to be, and leads to a much healthier relationship for MerDer. Which is what the majority of us want, so yay! Cris sat on a bed and listened to Meredith give her list of ‘things’….Cris wrote them down and worked out a diagnosis from the text book. Because text books have never failed her…they got her where she wanted to be, and they, in her mind, could help her Meredith. The thing that struck me the most – they were studying psychology. Cristina thinks psych is a bunch of hooey but she did it for Meredith. A good friend listens to a problem. Sometimes listening is all it takes…look how far Mer came on her own…she told Cris her problems, she explained to Cris about the NDE….she explained it, like a trial run, I guess…..which then led to her talking to Derek. Sometimes the act of listening and letting someone work things out in their brain is more helpful… of course, that might be just me….stickingouttongue stickingouttongue Another thing I thought about when I was watching it….Cris is not like Ellis, imo. Sure, in a lot of ways they are similar….that drive to succeed, that strong, independent way about them, their intense love for what they do…..but in other ways, in the ways that matter, Cris is, imo, so very, very different. Would Ellis Grey have sat with Meredith on a bed and let her voices her ‘things’? I’m thinking no, she wouldn’t. Ellis would have told Meredith to get over herself. Ellis Grey would never have been there in the first place. Would Ellis Grey have let Derek say any of what he did to her? Would she have just quietly answered ‘I’m taking care of her.’…..again, I’m thinking that no, she wouldn’t have. Cristina is not perfect…sure, she can be selfish at times, incredibly selfish….heck, who isn’t? No one is unselfish all of the time. Cris isn’t perfect, but imo she also isn’t Ellis. Not in the ways that matter.


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